Ion vs Phoenix

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Seriously take the record out of the player. Once again that scan has little to no relevance.

If you will not except On Panel artistic representation of the factual statements made by characters and Writers alike,

What's the point of debating with you?

All gs has is the "orphan universe" supposedly materializing in her hands.

I still say it's just a visualization of the universe, within it she sees her timeline which are the events of Here Comes Tomorrow.

The other "wow" Feat, is the Lattice repair.

I already displayed conclusively On Panel that she COULDN'T do it Alone,

and that it's NOT EVEN Phoenix that Contains/Neutralizes the POWER of the N-Galaxy, but "a Network of interlocking Stasis Fields NEUTRALIZES the power of the N-Galaxy"

Bottomline:

Had the X-Men not been there, This Feat would NOT exist.

"For ALL Her awesome Power, She CAN'T DO IT ALONE"

ALL the X-Men gave their LIFE-FORCE to help REPAIR the Lattice.

Phoenix was defeated in the following methods,

1. Being stabbed by Wolverine in Exiles.
2. Being shot by alien defenses on the moon.
3. Being shot by a beam from a Shi-ar warship.
4. Having a stroke thanks to Xorn.

None of which would harm Ion or Galactus.

If you need to express your love for GS then find a way that doesn't fly in the face of over 20 years of comics history.

Originally posted by Ext@nt

If you need to express your love for GS then find a way that doesn't fly in the face of over 20 years of comics history.

Why is that you find it necessity to write such garbage ?

Becuase you ignore logic and facts from the comics and seem to follow GS around like a loyal lapdog.

The facts stand, Phoenix can be beaten and killed by methods that Galactus and Ion cannot.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
If you need to express your love for GS then find a way that doesn't fly in the face of over 20 years of comics history.

Forget this guy X.

He's not debating, he's just...there.

Insulting any who proves with evidence that Phoenix ain't shit....

The Force may play an important role as all other Abstracts do, but in the Power output department, the PF is a joke in comparison with IG, LT, Pre-retcon Beyonder, Wanda from HOM, the Infinites, Abraxas and on and on.

Originally posted by Mr Master
If you will not except On Panel artistic representation of the factual statements made by characters and Writers alike,

What's the point of debating with you?

As i hae stated on various occasions that scan is ambiguous as to the exact role the X-men had in helping the Phoenix. The evidence is hardly in the same context as :

'On Panel artistic representation of the factual statements'

And as G.S. has already stated there combined energies would be astronomically small in comparison, to something as universal as the M'krann crystal. Hence my hypothesis that their role was more of a mental boost than a physical one. As stated previously, Claremont's clearly making a poor attempt to convey the power of 'team work'. I refuse to write this again so please, please, please take heed.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Becuase you ignore logic and facts from the comics and seem to follow GS around like a loyal lapdog.

The facts stand, Phoenix can be beaten and killed by methods that Galactus and Ion cannot.

A loyal lapdog ? 🤨

I wonder how many times you've written that, b4 ? G.S. and many of the Older school members would find it simply hilarious that you think Im a G.S. lapdog. 😆 😆

This post comes to mind !

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thank you, thank you!!

Its refreshing to have someone intelligent to concerse with on these forums. While we dont always agree, there was no doubting your intelligence.

If i tried to spring that team ethic thing on these lot i wouldve been accused of making excuses for Phoenix need for help and labelled a fanboy ❌

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
As i hae stated on various occasions that scan is ambiguous as to the exact role the X-men had in helping the Phoenix. The evidence is hardly in the same context as :

'On Panel artistic representation of the factual statements'

My point has just been proven.

The WRITER, Clearly WRITES:

"For ALL Her awesome Power, She CAN'T DO IT ALONE"

"the SPIRITS of the X-Men ARE WITH Her"

But you want me to take into consideration your pure speculation on the matter.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
And as G.S. has already stated there combined energies would be astronomically small in comparison, to something as universal as the M'krann crystal.

Ha.

What makes you think Phoenix is so much bigger.

Phoenix would DIE just as fast at the hands of the Neutron Galaxy as the X-Men would.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Hence my hypothesis that their role was more of a mental boost than a physical one. As stated previously, Claremont's clearly making a poor attempt to convey the power of 'team work'.

