Columbine Rejects God In Favor of Darwin's Theory

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Originally posted by sithsaber408
And that was from the father of a Columbine victim?

Perhaps JIA isn't as "crazy" as you'd like him to be.

Perhaps others (half of this country by most accounts) are conservative in values, and Christian in beliefs.

Perhaps.....

God is REAL.

Hmm... this is the religion forum after all.

If God is real, what then?

Where do all of your arguments go?

So what exactly is your point ?

How are you trying to link Evolution with the Columbine Shootings? Did God punish the school for teaching evolution by sending two "plagues" to shoot the infidels ? Is this another example of God's wrath ? 🙄

Or did Satan plant this evil through the teaching of evolution which somehow evolved into two miserable men killing innocent people ?

Because I happen to recall that the Christian Church's history isn't too clean bro....ALL THEY TAUGHT was creationism and theology, yet the Church is responsible for more tragedies than any other organization combined (look up: Salem Witch Trials, Spanish Inquistion, Crusades, Indulgences, etc.)

*["Listen, I know you're big on your faith, but JIA is beyond rationality, even for most religious people...."]

***Not so. JIA bases his faith SOLELY on the Scriptures...and since you and others on this board believe not the Scriptures...you think his faith is irrational. It is you and others of your persuasion that are irrational for you have no moral compass for your beliefs...and depend on your own "opinions" and "rationalizations" based on your corrupt belief system that has no God...a belief system that elevates MAN to the position of God.

Contrary to what you and the world believes...most "religious" people are NOT Christians...they are "religious" but LOST. What JIA believes is based on the "truth" of the Scriptures and because of this...he is NOT part of the so-called "religious" community of "christians" who do NOT hold to the Scriptures as the SOLE AUTHORITY in things pertaining to God [Jesus Christ]. I, as does JIA, believe that the ONLY revelation of God to mankind is the Scriptures...and they ALONE are the ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY by which we are to believe and live our lives in service and obedience to Him [Jesus Christ our SAVIOUR and GOD].

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*["God is REAL" is not an argument, its is not fact, it is not supported, especially not in a realistic sense."]

***The Scriptures do NOT defend the existence of God...they DECLARE Him: "In the Beginning God..." You are not compelled to believe in Him...that is your choice [albeit the wrong choice]...but because you don't believe He exists is NOT proof that He DOESN'T exist.

We, as Christians, believe that God exists...that He visited man in the person of Jesus Christ [God]...and was "clothed" in flesh and dwelt among us...went to the Cross and SUBSTITUTED Himself on our behalf and took the punishment of our sins upon Himself to REDEEM us from the consequences of those sins in HELL!...and He remembers our sins NO MORE. That is what He did for us...He laid it down...and took it UP AGAIN...and because He did...we who trust in Him will ARISE also to ETERNAL life IN HIM. All others will ARISE...but will ONLY see CONDEMNATION and DEATH without Him.

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
*["Listen, I know you're big on your faith, but JIA is beyond rationality, even for most religious people...."]

***Not so. JIA bases his faith SOLELY on the Scriptures...and since you and others on this board believe not the Scriptures...you think his faith is irrational.

Yes, from the Scriptures, not reality

Originally posted by Marchello
JIA bases his faith SOLELY on the Scriptures...and since you and others on this board believe not the Scriptures...you think his faith is irrational.

Deleting the rest of your post, which is simply preaching and not adding anyhting to the discussion....

If JIA was so correct, the all the evidence in the world should support his Gods existance, and it clearly does not.

There is only ONE thing that supports his god's existance, and that the Scripture, which he blatantly mininterprets to his own ends.

*["...which is simply preaching and not adding anyhting to the discussion..."]

***Not so. The reason that you say it doesn't add anything to the discussion is because you do not want to face the truth...it inflames your "sensibilities"...you do not want to face the fact that you are a sinner...that there is a God that does not look kindly upon sin...and that He requires that all men repent of their sins or face the penalty for them. In your convoluted way of thinking...if you can eliminate God from existence...then you can become the God of your own existence...answerable to no one!

