what's so confusing? i already stated that i'm arguing against extant's weird anti-phoenix obsession. as well as his misinformation, hypocritical name-calling, refusal to counterpoint, etc.
you say "admit" like it pained me. i've known ion was the victor since the beginning, and haven't said otherwise. i just got labeled a fanboy arguing against ion because i didn't blindly agree with mr. master and extant.
Originally posted by manorastromanAnd this really deserves a thread?
what's so confusing? i already stated that i'm arguing against extant's weird anti-phoenix obsession. as well as his misinformation, hypocritical name-calling, refusal to counterpoint, etc.you say "admit" like it pained me. i've known ion was the victor since the beginning, and haven't said otherwise. i just got labeled a fanboy arguing against ion because i didn't blindly agree with mr. master and extant.
Originally posted by manorastroman
and who claimed phoenix force was universal at best?
I would, because it is.
Originally posted by manorastroman
that's patently untrue, seeing as multiple universes can materialize in the white hot room, and be affected by multiple hosts.
When have "multiple universes" EVER materialized in the WHR?
You must of seen Betty Braddock in the WHR looking at all her Alternate Versions and took that for universes.
I won't throw in an irritating smilie, but what you just claimed is patently untrue.
And "be affected by multiple hosts"?
What does this mean?
Originally posted by manorastroman
moreover, there are phoenix hosts in several alternate dimensions.how does that NOT qualify the force as a multiversal entity?
Unless any of those hosts can affect more than one universe simultaneously, it's a Universal power at best.
And if you can provide proof of Jean or any other Avatar displaying Multiversal feats, (which do not exist) I'll agree with you.
I'm not interested in the abilities of the Phoenix Force in it's natural state, that's inconsequential, since the PF in it's natural state can NOT be used in battle.
Originally posted by manorastroman
we'll have to agree to disagree. when i see beyonder not in control, i say he got overpowered. when i see phoenix get killed off-panel by wolverine in an alternate universe, i call it bullshit.[QUOTE=7522644]Originally posted by manorastroman
[B] on another note, i don't understand why official, marvel written bios are so frowned upon.
Because alot of times it does not coincide with whats On Panel.
Originally posted by manorastroman
in alot of ways they're superior to on-panel:
How dare you.
Saying things like this can cast a really ugly shadow on your name.
Originally posted by manorastroman
no writers mucking up consistency and continuity,
That's exactly the Problem with bios.
They don't use Comic book Writers but corporate clowns instead.
Originally posted by manorastroman
up-to-date information, and an idea of powerlevel and purpose
Like Phoenix saving Galactus from the destruction of the prior universe?
(NEVER happened On Panel)
The Sentience of the Universe saved Galactus in ALL Three On Panel depictions
Like the IG's power deriving from the 616 Universe?
(a complete fallacy)
Thanos became the 616 Universe, yet according to these idiots 616 powers the Gauntlet.
Magus controlled THREE Universes simultaneously including 616 with an INCOMPLETE IG.
Like the Thing only being able to lift 85 Tons?
(nonsense)
The Thing went toe to toe with an Elder of the Universe (Champion) hand to hand.
The Thing lasted THREE rounds and lost, but not before breaking some of his ribs.
The Champion was able lift 500 Tons over his head at the time without increasing his strength with his powers.
A few example, but there are so many more.
Originally posted by Supreme being
🙄 You see i tried to drop the logical card on the table and there you go and pull the idiot card, you dont seem to understand the phoenix force role means jack sh.. in the DC universe she didn't start any big bangs or ignite them shes not the primal force of creation there do you now understand.
wow insults how mature,was ion in zero hour NO
is parralax ion NO,is hal jordan kyle rayner NO
i am saying that ion cant beat the phoenix,i did not say parralax
i use logic and that dictates that kyle and hal are two different people
i dont think kyle has the experience to beat the phoenix
i am not insulting anybody or starting an argument
nobody stated what ion,so i am going by his latest incarnation, in issue 5 he balances out his powers and he has overloaded nero
so what feats has he done?did the thread say ion from gl issue's 146-? no it said ion vs phoenix,now in the new ion comic we will see where he goes and what he does,having more power does not mean victory
to me thats all,
i have read zero hour people and ion is not in it,so make a real ion respect thread and keep it with kyle
i am not a phoenix fanboy i like ion better
so repeat away,insult away
Originally posted by Ext@nt
argh, Ion ethier just blasts the Phoenix Avatar to death or creates an entropy rift which erases her. End of story.
The Entropy rift is too much for her, 😂
just a simple blast will do the job.
If an electro magnetic pulse can kill the White Phoenix of the Crown, a blast from Ion would send her realing into next week.
Originally posted by starlock
wow insults how mature,was ion in zero hour NO
is parralax ion NO,is hal jordan kyle rayner NO
i am saying that ion cant beat the phoenix,i did not say parralax
i use logic and that dictates that kyle and hal are two different people
i dont think kyle has the experience to beat the phoenix
i am not insulting anybody or starting an argument
nobody stated what ion,so i am going by his latest incarnation, in issue 5 he balances out his powers and he has overloaded nero
so what feats has he done?did the thread say ion from gl issue's 146-? no it said ion vs phoenix,now in the new ion comic we will see where he goes and what he does,having more power does not mean victory
to me thats all,
i have read zero hour people and ion is not in it,so make a real ion respect thread and keep it with kyle
i am not a phoenix fanboy i like ion better
so repeat away,insult away
Let me dumb this down for you,
Parallax possesed all the power of the Central Battery and the Guardians.
Ion if he chooses, can posses all the power of the Battery and the Guardians.
Having the same power means he can do the same trick and he's seen Hal do it so he knows it.
That mixed wiith the starheart amplifies his powers to an even greater height.
Your little bird gets fried or just erased over and over and over again.