As stated before, I will NEVER take your pure speculation OVER the freakin WRITER'S FACT. Not now Not ever.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Ha.

What makes you think Phoenix is so much bigger.

Ohhh i don't know .... maybe the fact that she's a cosmic entity and they are .... well the X-men 🙄

Infact the quote itself clearly states this

'For all her awesome power' I think that makes it pretty obvious whose doing the 'lions share' of the work.

Originally posted by Mr Master

As stated before, I will NEVER take your pure speculation OVER the freakin WRITER'S FACT. Not now Not ever.

Have you not noticed that the writer doesn't contradict my speculation at all ! Oh yeah i forgot you're are not familiar with eqoucial language. Everything is alway literal, and subtlety doesn't exits.😖hifty:

Because you blindly follow someone whos been proven wrong many times.

Phoenix can be killed by things that cannot kill Ion or Galactus.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Because you blindly follow someone whos been proven wrong many times.

Phoenix can be killed by things that cannot kill Ion or Galactus.

No you are a Wannabe Cowboy who thinks they will gain notice by jumping on the trying to bash G.S. band waggon. Sorry mate, its a bumpy road, that only non remedials can take. Might aswell sell youre ticket to some one else.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Ohhh i don't know .... maybe the fact that she's a cosmic entity and they are .... well the X-men

You mean this Cosmic deity:

Xorn, KILLING Jean Grey the White PHOENIX of the Crown with an Electromagnetic Pulse

Ohhh now you know.

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Infact the quote itself clearly states this

'For all her awesome power' I think that makes it pretty obvious whose doing the 'lions share' of the work.

Let's completely overlook:

"For ALL Her awesome Power, She CAN'T DO IT ALONE"

ALL the X-Men gave their LIFE-FORCE to help REPAIR the Lattice.

The BOTTOM LINE Once Again:

With OUT the X-Men, this feat would NOT exist.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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Let's completely overlook:

"For ALL Her awesome Power, She CAN'T DO IT ALONE"

ALL the X-Men gave their LIFE-FORCE to help REPAIR the Lattice. [/B]

Good debating Skills, twisting my words to allow you make a you're tiredly reiterated point. 🙄 I take it you where raised by football hooligans or Gypsy's ? Or are you so narrow minded you cannot conceive the point that Phoenix is clearly doing an Astronomical amount of the work. Lifting 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 % of a planet, may not be as impressive as lifting it, in its entirety. But its still dam mm impressive ! 😉 🙄

You still haven't addressed the fact that shes been killed by such mundane methods in the past which couldn't harm Ion or Galactus. Guess you dont have an awnser for it huh?

Originally posted by Ext@nt
You still haven't addressed the fact that shes been killed by such mundane methods in the past which couldn't harm Ion or Galactus. Guess you don't have an awnser for it huh?

OK as i stated clearly b4, the power of the phoenix fluctuates greatly and Im not entirely sure why. The phoenix depicted by Morison and in End song would have Little to no chance against Hal, but the one shown residing over the superposed Deity's of the marvel universe, and T.K. repairing a universe in its entirety, is clearly more powerful. Do not demand the scans again, because i don't have them !

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
OK as i stated clearly b4, the power of the phoenix fluctuates greatly and Im not entirely sure why. The phoenix depicted by Morison and in End song would have Little to no chance against Hal, but the one shown residing over the superposed Deity's of the marvel universe, and T.K. repairing a universe in its entirety, is clearly more powerful. Do not demand the scans again, because i don't have them !

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
The fact is no matter What you say she was killed by Magneto

Boring, i have debated over this fact for nealy over a year now. Its was Whirly and I who started the whole 'jgggg' incident in the first place. :yawns:

Do you not get that it is possible for large power to reside in a fragile being? Look at Alex luthor, had immense power and got killed by the joker!

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
you cannot conceive the point that Phoenix is clearly doing an Astronomical amount of the work. Lifting 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 % of a planet

That's your fantasy, made up in your head, Not On Panel.

When Phoenix attempted to repair the Lattice alone she was nearly Absorbed, yes like in erased.

The rest of the X-Men were just as vital to the operation as she was.

Xavier its Crown and Colossus its Base.

EACH X-Man has a Place, EACH a purpose Greater than himself or herself.

Do your own research and stop believing the hype that was made and now destroyed.