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*["If JIA was so correct, the all the evidence in the world should support his Gods existance, and it clearly does not..."]

***Yes it does...God holds all men responsible for their refusal to acknowledge what He has shown them of Himself in His creation. Even those who have never had an opportunity to hear the Gospel have received a clear witness about the existence and character of God...and have suppressed it. If a person will respond to the revelation he has, even if it is solely a natural revelation, God will provide some means for that person to hear the Gospel.

Man is conscious of God's existence, power, and divine nature through general revelation...but they refuse to acknowledge that every good thing they enjoyed comes fron God. Man's search for meaning and purpose produces only vain, meaningless conclusions. When man rejects the truth, the darkness of spiritual falsehood replaces it [John 3:19,20].

Man rationalizes his sin and proves his utter foolishness by devising and believing his OWN philosophies about God, the universe, and himself [Psalms 14:1;53:1].

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*["There is only ONE thing that supports his god's existance, and that the Scripture, which he blatantly mininterprets to his own ends."]

***You are no expert on the interpretation of Scripture and, therefore, not in a position to make such a statement from a position of certified knowledge. Therefore your pronouncement is purely personal and subjective...not one based on fact...and must be rejected out of hand.

Marchello

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
...JesusIsAlive is a million times preferable to you. At least behind his preaching seems to be a genuine wish to help people.

You on the other hand are hideously judgemental and summery. You belong prosecuting people during Inquisistions:

"You are dead all ready. As the flames consume you I will pray God has mercy on your soul...."

I reject the characterization that you hold of me being a million times preferable to my brother in Christ Marchello. I am on equal footing with my brother in Christ, and I give preference to him.

My brother in Christ has a genuine a desire to help people as I do (if not more so than I), this fact is conspicuously apparent in his posts. I have not found at all, in no way, shape, or form that my brother in Christ is even remotely judgmental. He labors as do I in the face of relentless opposition and biting criticism to convey the message of the gospel out of bona fide concern and love for all on this forum, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. The old divide and conquer strategy (preferring me above my brother in Christ to inspire in me an air of superiority over him) would lead to division among us. But I nip this tactic in the bud, it will not prevail here, and it will proceed no further. For we are one in Christ Jesus. I am no better than my brother in Christ in any respect, again, if anything I give preference to my brother in Christ.

Romans 12:10
Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another;

Originally posted by Marchello
The reason that you say it doesn't add anything to the discussion is because you do not want to face the truth...it inflames your "sensibilities"...you do not want to face the fact that you are a sinner...that there is a God that does not look kindly upon sin...and that He requires that all men repent of their sins or face the penalty for them. In your convoluted way of thinking...if you can eliminate God from existence...then you can become the God of your own existence...answerable to no one!

You're ignorance is continually astounding. I don't care if I sin in your religion. Its YOURS, not mine. Then only thing "inflaming" about your argument is your inability to present one, then you parading it around as if it were factial.

Oh and by the way....I answer to my nation, humankind, and this planet....which is more than I can say for you. You life your life so blinded that you miss everything else about the world.

Originally posted by Marchello
Yes it does.

Great argument. 👇 I can only assume that since you can do nothing but preach, you are incapable of arguing.

You fail to self-analyze. You are darkness. You are the wolf in sheeps clothing, come to destroy religion by making others hate it. Let me tell you. You are vain. You are proud. And you will pay dearly for it. You have been taken by the devil. Turn away from him.

Your god is a creation of man. You worship false gods.

Originally posted by Marchello
You are no expert on the interpretation of Scripture and, therefore, not in a position to make such a statement from a position of certified knowledge. Therefore your pronouncement is purely personal and subjective...not one based on fact...and must be rejected out of hand.

Your argument is based on one heavily altered scripture that is not accepted by all members of your faith. Its not factual, so become as much as an expert on it as you like...it means nothing. You have done nothing but prove my point that NOTHING proclaims gods existance except for your scripture.

