Jehovah, Jesus and Idolatry...

I was just reading that verse in a search...........LOL

Originally posted by Atlantis001
Heaven can be interpreted in other ways.... I don´t see why heaven in that verse should refer specifically to astronomic objects, even christians disagree in this... some of them use images and others don´t. There is people who interpretate it diffently.

Idolatry is also interpretated by people as the use of images or idols in the worship of God. In someplaces in the hebrew bible, it is said that God has no shape or form, thus no idol, image, idea, or anything comparable to creation could ever capture God's essence.

Deuteronomy 4 : 15-16

"You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman,"

Anyway, as I see its a problem of different interpretations...

Do you know Jesus Christ Atlantis001?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Do you know Jesus Christ Atlantis001?

And I suppose you do ? 😬

Originally posted by debbiejo
Well Paul wrote that so I don't pay much attention to that.

* what? 😕

Originally posted by debbiejo
According to the NT we are graphed into the OLD tree (Jews).......So you should be following EVERYTHING in the OT.

Rom. 11:17-20

17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be [B]grafted in." 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. [/B]

* ahem... it's an epistle of Saint PAUL to the Romans... ahem... 🙄

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Do you know Jesus Christ Atlantis001?

Yes, but of course there are things I don´t know.

And those who think they know Jesus Christ(i. e. christians), they do really know him ? I think there are things that were lost or hidden, that are other interpretations, and a lot of associations and analogies between christianism and the so called "pagan" religions. They are no so different.

Originally posted by peejayd
* what? 😕

* ahem... it's an epistle of Saint PAUL to the Romans... ahem... 🙄

Originally posted by peejayd
* what? 😕

* ahem... it's an epistle of Saint PAUL to the Romans... ahem... 🙄

Then why does Paul condradict so much of Christ?

Why not have Christ write to us instead.

Perhaps Christ was illiterate.

GOD WANTS US TO BE ILLITERATE!

Originally posted by Alliance
Then why does Paul condradict so much of Christ?

Why not have Christ write to us instead.

Perhaps Christ was illiterate.

GOD WANTS US TO BE ILLITERATE!

Why not stop asking idiotic questions.
By the way, Paul does not contradict Christ. If you fully understand the difference between the ministry of Christ and Paul, both annointed by God, then you might let go of that ridiculous notion.

Perhaps my stance is not idiotic in nature?

I thought Christ was the "son" of "god."

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
And I suppose you do ? 😬

Originally posted by Alliance
Perhaps my stance is not idiotic in nature?

I thought Christ was the "son" of "god."

Makes as much sense as Da Rev when he says "Maynard is god".

Originally posted by Alliance
Perhaps my stance is not idiotic in nature?

I thought Christ was the "son" of "god."

My point is, that your narrow interpretation of the world fails.

Originally posted by Alliance
My point is, that your narrow interpretation of the world fails.

Ok. Then can you hurry up an leave this world? If you are only part of the kingdom of god..go there.

"his word will never fail us" 😆 his "word" never did anyhting for you.

Originally posted by sonnet
Actually it is a letter of Paul written to the Christians living in Rome. So it is very much also written to Christians today as are all of his letters to the Christians living in different regions and cities. God used Paul to write to the Christians to give them guidance concerning the will of God on how Christians ( brothers and sisters of the faith) should live and behave.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Actually Sonnet, the letters from Paul go against Jesus and the OT..................who are you following?

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Debbiejoe, who has bewitched you? You continue to spout damnable heresies about the writings of the New Testament calling it the word of Paul instead of Scripture. You are adding to the Scriptures stating that Paul's teachings go against Jesus. Futhermore, you are taking away from Scripture when you state that Paul corrupted the Scriptures. You are going to give account in the day judgment for every idle word that you speak.

Here are your own words:

Originally posted by debbiejo
There are no sins.......And even if there were, what? I'm gonna be saved from an imaginary place??
ps. Hi cking. You sure are quite...

wavey

The Bible states:

John 1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

You say there are no sins, the Bible states that Jesus came to take away the sin of the world. Who is right you or God's Word?

1 John 1:7-8
But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

To deny that sin exists is to be deceived. Debbiejoe are you deceived?

John 8:21
Then Jesus said to them again, “I am going away, and you will seek Me, and will die in your sin. Where I go you cannot come.”

John 8:24
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

Jesus believes that sin/sins exist why don't you?

You constantly spout that Paul's writings contradict Jesus' teachings but yet you fail to furnish any evidence of this. Does the apostle Paul believe in the existence of sin? Let us put the nail in the coffin. The Bible says that in the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established. I have just given you two witnesses: the words of the apostle John and the words of Jesus Christ Himself (that is two witnesses). I have already met the standard for substantiating testimony. But I will yet add the words of Paul himself whom you frequently and falsely accuse go against the teachings of Jesus.

1 Corinthians 15:3
For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,

Three witnesses (the Lord Jesus, the apostle Paul, and the apostle John all declare that sin does in fact exist. You are the only one that denies this fact.

I could enumerate as well as refute every one of your heresies. But why bother, I just wanted to show this one example of your many heresies to exonerate the apostle Paul. I could do this with all of your heresies. But this one speaks volumes in itself and is representative of all of your heresies especially against Paul. This one heresy is false and so it is safe for me to conclude that all of your heresies are false as well. There is nothing more for me to say.

I rest my case against your false allegations against the apostle Paul. I have proven beyond all vestiges of your doubts that Paul's writings and Jesus' statements are in complete accord and cogently consistent with one another.

* mr.alliance, never did Saint Paul contradict Christ, ever...

"If any one thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that what I am writing to you is a command of the Lord."
I Corinthians 14:37

* Saint Paul only writes the commandment of the Lord so there is no contradiction whatsoever... Saint Paul is a great apostle of Christ... and Christ is the greatest apostle...

* and it was Christ who commanded His apostles to write, not Him...

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."
Matthew 28:19-20

* and if you're looking for Christ's writings...

"Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, as some do, letters of recommendation to you, or from you?
You yourselves are our letter of recommendation, written on your hearts, to be known and read by all men;
And you show that [U]you are a letter from Christ delivered by us[/U], written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts."
II Corinthians 3:1-3

* the Christians are the letter or epistle of Christ... the REAL Christians that is... 😉

mr.alliance, never did Saint Paul contradict Christ, ever...

super wrong.