Jehovah, Jesus and Idolatry...

Originally posted by Atlantis001
It does not matter anyway... its just a name. You know... I had to call God something...

Depends.... if the Son of God is ALSO a God, then there is more than one God. I think there are many ways to interpretate the bible, so I don´t see why we can´t use this interpretation.

But, well... it remains the fact that Jesus, and the trinity is still a representation of God, so, they are idolatry.

Atlantis001, Jesus is not a God, He is God. Nowhere in the Bible is Jesus Christ referred to as a God. There is a big difference between referring to Jesus as a God instead of God and God. A God connotes that Jesus is somehow separate from the Godhead. But the Godhead (i.e. the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) are one God. So to call Jesus a God is to demote Him from His eternal status as God. Allah is a god (a false god or idol). Buddha is a god (a false god or idol). Kali is a god (a fasle god or idol). Ra is a god (a false god or idol). But Jesus Christ...He is the eternal, self-existent, everlasting, ever-living, Almighty Son of God. His Name is above every name. As much as it pains me to admit it (just kidding) the Name of Jesus is above my name. The Name of Jesus is above the Name of Allah, Buddha, Kali, Ra and every other false god/idol. At the Name of Jesus every knee will bow. Every knee in Heaven (exempting the Father and Holy Spirit of course), earth, and under the earth (Hell) will bow to the Name of Jesus. Every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. You can bow now or you can bow later. But every knee will one day bow to the Name (i.e. to Jesus Christ Himself) and confess (i.e. say) that Jesus Christ is Lord. If you (not you personally but anyone) does not like Jesus now it is going to be a sad, sad moment for you because you are going to have to bow to the Man that you ridiculed, spurned, rejected, hated, and scorned all of your life. Your tongue will say that Jesus Christ is Lord. I would rather bow and confess now because it will result in eternal life for me. I will spend eternity enjoying the beauty, splendor, and wonders of Heaven. I wil spend eternity learning all of the details and intricacies that I have wondered about life. I will know even as I am known the Bible says.

Oh, I seem to have digressed. The point is that Jesus Christ is God not a God. The indefinite article, "a," does not appear in any Bible passage in terms of Jesus being divine. So we should not use it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, the bible would then be an idol to you.

JIA, I am glad that you don't disagree.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Godhead is not idolatry. Go back and read the Bible to get a clear understanding of what idolatry is. Idolatry is worship of idols (inanimate objects). Idolatry encompasses the worship of any thing or anyone other than God.

I think there are many interpretations to what Idolatry is....

Atlantis001, Jesus is not a God, He is God. Nowhere in the Bible is Jesus Christ referred to as a God. There is a big difference between referring to Jesus as a God instead of God and God. A God connotes that Jesus is somehow separate from the Godhead. But the Godhead (i.e. the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) are one God. So to call Jesus a God is to demote Him from His eternal status as God. Allah is a god (a false god or idol). Buddha is a god (a false god or idol). Kali is a god (a fasle god or idol). Ra is a god (a false god or idol).

The worship of the trinity is idolatry since they are representations(ideas, thoughts or images) of God. Unless you restrict the concept of idolatry only to worship of inanimate objects(I think that is diffcult to do... it can be interpretated in different ways), but then I don´t see why Buddha, Brahma, etc. are idols... they are God, just read anything about buddhism or hinduism...

I think the definition of Idolatry is conveniently unclear so that it is harder to find the paradoxes.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus is not a God, He is God.

Jesus is A god. Pull youur head out of your arse.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
I think there are many interpretations to what Idolatry is....

The worship of the trinity is idolatry since they are representations(ideas, thoughts or images) of God. Unless you restrict the concept of idolatry only to worship of inanimate objects(I think that is diffcult to do... it can be interpretated in different ways), but then I don´t see why Buddha, Brahma, etc. are idols... they are God, just read anything about buddhism or hinduism...

I think the definition of Idolatry is conveniently unclear so that it is harder to find the paradoxes.