I'm not the worlds leading authority on CHirstian mythology, but untill you've read the original transcripts in Greekl, neither are you. And since you're using this argument, I better not hear you make any judgements outside of the scripture, ever, because you are CLEARLY not intelligent enough to judge.

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*["You're ignorance is continually astounding..."]

***There is nothing wrong with being IGNORANT [i.e., lacking knowledge or awareness] about some things...it's not a crime...too, "ignorance" is NOT terminal...However, "stupidity" IS!

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*["...I don't care if I sin in your religion. Its YOURS, not mine. Then only thing "inflaming" about your argument is your inability to present one, then you parading it around as if it were factial..."]

***You are hard of hearing...for I have told you that I have no "religion"...for I worship a "person" [Jesus Christ...God Incarnate]...who came to save me...a "bad guy" [SINNER]...that's NOT "religion." Someone told me about Him years ago...and I accepted Him as my Saviour and God on July 14th, 1996...and He made me a "new creation" IN HIM...and I have NEVER been the SAME since the moment that He became my Lord!!...Blessed is His name.

Your protestations that you "don't care if I sin in your religion" has no relevance to the issue at hand...for your sin is against God and NOT against or in anyone's "religion."

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*["...Oh and by the way....I answer to my nation, humankind, and this planet....which is more than I can say for you..."]

***That is the ROOT of your PROBLEM...you answer to "the creation" of God...and NOT to the "CREATOR" Himself!!! You are an IDOL WORSHIPPER...an IDOLATER!...and here is the description of your behaviour: "...and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an IMAGE made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves. Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and WORSHIPPED and SERVED the CREATURE more than the CREATOR, who is blessed for ever. Amen." [Romans 1:23-25].

You are correct, however, in your assessment that it "is more than I can say for you..." I, indeed, do NOT answer to my nation, humankind...or this planet...all of which are CREATED by God and NOT the CREATOR themselves.

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Worship:
1. reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.
2. formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage: They attended worship this morning.
3. adoring reverence or regard: excessive worship of business success.
4. the object of adoring reverence or regard.
5. (initial capital letter) British. a title of honor used in addressing or mentioning certain magistrates and others of high rank or station (usually prec. by Your, His, or Her).
–verb (used with object)
6. to render religious reverence and homage to.
7. to feel an adoring reverence or regard for (any person or thing).
–verb (used without object)
8. to render religious reverence and homage, as to a deity.
9. to attend services of divine worship.
10. to feel an adoring reverence or regard.

sounds like a religon to me

*["...I can only assume that since you can do nothing but preach, you are incapable of arguing..."]

***When I was in grad school, I had to defend my thesis...and I defended it well and earned my Masters in the process. Your "assumption" is obviously without merit.

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*["...Your argument is based on one heavily altered scripture that is not accepted by all members of your faith. Its not factual, so become as much as an expert on it as you like...it means nothing. You have done nothing but prove my point that NOTHING proclaims gods existance except for your scripture.

I'm not the worlds leading authority on CHirstian mythology, but untill you've read the original transcripts in Greekl, neither are you. And since you're using this argument, I better not hear you make any judgements outside of the scripture, ever, because you are CLEARLY not intelligent enough to judge."]

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Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
***Not so. JIA bases his faith SOLELY on the Scriptures...and since you and others on this board believe not the Scriptures...you think his faith is irrational.

Marchello

And what evidence is there to back up the Scriptures?

Originally posted by Marchello

***Not so. JIA bases his faith SOLELY on the Scriptures...and since you and others on this board believe not the Scriptures...you think his faith is irrational.

I find the scriptures contradictory and irrational...so yes, I will also find his blind Faith in them irrational as well. Especially considering that the Scriptures have no factual basis to them...only declarations.

Originally posted by Marchello
It is you and others of your persuasion that are irrational for you have no moral compass for your beliefs...and depend on your own "opinions" and "rationalizations" based on your corrupt belief system that has no God...a belief system that elevates MAN to the position of God.

