Its surprising to me how Supreme being claims to know all about me and yet conveniently (in the middle of a debate) has just registered today. 😖hifty:
Can anyone say sock? 😕
There seems to be alot of that going around these Phoenixes debates and they all say the same thing in the same way and suspiciously when MrMasters never around. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Juntais case ignores Hals comments about how he achieved EVERYTHING. That cannot be done. Juntais case is supported by comments such as Hal created this, Hal created that and artistic depiction of these creations flowing from his hand. That isnt good enough.You cannot be selective in what you choose to acknowledge. All of the things Hal created can be done through time manipulation. Hal said he achieved everything through chronal energies and therefore time manipulation. Juntai disagrees as it lessens the level of the feat. TOUGH SH*T lol
My case isnt disputed by any of Juntais scans or quotes they all can be achieved via time manipulation, therefore my case accomodates everything. Juntais interpretation disputes Hals comments about how he was achieving everything (chronal energy). You cannot dispute characters statements because they dont coincide with your personal vision of said character. 👇
MrMaster is bringing nothing new to the table. As has been mentioned in this very thread all of his points have been previously dealt. He just has a habit of ignoring counters and continually reposting his vanquished argument regardless. Considering how long you've been around on these forums, its surprising how easily youre subscribing to ill informed arguments. ❌
I dont know anymore ,you left me out on a bit of a limb last nite .... Im not entirely sure about those X-men forever scans, after reading them again. Its doesn't look like the Abstracts are bowing down to Jean but a weird omega point human !
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Originally posted by x_danny_x
Man Galactic Storm add it again. Another thread jijack with his bullsh!t talking. I hope all you realize he is just doing it for the sake of arguing and nothing more. He is just trolling for the heck of it and loves new @ssholes to be ripped open all over his body.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
For cryin out loud Phoenix has never done anything on panel that would prove that she is above parallax she didn't create a universe neither destroyed one
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
For cryin out loud Phoenix has never done anything on panel that would prove that she is above parallax she didn't create a universe neither destroyed one
A Phoenix avatar manipulated the entire 616 universe at the atomic level, she materialized it in the palm of her hand within the white hot room.
Its safe to say that with matter at hand Jean Grey could form a universe.
Its like a telekinetic breaking down the matter of a house from one location and then reforming it intact in another and then arguing that that telekinetic has never destroyed or made a house on panel therefore she coouldnt. 🤨 😂
Get with it Jugg 😆
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I dont know anymore ,you left me out on a bit of a limb last nite .... Im not entirely sure about those X-men forever scans, after reading them again. Its doesn't look like the Abstracts are bowing down to Jean but a weird omega point human !
Basically, X-men forever says that each creation cycle beings evolve with the genetic potential to instigate the end. These beings evolve beyond the abstracts and LT and survive into the next creation as their replacements. This is a process powered by the Phoenix Force. Hence the central image of Phoenix in that scan. Without the Phoenixes involvement the process wouldnt occur
The Stranger having learned of this process sought to take advantage of it and bend it to his will ensuring he was the only survivor in the new reality, the unchallenged survivor and therefore supreme as it were.
The Phoenix is the one that brings about the end, but not until these beings have evolved to take their place in the new universe that Phoenix gives rise to.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
come on Phoenix is not even eternity level
Phoenix isnt even Eternity level yet a Phoenix avatar casually put Eternity on its death bed by cutting away the future?
Not even Eternity level and yet an avatar materialized the universe within her had atom by atom? The UNIVERSE. What are you not getting?
That conclusively puts the White Crown Phoenix beyond anything universal level.
Originally posted by GalacticStormThe problem is that, he never said he 'achieved everything' with chronal energy. He just commented on having enough chronal energy to do whatever he wants. However, we know he's working with vastly more than that. He had the entire OA battery and the some. Chronal energy isn't the only energy mentioned of Hal using either. It's just one your focused on. Because a random quote is the only thing you've got to try to be dragging the character down.
