Ion vs Phoenix

Originally posted by Juntai
It shows him building the universe in his hands piece by piece, starting with a blank page, and the energy forms into his hands... it gets bigger every panel through the comic...He compares what he's doing in creating a new universe, to him starting to rebuild coast city - which he simply willed to appear as a GL. In the scan you showed, it had already escalated to across the backdrop of the entire page.

It describes him creating globules of energy that would be the planets of a new universe, where he creates all the life. And had he not been stopped, a multiverse. As he mentions "Maybe one universe won't be enough" and later mentions making another one for the JSA, where he make them eternally young.

Across the entire comic they mention him" "creating a new universe" or "witnessing the birth of a new universe".

I'm not getting where you see that as just time manipulation.

He was just one Wrath of God shy of being the creator.

Originally posted by Juntai
I dunno, you can interpret whatever you want about him having chronal energy as whatever, he had the entire OA Battery and the energy from dawn of time where they fought the anti-monitor-- He has the powers of a GL towards infinity and then some.

The words and likewise the pictures depictions have him creating and forming a new multiverse entirely from nothing in his hands, just as described in my last post. And just as the characters were describing and commenting on.

His energy is forming the universe, he created energy from nothing, and began building a multiverse and created the life therein. He even commented how it was just like him willing Coast City from nothing just on a much larger scale. Seems pretty godlike.

What I'm saying isn't 'up to interpretation', I'm simply saying what happened in the comic, the quotes from it, and the describing the pictures there-in.

You're just reaching on a comment of him having chronal energy.

Likewise it doesn't mention anywhere that he's simply messing with time, but instead creating a universe, the light, the life, and everything, from nothing.

Later on Waverider says Hal is using plasma energy to create the new universe. Got a conspiracy theory on that one too?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If you know nothng about the Phoenix besides hearsay then yes you could be excused for thinking so.

Actually read up on the Phoenix and you'll see there are circumstances behind the events in these scans.

These very carefully selected scans which conveniently give no background info.

Thankfully im around to do just that. 😱

Good day to you. 😮‍💨

You are more than welcome to fight the good fight my friend.

And, yes...luckily you are around to entertain us... but will you have a convincing argument to back up your claims?

Currently I don't see anything on your behalf that disproves his claims, but I'm sure you are working on that. Correct?

Till then, I'll lurk around and see what evidence is brought up on both sides.

Toodles!

😱

BTW Phoenix hasn't done anything on panel that should be compared to Zero-hour Parallax's feats

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
BTW Phoenix hasn't done anything on panel that should be compared to Zero-hour Parallax's feats

THANK YOU!!! its about time someone said it! I salute you sir.

Originally posted by Juntai
Sorry, the entire story goes against what you're saying here, and besides an offhanded comment of him having chronal energy, there's nothing to support what you're suggesting. I've already pointed it out, and anyone who has read or owns the story can clearly see it depicts him creating a new universe in the palm of his hand, rather than just manipulating time.

The Ray says "I'll absorb the LIGHT he's created!". Hal Jordan was he who "Let there be light" in his new universe. He created the planets and the life. All of this is identified on panel. By the time Spectre shows up, his universe is still in a plasma energy form, waiting to solidify and become the new reality, as Waverider indentifies. Which Hal himself created, as seen on panel, in the first pages of the final issue of Zero Hour.

The entire context of the story, the quotes, the pictures, it all goes against what you're saying here. How many times must it be pointed out?

And yet all of that CAN be achieved via time manipulation. Therefore if he states that thats how he DID achieve EVERYTHING then unless your word determines DC canon you simply cannot argue against that. Simple as.

All of the comments you've posted all of the artistic depiction you've referred to is possible via Time manipulation. Its simply a case of replaying events from the timeline and as tailoring certain events so that the outcomes in line with his vision.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You are more than welcome to fight the good fight my friend.

And, yes...luckily you are around to entertain us... but will you have a convincing argument to back up your claims?

Currently I don't see anything on your behalf that disproves his claims, but I'm sure you are working on that. Correct?

Till then, I'll lurk around and see what evidence is brought up on both sides.

Toodles!

😱

Whose claims are you referring to? Mr M's or J's?

MrM's are conclusively wrong and are in opposition to can, anyone who takes the time out to actually research the character will quickly found that. You not being one of those people were easily deluded. No worries youre a DC boy, i wouldnt expect you to know. 🙂

As for Juntais claims, he makes a good case and this guy i actually respect, he is a true debator (unlike the other one 😖hifty: ), however his interpretation doesnt acknowledge Parallaxes comments regarding how he achieved EVERYTHING. Im taking that fundamental statement and interpreting everything he done on panel with that statement in mind.

Hows that for you Avvy? 😕

Comprehensive enough? I can break it down? 😕

Its been a while, but as always, a pleasure. 😱

-GS

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
BTW Phoenix hasn't done anything on panel that should be compared to Zero-hour Parallax's feats

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
BTW Phoenix hasn't done anything on panel that should be compared to Zero-hour Parallax's feats

His feat was to set in motion the wiping out of everything along the DC universe timeline. His power proved to be the catalyst for that outcome, he applied his power to the end of time where the end meets the beginning, putting pressure on this loop.