Everyone has a morality of thier own, and you should realize that morality is independent of religion or of a deity.

Our beleif system is corrupt? The Christian Church has done more evil throughout history than any other organizations combined.

Bigotry, Close-mindedness, and social stigma happen to be a major result of Christianity today.

Originally posted by Marchello
***The Scriptures do NOT defend the existence of God...they DECLARE Him: "In the Beginning God..." You are not compelled to believe in Him...that is your choice [albeit the wrong choice]...but because you don't believe He exists is NOT proof that He DOESN'T exist.

So what? The Hindu Vedas Books of Wisdom DECLARE KALI as the Mother, as the Goddess of Destruction and Renewal.

The Book of the Dead and the original Book of Life DECLARE Anubis, Isis, Osiris, Set, Amun, and the rest of the Egyptian Pantheon our creators.

There is as much evidense to prove that these Gods exist, as thier is to prove that YOUR God exists....and there is even MORE evidense to argue that God doesn't exist.

Originally posted by Marchello
We, as Christians, believe that God exists...that He visited man in the person of Jesus Christ [God]...and was "clothed" in flesh and dwelt among us...went to the Cross and SUBSTITUTED Himself on our behalf and took the punishment of our sins upon Himself to REDEEM us from the consequences of those sins in HELL!...and He remembers our sins NO MORE. That is what He did for us...He laid it down...and took it UP AGAIN...and because He did...we who trust in Him will ARISE also to ETERNAL life IN HIM. All others will ARISE...but will ONLY see CONDEMNATION and DEATH without Him.

Blah Blah Blah...we know..we know...we're just sick of hearing it already.

Hell doesn't exist. It is a human fabrication, a rip off of Hades, Tarturus, and the Egyptian Underworld, and nothing more. Get over it...

The Concept of "Rapture" has already existed way before Judaism and Christianity had...

Originally posted by Marchello
Marchello

WE already know who you are....no need to repeat your name, especially in effort to "signature" a lousy argument.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I reject the characterization that you hold of me being a million times preferable to my brother in Christ Marchello. I am on equal footing with my brother in Christ, and I give preference to him.

Well that is nice and all, the whole "birds of a feather" - sadly I wasn't asking for your permission to make the comparison. Your style of preaching is preferable to "I don't listen to dead people because they are DEAD and if you don't agree with me you are DEAD."

People like that do more harm then good for your cause.

Contrary to what you and the world believes...most "religious" people are NOT Christians...they are "religious" but LOST. What JIA believes is based on the "truth" of the Scriptures and because of this...he is NOT part of the so-called "religious" community of "christians" who do NOT hold to the Scriptures as the SOLE AUTHORITY in things pertaining to God [Jesus Christ]. I, as does JIA, believe that the ONLY revelation of God to mankind is the Scriptures...and they ALONE are the ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY by which we are to believe and live our lives in service and obedience to Him [Jesus Christ our SAVIOUR and GOD].

😆 😆 😆 Oh dead, you do make me laugh. You aren't following a religion because your God is right? You are following God, not religion? Dear me. Dear, dear me. Maybe you should take your protest up with... theological scholars and historians who spend there lives writing books about Christian religion.

I really don't know what type of glasses you wear to see the world in such a way - but Christianity is a religion. Christians are religious people. All Christians are religious, but not all religious people are Christian.

***The Scriptures do NOT defend the existence of God...they DECLARE Him: "In the Beginning God..." You are not compelled to believe in Him...that is your choice [albeit the wrong choice]...but because you don't believe He exists is NOT proof that He DOESN'T exist.

Who says our lack of belief is why we say God doesn't exist? Did you ever stop to think maybe it is the profound lack of proof God exists that makes us not believe?

Did you ever stop and think maybe it is the fact that numerous parts of the people don't actually work with historically and scientifically verifiable facts why we don't believe?

