Circular Reasoning?

Originally posted by Nellinator
The Bible does not contradict itself. You only perceive them as contradictions. However, this is not the place for it. It is being discussed elsewhere, so take it there please.

Samuel 15:2-3
Now go an smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.
Psalm 103:8
The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.

Just one of many.

Originally posted by Nellinator
God's existence is flawless. Ours, however, are not. God knew this would happen, and therefore created a way that we could be brought back to where he intended us to be.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Such has become the topic of this thread.

Samuel 15:2-3
Now go an smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.
Psalm 103:8
The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.

Just one of many.
If god is omniscient and infallible, where we are is where s/he intended us to be, flawed. If not s/he is not infallible (remedying a mistake, alsso removes omniscience). And if so s/he is not infallible (the perfect creates the imperfect). Sort of a balls in a vice grip situation huh?

Originally posted by Nellinator
Not a contradiction. Murder and kill are different. And yes, God is above the Law by necessity as its creator. That is not impossible to figure out. Slow to anger, not impossible to anger. And God shows lots of mercy. You have propbably sinned countless times and yet God still offers you salvation. That is called mercy. Get over it and talk about this elsewhere. We were having a good conversation earlier.

Do as I say, not as I do is the mantra of the hypocrite. And a ruler who does not cede to his own rule of law, and enforces said rules under punishment of torture is referred to as a despot.
What I consider sin, and what you consider sin undoubtedly differ by a great magnitude.
Feel free to direct me to the alternative thread discussing contradictions in the Bible.

Originally posted by Nellinator
The flaws we have are the result of our free will. God knew we would have them. But God also provides a way to break them and be saved. Perfect can create imperfect. That is entirely plausible and God did it.

Originally posted by Nellinator
The Jews are not longer Jesus's chosen people.
Why did Jesus cry out? I don't have a full answer for that. However, Jesus was both man and God and I believe that was the man crying out in his suffering. Remember that Jesus 'emptied' himself before going to the cross. I believe it to be more of an internal conflict than the external conflict that it is often perceived as.
And God's existence is flawless. Ours, however, are not. God knew this would happen, and therefore created a way that we could be brought back to where he intended us to be.

we aren't talking about Jesus' chosen people. We're talking about god's chosen people.

crying out in his suffereing wouldn't be a question directed at god. it would be a "WTF! is wrong with you people! All I did was preach equality and tolerance!"

Unless Jesus emptied himself of the ascribed divinity, then his sacrifice wasn't suitable to fulfill the requirements of the "new conenant"...

Again..if god and Jesus were one and the same, then there's no need to ask oneself a question. The answer would be obvious. since one was asking himself. So, one has wonder why god would present rules that can't be understood by his own creations. And if he does, then he's set them up from teh word go. And if that's the case, we're all screwed. Christians and non-christians alike.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[b]Eye for an eye - Old Testament

Turn the Other Cheek- New Testament

Enough of your assumptions ! [/B]

Originally posted by sonnet
Oh, so you still do not understand or know what you are talking about????

way to be irrelevant!

Originally posted by sonnet
Oh, so you still do not understand or know what you are talking about????

nor do you. Answer the questions posed before you chose to open your face. Way to be irrelevent.

Originally posted by sonnet
Oh, so you still do not understand or know what you are talking about????

Eye for an Eye

Turn the Other Cheek....

Two entirely contradicting philosophies both within the same religious text. If you argue that I do not understand them because I somehow lack the necessary "insight" to understand, then I challenge you to clarify how they are not contradictory.

I live for the motto "Eye for a cheek" 😛

How do you swallow?

Originally posted by Alliance
How do you swallow?

I don't let it get that far.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Not a contradiction. Murder and kill are different. And yes, God is above the Law by necessity as its creator. That is not impossible to figure out. Slow to anger, not impossible to anger. And God shows lots of mercy. You have propbably sinned countless times and yet God still offers you salvation. That is called mercy. Get over it and talk about this elsewhere. We were having a good conversation earlier.
The flaws we have are the result of our free will. God knew we would have them. But God also provides a way to break them and be saved. Perfect can create imperfect. That is entirely plausible and God did it.

Magnificently put. 👆

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Magnificently put. 👆

That's twice you've lied and said you would never again respond to me. And that's twice you've responded to me making your statement lies. Lying liar.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Magnificently put. 👆

THANKS! 😄

I always knew you and I would agree someday!

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Magnificently put. 👆

And "magnificently" misunderstood, apparently.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Not a contradiction. Murder and kill are different. And yes, God is above the Law by necessity as its creator. That is not impossible to figure out. Slow to anger, not impossible to anger. And God shows lots of mercy. You have propbably sinned countless times and yet God still offers you salvation. That is called mercy. Get over it and talk about this elsewhere. We were having a good conversation earlier.
The flaws we have are the result of our free will. God knew we would have them. But God also provides a way to break them and be saved. Perfect can create imperfect. That is entirely plausible and God did it.

Since JIA seemed scared by these questions maybe you would like to have a shot:

1: Is it right for a human to claim to be above man made laws?

2: If that human claims he is beyond crime because he can not be charged with a crime does that mean he is good, no matter what he does?

3: Has God killed?

4: If a human had done what God had done would that human be guilty of murder?

5: If the "I am above the laws" clause was removed would God be sinless?

6: As a human being with supposed free will can you honestly say you have no problem with a God that would never let itself be held accountable for its actions? That its laws aren't good enough to bind it as well?

It is, I feel, the height of horror when such lines appear: "And yes, God is above the Law by necessity as its creator." That is the kind of logic that kings and Emperors worked on. They claimed to be above the laws they supposedly represented. Laws were for the lessors, not for the "creators."

Is that right in your view? Do you truly mean to say you have no problem with the idea of a God who has admitted to being subject to poor emotions like jealousy and who has killed on a massive scale claiming to be sinless? Is it right he will never be reviewed for this? Power corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely. I find it so lamentable there are people who are prepared to accept claims of "I am above the law" so easily. No wonder the acts of tyrants could go unchallenged.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
1: Is it right for a human to claim to be above man made laws?

Isn't this a scary concept ✅

Too bad its been present throught history.

Originally posted by Alliance
Isn't this a scary concept ✅

Too bad its been present throught history.

I think it is quite terrifying. Laws a rarely perfect, but I am a big believer in the rule of law being applied to everyone from the highest and richest to the lowest (ironically the highest and richest can at the same time be the lowest in my view sometimes.)

😂 well thats personal isn't it.

Originally posted by Alliance
😂 well thats personal isn't it.

Yes, yes it is.

I think that it would be only right if God gets to judge us he to should be judged by his creation. I think he has a lot to answer for, and the whole "but I am beyond such things" is an extremely weak defense.