I have already showed you what idolatry is. If worshipping the Father and/or Son Jesus was idolatry then Jesus would have been a sinner for permitting others to worship Him. Jesus received worship and forgave sins regularly and yet the Bible states that Jesus never sinned. Therefore, I can safely conclude that the worship of Jesus does not constitute idolatry. I also presume that you did not take my advice to read the Word and to learn what idolatry is as defined in context in the Bible. We derive our understanding of what sin is by the guidelines set forth in God's Word. We do not formulate our own preconceived ideas of what sin is and this includes unscriptural notions of what we think idolatry is. Again, get into the Word to find out what idolatry is. Many (if not all) of the characteristics that are ascribed to God the Father are certainly ascribed to the Son Jesus as well. I just read this morning in the Book of Revelation that Jesus Christ is the Almighty. In the same Book just three chapters later this same description is given of the Father. Is this idolatry? Blasphemy? Certainly not. The Scriptures are abundantly clear in revealing that Jesus Christ is God--God the Son.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I have already showed you what idolatry is. If worshipping the Father and/or Son Jesus was idolatry then Jesus would have been a sinner for permitting others to worship Him. Jesus received worship and forgave sins regularly and yet the Bible states that Jesus never sinned. Therefore, I can safely conclude that the worship of Jesus does not constitute idolatry. I also presume that you did not take my advice to read the Word and to learn what idolatry is as defined in context in the Bible. We derive our understanding of what sin is by the guidelines set forth in God's Word. We do not formulate our own preconceived ideas of what sin is and this includes unscriptural notions of what we think idolatry is. Again, get into the Word to find out what idolatry is. Many (if not all) of the characteristics that are ascribed to God the Father are certainly ascribed to the Son Jesus as well. I just read this morning in the Book of Revelation that Jesus Christ is the Almighty. In the same Book just three chapters later this same description is given of the Father. Is this idolatry? Blasphemy? Certainly not. The Scriptures are abundantly clear in revealing that Jesus Christ is God--God the Son.

You really don't read what other people write.

I wonder if he can read?

Originally posted by Atlantis001
It does not matter anyway... its just a name. You know... I had to call God something...

* i'm afraid, it does matter, my friend... if we consider ourselves to be children of God, then we should NOT call God in His literal name... just like us, we don't call our parents on their first names (except Bart Simpson 😆 ) but we call them "Mom" and "Dad"... and still, the tetragrammaton YHWH cannot be spoken because originally it has no vowels, Christ had taught us the way how to call God...

"Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name."
Matthew 6:9

"Jesus said to her, "Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."
John 20:17

* we should address God as our Father... and "Father" is also one of God's names...

"For thou art our Father, though Abraham does not know us and Israel does not acknowledge us; thou, O LORD, art our Father, our Redeemer from of old is thy name."
Isaiah 63:16

Originally posted by Atlantis001
Depends.... if the Son of God is ALSO a God, then there is more than one God. I think there are many ways to interpretate the bible, so I don´t see why we can´t use this interpretation.

* the Father is God (1) and Christ is a God (2)... They are two different entities...

"I and the Father are one."
John 10:30

* They are two but They are also one...

Originally posted by Atlantis001
But, well... it remains the fact that Jesus, and the trinity is still a representation of God, so, they are idolatry.

* yes, because the doctrine of Trinity is unbiblical... 😉

Idol, n.
1. An image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed.

2. Bible.
a. an image of a deity other than God.
b. the deity itself.

Now, I wait patiently for those to grab the definitions that are not related to religion to claim that Christianity itself is an idol.

1 John 5:7-8
For there are three that bear witness in Heaven: the Father, the Word [i.e. Jesus Christ], and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.

These Three (i.e. these Three Persons) are one (i.e. one God).

WHOA THE SYMBOLISM IS IDOLATRY

Originally posted by Atlantis001
Jehovah is God.

Jesus is the son of God.... but he is worshipped as God and sometimes it is said that he IS God actually.... but at the same time, Jesus is the Son of God.

Jesus is represented differently than Jehovah, they have different names, they are painted diffently in pictures, etc. and Jesus in the bible sometimes refer to God as another being separate from him. That all suggests Jesus and Jehovah are two separate persons.

[B]Question 1 : If there is just one GOD the supreme deity, why there is two different people, Jehovah and Jesus, both described as being GOD the supreme deity ?

Idolatry is defined as worship of an image, idea or object, as opposed to the worship of a supreme being(taken from wikipedia). Now, if GOD the supreme deity is represented in the image of a man know by the name of Jesus.