Did it ever occur to you maybe it is the unpleasant things like anti -homosexuality and the like that the Bible apparently promotes sometimes that turn people away and make us question the claim of a "Good God."

The scripture doesn't defend God... because it CAN'T. One has to have proof to do that. And it, and you, don't. It makes a claim knowing there are going to be people happy to believe regardless of the improbability of the claims. Regardless of the lack of proof.

That is what He did for us...

Correction. That is what you say he did for us. I see no proof of it. And even if he did do it - I resent the raping of my free will in such a fashion. God should not be messing with humanity. It should be our right, nay, our responsibility to deal with a sin. He had no right to take it from us.

I didn't ask Jesus to do this, and nor do I accept he did.

***Not so. The reason that you say it doesn't add anything to the discussion is because you do not want to face the truth...it inflames your "sensibilities"...you do not want to face the fact that you are a sinner...that there is a God that does not look kindly upon sin...and that He requires that all men repent of their sins or face the penalty for them. In your convoluted way of thinking...if you can eliminate God from existence...then you can become the God of your own existence...answerable to no one!

No, I accept the things I do wrong - I learn from them and I live with them. I am not the one who is happy to pass it off to Jesus. To amply a mythic band aid to the souls of man. It is people like you, in your denial - "I believe in Jesus... that makes me good."

It is garbage of the highest decree. Being a Christian no more makes one good then being white. Or rich. Of the member of a club. And all these other ways of social validation died out - I am confident so to will religious superiority - and it will be a good day when it does.

Yes it does...God holds all men responsible for their refusal to acknowledge what He has shown them of Himself in His creation. Even those who have never had an opportunity to hear the Gospel have received a clear witness about the existence and character of God...and have suppressed it. If a person will respond to the revelation he has, even if it is solely a natural revelation, God will provide some means for that person to hear the Gospel.

Oh - how easy to lie when one believe it.

The Aboriginals of Australia - here for 20,000 years or more showed no sign of knowing anything about the Christian God. There religion and culture had nothing in common - how do you explain that? Oh wait, you claim they were shown and merely repressed it. Garbage.

Society after society can be studied and except the ones around the area in the Middle east not a single one supports Jewish claims that would evolve into Christianity. Not a way. To imply that they all knew and merely suppressed it is the biggest load of absurdity I have had the misfortune of hearing today. Face it - they didn't show any knowledge of God because he didn't come to them. Something nonexistent can't.

You are no expert on the interpretation of Scripture and, therefore, not in a position to make such a statement from a position of certified knowledge. Therefore your pronouncement is purely personal and subjective...not one based on fact...and must be rejected out of hand.

And who is an expert of interpreting scripture? Clearly not thousands of scholars who have dedicated their lives to it and whose views are the same as his.

Oh wait - the only people who are right are the ones who agree with you! Yes, it is easy to be sinless when one declares themselves above sin. It is easy to be right when one claims that everyone who disagrees is automatically invalid.

Originally posted by Marchello
***There is nothing wrong with being IGNORANT [i.e., lacking knowledge or awareness] about some things...it's not a crime...too, "ignorance" is NOT terminal...However, "stupidity" IS!

Ignorance is only admirable when one expresses the desire to overcome it. It is in fact stupid to cling to it like a shield - as you do.

You could learn, but no, learning means listening to people that know more then you, whose views differ, who might be right. And such people you consider dead. As such it would appear you intend to remain ignorant, and for stupid reasons.

So I guess your case is terminal. I shall send flowers to the grave of common sense. And I will beseech Ganesh tonight when I go home to clear the obstacles so you may be enlightened. Then I will do the same with Buddha. Would you like that?

***You are hard of hearing...for I have told you that I have no "religion"...for I worship a "person" [Jesus Christ...God Incarnate]...who came to save me...a "bad guy" [SINNER]...that's NOT "religion." Someone told me about Him years ago...and I accepted Him as my Saviour and God on July 14th, 1996...and He made me a "new creation" IN HIM...and I have NEVER been the SAME since the moment that He became my Lord!!...Blessed is His name.