Its like removing the keystone from a building causing the entire structure to come toppling down, killing everyone within. Did you physically punch down the structure and destroy everything within the building or did your actions merely set that outcome in motion? 😕

See my point?

Cool 😄

He never actually wiped out everything himself. Thats not as impressive as a number of Phoenixes feats. ✅

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Btw How could someone create a new universe with time manipulation? Cause he wasn't re-creating the old one he was creating a new one

He could have rewound the creation event (The Big Bang) and then altered certain events along the timeline (such as Coast City, the destruction of Krypton etc) so that he could have a new universe tailored to his liking. Hal even says that its his desire to bring back Coast City and he even offers to introduce a reality where such instances were averted.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
His feat was to set in motion the wiping out of everything along the DC universe Time line. His power proved to be the catalyst for that outcome, he applied his power to the end of time where the end meets the beginning, putting pressure on this loop.

Its like removing the keystone from a building causing the entire structure to come toppling down, killing everyone within. Did you physically punch down the structure and destroy everything within the building or did your actions merely set that outcome in motion? 😕

See my point?

Cool 😄

He never actually wiped out everything himself. Thats not as impressive as a number of Phoenixes feats. ✅

I agree, Extant was also needed to remove all the historic events from the Time line, and changing continuity is hardly difficult in the D.C. universe, usually all you need to do is punch a wall with a little strength. 🙄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
His feat was to set in motion the wiping out of everything along the DC universe timeline. His power proved to be the catalyst for that outcome, he applied his power to the end of time where the end meets the beginning, putting pressure on this loop.

Its like removing the keystone from a building causing the entire structure to come toppling down, killing everyone within. Did you physically punch down the structure and destroy everything within the building or did your actions merely set that outcome in motion? 😕

See my point?

Cool 😄

He never actually wiped out everything himself. Thats not as impressive as a number of Phoenixes feats. ✅

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Ok then show me a Phoenix feat above that

Im waiting

Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
I agree, Extant was also needed to remove all the historic events from the Time line, and changing continuity is hardly difficult in the D.C. universe, usually all you need to do is punch a wall with a little strength. 🙄

✅ Precisely

People here are simply ignoring Parallaxes crucial comment because it doesnt coincide with their fantasises about their fave character. We're hear to debate and learn the truth not promote lies. ❌

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Ok then show me a Phoenix feat above that

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
✅ Precisely

People here are simply ignoring Parallaxes crucial comment because it doesnt coincide with their fantasises about their fave character. We're hear to debate and learn the truth not promote lies. ❌

Pharallax was easillyb beaten by Spectre, acting on hois own accord, and although he's powerful he' yet to show he can T.K. controll an entire universe.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Im waiting

Dont get cocky. 😉 I was posting in another thread.

Sorry to break it to you but I really dont live to converse with you 🙁

Ive stated a number of feats greater than Parallax exploiting a vulnerablility in the timeline with what power he does have and letting the ensuing conflagration do the work for him 🙂

Phoenix has telekinetically materialized the 616 universe into the white hot room atom by atom. That feat in itself sh*ts on manipulating the timeline of a reality.

Phoenix put a reality on its death bed by casually cutting off part of its timeline because it was an undesirable future. (I've heard of time manipulation but where have you ever heard or seen a entity actually cut time itself? )

Phoenix contained the multiversal power of the M'kraan crystal

All of those feats are beyond Parallax's.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dont get cocky. 😉 I was posting in another thread.

Sorry to break it to you but I really dont live to converse with you 🙁

Ive stated a number of feats greater than Parallax exploiting a vulnerablility in the timeline with what power he does have and letting the ensuing conflagration do the work for him 🙂

Phoenix has telekinetically materialized the 616 universe into the white hot room atom by atom. That feat in itself sh*ts on manipulating the timeline of a reality.

Phoenix put a reality on its death bed by casually cutting off part of its timeline because it was an undesirable future. (I've heard of time manipulation but where have you ever heard or seen a entity actually cut time itself? )

Phoenix contained the multiversal power of the M'kraan crystal

All of those feats are beyond Parallax's.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix contained the multiversal power of the M'kraan crystal

When the Lattice of the Mkraan Crystal was REPAIRED by Phoenix, she NEEDED the rest of the X-Men to do it

Here Phoenix Tries to FIX the Lattice Alone

"But it's NOWHERE NEAR good enough"

and Phoenix does NOT "contain" the power of the N-Galaxy that does the destroying.

"a Network of interlocking Stasis Fields NEUTRALIZES the power of the N-Galaxy"....she was only able to knit the interlocking Stasis Fields back together

Actually Phoenix was getting ABSORBED by the N-Galaxy

With the Life-Force of ALL the X-Men she Anchors herself to Reality, to avoid being ABSORBED

"the Patterns of her life of the X-Men's LIVES, BECOME ONE with the Lattice"

"For ALL Her awesome Power, She CAN'T DO IT ALONE"

ALL the X-Men gave their LIFE-FORCE to help REPAIR the Lattice.

"The POWER of Her Friends Sing WITHIN Her, as she reenergizes the Lattice"

After the job is done, Even with the HELP of ALL the X-Men, Phoenix FALLS UNCONSCIOUS from Exhaustion