Juntais case ignores Hals comments about how he achieved EVERYTHING. That cannot be done. Juntais case is supported by comments such as Hal created this, Hal created that and artistic depiction of these creations flowing from his hand. That isnt good enough.You cannot be selective in what you choose to acknowledge. All of the things Hal created can be done through time manipulation. Hal said he achieved everything through chronal energies and therefore time manipulation. Juntai disagrees as it lessens the level of the feat. TOUGH SH*T lol
My case isnt disputed by any of Juntais scans or quotes they all can be achieved via time manipulation, therefore my case accomodates everything. Juntais interpretation disputes Hals comments about how he was achieving everything (chronal energy). You cannot dispute characters statements because they dont coincide with your personal vision of said character. 👇
The depictions, the quotes, everything has Hal creating, and NOT IN ONE PLACE does it mention it just being time manipulation. Or controlling of the 'creation event' as you're suggesting. Quit reaching already. The entire comic disagrees with what you're bringing to table. It doesn't describe life just coming into being. No. Hal specifically CREATES IT. Ray describes Hal as having CREATED LIGHT. Hal describes having CREATED the plamsa energy universe. He compared what he was doing to willing his city back from nothingness with pure willpower.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Parallax wanted to create multiple universes how could he do it with only time manipulation?
He may have wanted to but theres nothing saying that he actually could have. Character comments without actual feats verifying them are empty and not conclusive evidence. Could be bravado for all we know.
That aside youre forgetting that Parallax was making use of the weakpoints in time/space left over by the Crisis. There was a time when there was a multiverse in DC so whose to say he cant rewind time to when that was the case?
Alpha Centurion:"Impressive we are witnessing the birth of a new existense!"
Guy Gardner:"Yeah but I still think it is too much"
Parallax:"Guy--I can bring back most everyone who died--Kilowog--The Corps--EVEN MORE and WHY STOP THERE? WHY NOT TWO EARTHS one for us--and one for the JSA Where they can stay eternally young!"
Originally posted by Juntai
The problem is that, he never said he 'achieved everything' with chronal energy. He just commented on having enough chronal energy to do whatever he wants. However, we know he's working with vastly more than that. He had the entire OA battery and the some. Chronal energy isn't the only energy mentioned of Hal using either. It's just one your focused on. Because a random quote is the only thing you've got to try to be dragging the character down.The depictions, the quotes, everything has Hal creating, and NOT IN ONE PLACE does it mention it just being time manipulation. Or controlling of the 'creation event' as you're suggesting. Quit reaching already. The entire comic disagrees with what you're bringing to table. It doesn't describe life just coming into being. No. Hal specifically CREATES IT. Ray describes Hal as having CREATED LIGHT. Hal describes having CREATED the plamsa energy universe. He compared what he was doing to willing his city back from nothingness with pure willpower.
The heroes query whether Hal has the power to pull his proposals (the creation of a new universe) off,
Hal claims theres a problem with reality that needs fixing, he says the solution is new galaxies, new worlds
He tells them to watch as the plasma slowly forms life
The heroes question if he can really create life
He THEN says he's controlling enough CHRONAL energy to do whatever he wants, plus he has knowledge from the guardians to help him create a universe.
The feat youre heralding is his ability to create a universe, when asked if he can truly go about doing this he marks out the CHRONAL energy as the power that will make that possible.
Time manipulation? ✅
If you bring something about, you create it. Comments pertaining to Hal having created something are insufficient. Everything has been wiped out, so if Hal is manipulating time to bring them about again then he IS creating them. Just not in the way you want it to be. However given the importance Hal places on chronal energies to achieve these things, im sorry but thats irrelevant.
Originally posted by galan7777777
correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the Phoenix responsible for galactus ever achieving his current power?
Not only did an avatar save Galens life in the last universe enabling him to become Galactus, but Galen was transformed into Galactus by the energies of the Big Bang, by the Phoenix Force.
Originally posted by GalacticStormthats what i thought, i know it dosent pertain to the debate at hand, but i was just curious 😉
Not only did an avatar save Galens life in the last universe enabling him to become Galactus, but Galen was transformed into Galactus by the energies of the Big Bang, by the Phoenix Force.
Originally posted by galan7777777
correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the Phoenix responsible for galactus ever achieving his current power?
WTF I think you need to repharase your question dear friend the phoenix in no way has any influence on galactus power nor was she responsible for it, in fact i believe a no pis full power galactus will rip her a new one.
Originally posted by Supreme beingdont get cocky, read the above posts.... that question was addressed
WTF I think you need to repharase your question dear friend the phoenix in no way has any influence on galactus power nor was she responsible for it, in fact i believe a no pis full power galactus will rip her a new one.