Your protestations that you "don't care if I sin in your religion" has no relevance to the issue at hand...for your sin is against God and NOT against or in anyone's "religion."[/b][/quote]

Pointless - Christianity is a religion. If you are Christian then you are part of a religion. You personally reasons why it is valid are irrelevant.

***That is the ROOT of your PROBLEM...you answer to "the creation" of God...and NOT to the "CREATOR" Himself!!! You are an IDOL WORSHIPPER...an IDOLATER!...and here is the description of your behaviour: "...and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an IMAGE made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves. Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and WORSHIPPED and SERVED the CREATURE more than the CREATOR, who is blessed for ever. Amen." [Romans 1:23-25].

And proud of it. I worship that with worth and that which deserves such praise. Your God is less deserving then many of God's I don't believe in. You are proof that I am doing the right thing. You are testament of the dangers of blindly accepting Christianity. I am glad that I am rational and logical and that I experience the wonders of earth.

I don't believe in your God. Unless you can provide reason why I should, and then reason why he deserves such praise, then I would reconsider- because I am reasonable. Open to the idea I am wrong. Unlike you who is incapable of overcoming you own self righteous certainty.

You are correct, however, in your assessment that it "is more than I can say for you..." I, indeed, do NOT answer to my nation, humankind...or this planet...all of which are CREATED by God and NOT the CREATOR themselves.

Mankind needed God as a comforter in uncertain times. He needed God to explain the unknown world. He made God to add validity to his claims, to his rules, to his reign. We created God - and he has served well. But mankind is still the progenitor, and it is mankind we must deal with and belong to and live as a part of. When reason presents itself to think otherwise then I would. Until that time not a thing appears that even remotely suggests I am wrong.

***When I was in grad school, I had to defend my thesis...and I defended it well and earned my Masters in the process. Your "assumption" is obviously without merit.

Was this an open minded grad school or was it a religious one?

Anyway I am sorry you lost your debating skills. With practice I am sure they will return to you.

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Well, clearly you do have some sense.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura

Correction. That is what you say he did for us. I see no proof of it. And even if he did do it - I resent the raping of my free will in such a fashion. God should not be messing with humanity. It should be our right, nay, our responsibility to deal with a sin. He had no right to take it from us.

I didn't ask Jesus to do this, and nor do I accept he did.

Nice... I've used that one before myself.

Originally posted by Marchello
*["...I can only assume that since you can do nothing but preach, you are incapable of arguing..."]

***When I was in grad school, I had to defend my thesis...and I defended it well and earned my Masters in the process. Your "assumption" is obviously without merit.

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*["...Your argument is based on one heavily altered scripture that is not accepted by all members of your faith. Its not factual, so become as much as an expert on it as you like...it means nothing. You have done nothing but prove my point that NOTHING proclaims gods existance except for your scripture.

I'm not the worlds leading authority on CHirstian mythology, but untill you've read the original transcripts in Greekl, neither are you. And since you're using this argument, I better not hear you make any judgements outside of the scripture, ever, because you are CLEARLY not intelligent enough to judge."]

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Marchello

This post says it all.

jesusisalive ur an IDIOT{maybe ur better as a person but online thats all ican say about u , lookin at what u right} have u forgotten so easily the crimes of your loving CHURCH, more blood has been spilt in the name of ur idiotic relegoin than almosta anything else i know. yep darwanism is definately FAR superior in evil than burning scientists as WITCHES indiscriminately among the almost infinite crimes against humanity of christianity. if youve actually STUDIED darwin ud get rid of this adulterated view of his theories that people seem to formulate to try n mar his name. any1 who thinks natural selection along with rational UNDERSTANDING of what it ACTUALLY implies {as opposed to the crap u attribute it to} is stupid has an IQ of less than 10.

