Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Did the Phoenix still have the circuit breakers when she became Dark Phoenix and ate a star?
Yes. The circuit breakers were one of the reasons behind Dark Phoenix. Mastermind awakened a hunger for power within her, however she had the breakers in place cutting off her might so there was an inner struggle between her good side and bad side which made her go insane. With her power cut off the Dark Phoenix persona ate the star as a stop gap measure. It was gradually winning the battle and wouldve eventually won hence the reason why the good Jean persona committed suicide lest the dark side gain access to the full power and destroy everything.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Yes. The circuit breakers were one of the reasons behind Dark Phoenix. Mastermind awakened a hunger for power within her, however she had the breakers in place cutting off her might so there was an inner struggle between her good side and bad side which made her go insane. With her power cut off the Dark Phoenix persona ate the star as a stop gap measure. It was gradually winning the battle and wouldve eventually won hence the reason why the good Jean persona committed suicide lest the dark side gain access to the full power and destroy everything.
I've read it before...just had to refresh my memory...thanks for the tune up...that's where she reduces Mastermind to a pile of...(Insert amoeba adjective in here)
Just to reiterate. The Phoenix Force is the life force of reality, the formless energy that flows through and makes up all that lives. The firebird is NOT the sum total of the Phoenix Force. It is a manifestation of the Force.
A part of the Phoenix Force is still the Phoenix Force hence why the firebird is still the Phoenix Force. (The shard of the Force that caused all of the havok in Endsong was still referred to as the Force for example) However as we've seen in titles like New X-men there is so much more to the Force it simultaneously resides in the White Hot Room where it and its avatars watch over creation.
There can be many of these firebirds running around at any one time, however dont make the mistake of thinking one of these firebirds are the sum total of the Force. They are just manifestations of the life force of any given reality.
It is just a part of it, just like Jean Grey is herself. If the Phoenix manifested in its totality in one single bird form then there would be no life anywhere else.
Originally posted by GalacticStormSorry, the entire story goes against what you're saying here, and besides an offhanded comment of him having chronal energy, there's nothing to support what you're suggesting. I've already pointed it out, and anyone who has read or owns the story can clearly see it depicts him creating a new universe in the palm of his hand, rather than just manipulating time.
Im not twisting on panel evidence in the slightest. Ion says he used chronal energy to do everything. He states that on panel therefore we know everything he did involved time manipulation. Thats all 😉
The Ray says "I'll absorb the LIGHT he's created!". Hal Jordan was he who "Let there be light" in his new universe. He created the planets and the life. All of this is identified on panel. By the time Spectre shows up, his universe is still in a plasma energy form, waiting to solidify and become the new reality, as Waverider indentifies. Which Hal himself created, as seen on panel, in the first pages of the final issue of Zero Hour.
The entire context of the story, the quotes, the pictures, it all goes against what you're saying here. How many times must it be pointed out?