Question 2 : Isn´t the worship of Jesus... idolatry ? [/B]

Originally posted by sonnet
You do not have a clue, do you. 😆

More then you do.

Originally posted by peejayd
* i'm afraid, it does matter, my friend... if we consider ourselves to be children of God, then we should NOT call God in His literal name... just like us, we don't call our parents on their first names (except Bart Simpson 😆 ) but we call them "Mom" and "Dad"... and still, the tetragrammaton YHWH cannot be spoken because originally it has no vowels, Christ had taught us the way how to call God...

"Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name."
Matthew 6:9

"Jesus said to her, "Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."
John 20:17

* we should address God as our Father... and "Father" is also one of God's names...

"For thou art our Father, though Abraham does not know us and Israel does not acknowledge us; thou, O LORD, art our Father, our Redeemer from of old is thy name."
Isaiah 63:16

* the Father is God (1) and Christ is a God (2)... They are two different entities...

"I and the Father [B]are one."
John 10:30

* They are two but They are also one...
[/B]

The name of God doesn´t matter to the questions I am asking. Call it X if you want !

The thread is about idolatry, not about the how we should call God.

* yes, because the doctrine of Trinity is unbiblical... 😉

Interesting... so you agree that the trinity is idolatry ?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I have already showed you what idolatry is. If worshipping the Father and/or Son Jesus was idolatry then Jesus would have been a sinner for permitting others to worship Him. Jesus received worship and forgave sins regularly and yet the Bible states that Jesus never sinned. Therefore, I can safely conclude that the worship of Jesus does not constitute idolatry. I also presume that you did not take my advice to read the Word and to learn what idolatry is as defined in context in the Bible. We derive our understanding of what sin is by the guidelines set forth in God's Word. We do not formulate our own preconceived ideas of what sin is and this includes unscriptural notions of what we think idolatry is. Again, get into the Word to find out what idolatry is. Many (if not all) of the characteristics that are ascribed to God the Father are certainly ascribed to the Son Jesus as well. I just read this morning in the Book of Revelation that Jesus Christ is the Almighty. In the same Book just three chapters later this same description is given of the Father. Is this idolatry? Blasphemy? Certainly not. The Scriptures are abundantly clear in revealing that Jesus Christ is God--God the Son.

The definition of idolatry is quite unclear, the many different christian factions disagree about it.... some use images and some don´t.... those who don´t use images argue against those who use images.

But if idolatry do only concern inanimate objects... so Buddha, Brahma, Zeus, etc.... are not idols... they are not inanimate objects.

"You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;"

If paintings, statues,... of anything that is in heaven above is idolatry, so the church, or anyone that uses images commits idolatry since they use them...

your sig. will be idolatry since it is a image of the legs of Jesus.

Originally posted by sonnet
You do not have a clue, do you. 😆

Feel free to discuss. 😉

Jesus was only VOTED god. Many denominations know this and only worship the Father but give honey dipped cookies or reverence to the Sun, Oops I mean Son. Though in Genesis it says "lets make man in OUR image"...many take that as being the Trinity, but who is to say? It doesnt say. It could mean a whole pantheon of gods........

Originally posted by Atlantis001
The definition of idolatry is quite unclear, the many different christian factions disagree about it.... some use images and some don´t.... those who don´t use images argue against those who use images.

But if idolatry do only concern inanimate objects... so Buddha, Brahma, Zeus, etc.... are not idols... they are not inanimate objects.

"You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;"

If paintings, statues,... of anything that is in heaven above is idolatry, so the church, or anyone that uses images commits idolatry since they use them...

your sig. will be idolatry since it is a image of the legs of Jesus.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Godhead is not idolatry. Go back and read the Bible to get a clear understanding of what idolatry is. Idolatry is worship of idols (inanimate objects). Idolatry encompasses the worship of any thing or anyone other than God.

In the New Covenant (or New Testament) idolaltry includes anything that we esteem, admire, or value above or more than God.

Here is one of my posts concerning the definition of idolatry.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Here is one of my posts concerning the definition of idolatry.

So if someone does not agree with you, bash them, bash them, bash them. 😆

JIA doesn't talk to me anymore......... 🙁