*["jesusisalive ur an IDIOT{maybe ur better as a person but online thats all ican say about u , lookin at what u right} have u forgotten so easily the crimes of your loving CHURCH, more blood has been spilt in the name of ur idiotic relegoin than almosta anything else i know. yep darwanism is definately FAR superior in evil than burning scientists as WITCHES indiscriminately among the almost infinite crimes against humanity of christianity. if youve actually STUDIED darwin ud get rid of this adulterated view of his theories that people seem to formulate to try n mar his name. any1 who thinks natural selection along with rational UNDERSTANDING of what it ACTUALLY implies {as opposed to the crap u attribute it to} is stupid has an IQ of less than 10."]

***All of these profound words are uttered by one whose command of the English language is on the level of one who has an IQ of 2.

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
*["jesusisalive ur an IDIOT{maybe ur better as a person but online thats all ican say about u , lookin at what u right} have u forgotten so easily the crimes of your loving CHURCH, more blood has been spilt in the name of ur idiotic relegoin than almosta anything else i know. yep darwanism is definately FAR superior in evil than burning scientists as WITCHES indiscriminately among the almost infinite crimes against humanity of christianity. if youve actually STUDIED darwin ud get rid of this adulterated view of his theories that people seem to formulate to try n mar his name. any1 who thinks natural selection along with rational UNDERSTANDING of what it ACTUALLY implies {as opposed to the crap u attribute it to} is stupid has an IQ of less than 10."]

***All of these profound words are uttered by one whose command of the English language is on the level of one who has an IQ of 2.

Marchello

N/A... 🙄

*["I'm not the worlds leading authority on CHirstian mythology, but untill you've read the original transcripts in Greekl, neither are you. And since you're using this argument, I better not hear you make any judgements outside of the scripture, ever, because you are CLEARLY not intelligent enough to judge."]

***I agree with you that you are "not" the world's leading authority on "CHirstian mythology"...nor are you an authority on True Christianity. In point of fact, you are not an authority on much of anything.

It is impossible to be true to the "originals" because they have long been lost...in fact, we NEVER had them! We should, however, put as much value on the "originals" as God does.

In the Book of Jeremiah beginning with Chapter 36 concerning the scroll that Jeremiah had written [Jeremiah 36:21]...the scroll is brought before King Jehoiakim and read by his servant Jehudi. According to verse 23 Jehudi read three or four leaves and King Jehoiakim cut it up with a penknife and cast it into the fire until it was destroyed...Thus ends ORIGINAL #1!

Then the Lord moved Jeremiah to REWRITE the Scroll adding some words to it [Jeremiah 36:32]...thus ORIGINAL #2 is born.

We are shown the text of this second "original" in Jeremiah 45-51 where it is reproduced for our benefit. Jeremiah told Seraiah to read this scroll when he came into Babylon [Jeremiah 51:59-61]. Then Jeremiah instructed Seraiah, after he finished reading the scroll, to "bind a stone to it and cast it into the Euphrates river" [Jeremiah 51:63]!...thus ends ORIGINAL #2!

But wait! We still a COPY of the text of the scroll in chapters 45-51. Where did it come from? It came from a COPY of ORIGINAL #2 which we can only call ORIGINAL #3!

So there are two very big problems for those of you who overemphasize the "originals." (1)Every Bible ever printed with a copy of Jeremiah in it has a text in chapters 45-51 which is translated from a copy of the "second" original, or ORIGINAL #3. (2)Secondly, NO ONE can overlook the fact that God didn't have the LEAST bit of interest in PRESERVING the "originals" once it had been COPIED and it's message DELIVERED. So WHY should we put more emphasis on the "originals" than God does?...an emphasis which is PLAINLY unscriptural.

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The Greek language as found in the NT and the modern Greek language are so vastly different from each other as to be non-interchangeable one with the other. The faulty assumption that a "Greek" would be equipped to change or better the English Bible is humorous at best and arrogant at worst.

No man, Greek or otherwise, has been inspired by God to change the Bible. Teaching "from the Greek by a Greek" may sell many books and lead to a rich Greek, but it certainly doesn't lead to a better understanding of God's word.

Marchello