Columbine Rejects God In Favor of Darwin's Theory

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Originally posted by Marchello
***I agree with you that you are "not" the world's leading authority on "CHirstian mythology"...nor are you an authority on True Christianity. In point of fact, you are not an authority on much of anything.

Wow... what a rebuttal (sarcasm.)

Incidentally there is no such thing as "true Christianity." Just as there is no such thing as "true swimming" or "true bowling clubs." Because there a multitude of different versions, different approaches, different styles. It is both erroneous and disingenuous to make out there is a true version. You might believe there is, but any kind of study of religion shows it is impossible to make such a claim.

As it is the most accurate labelling like that is usually used for the original, the first example of something. As such the closest to "true Christianity" would be Catholicism - since it was closet to the founding, closest to the original interpretations, closest to the founder - Jesus. Those that came hundreds or a thousand years later are much more different from the original Church.

It is impossible to be true to the "originals" because they have long been lost...in fact, we NEVER had them! We should, however, put as much value on the "originals" as God does.

Then there you go - you can not argue complete accuracy of validity if access to the originals is not available. The reality is that you are accepting someones translation/interpretation of the text.

So there are two very big problems for those of you who overemphasize the "originals." (1)Every Bible ever printed with a copy of Jeremiah in it has a text in chapters 45-51 which is translated from a copy of the "second" original, or ORIGINAL #3. (2)Secondly, NO ONE can overlook the fact that God didn't have the LEAST bit of interest in PRESERVING the "originals" once it had been COPIED and it's message DELIVERED. So WHY should we put more emphasis on the "originals" than God does?...an emphasis which is PLAINLY unscriptural.

Ever heard of historical forgeries? Things that claim to have access to the originals, or claim are such things?

The Greek language as found in the NT and the modern Greek language are so vastly different from each other as to be non-interchangeable one with the other. The faulty assumption that a "Greek" would be equipped to change or better the English Bible is humorous at best and arrogant at worst.

Of course because meaning doesn't change in translation. How many history course have I done reading from translations of ancient texts where the lecture has gone "Now this section here fails to truly impart the authors meaning as revealed in the original Latin." This isn't a fault of the translator, but it often happens that another language might very well be incapable of truly capturing tone or intent from the original.

And then there is the fact that Greek is highly interpretive. Ancient Greek is a complex language, the implication that an English Bible, or a French Bible or German or whatever is identical to the original copy is laughable at best.

No man, Greek or otherwise, has been inspired by God to change the Bible. Teaching "from the Greek by a Greek" may sell many books and lead to a rich Greek, but it certainly doesn't lead to a better understanding of God's word.

Marchello

You do realise it isn't about a modern day Greek doing it, don't you? It is about the original Greek, the ancient Greek in which it was penned?

And you say "no man has ever been inspired to change the Bible" - no, simply to put it together. Oh wait, there was no sign of divine inspiration there. It just was an intellectual/political formation of the Bible. Just think if the council had decided some of the Gnostic texts should have been included! What a change that would have been.

Originally posted by Devil King
So, you're blaming Columbine on the theory of evolution?

No, read the whole article in context.

This thread is crap. herbtouched

Lamest thread evar!

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
So what exactly is your point ?

How are you trying to link Evolution with the Columbine Shootings? Did God punish the school for teaching evolution by sending two "plagues" to shoot the infidels ? Is this another example of God's wrath ? 🙄

Or did Satan plant this evil through the teaching of evolution which somehow evolved into two miserable men killing innocent people ?

Because I happen to recall that the Christian Church's history isn't too clean bro....ALL THEY TAUGHT was creationism and theology, yet the Church is responsible for more tragedies than any other organization combined (look up: Salem Witch Trials, Spanish Inquistion, Crusades, Indulgences, etc.)

Which church are you referring to? The Catholic Church appears to have been the perpetrators of those tragedies not the church founded by Jesus Christ.

http://www.born-again-christian.info/catholics.htm

You are sick

To see something as disturbing as Columbine and giggle with glee as you twist it to fit your world views.

Have you no shame?

Originally posted by inimalist
You are sick

To see something as disturbing as Columbine and giggle with glee as you twist it to fit your world views.

Have you no shame?

"...giggle with glee...."??? 😕

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]"...giggle with glee...."??? 😕 [/B]

Some villians prefer:

"Cackling evily"
"Diabolical laughter"
"MWAHAHAHA"

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Some villians prefer:

"Cackling evily"
"Diabolical laughter"
"MWAHAHAHA"

...Don't forget, "Heh, heh, hehhh..."

Originally posted by Mindship
...Don't forget, "Heh, heh, hehhh..."

or those fingers Mr. Burns does 🙂

Originally posted by inimalist
You are sick

To see something as disturbing as Columbine and giggle with glee as you twist it to fit your world views.

Have you no shame?

"...Highly respected author and theologian Ravi Zacharias offered a profound insight in the days following the Littleton incident:

“When we have told our young people today that Naturalism is true—we have evolved from nothing more than some primordial slime; when we have told them objective moral values do not exist—you decide what is right and wrong for you; when we have told our young people that there is no ultimate Designer; when we have told our young people that there is no ultimate destiny; when we have told them that man is the measure of all things, that there is no transcendent basis on which to find out what life is about and what life’s goal is, why then are we surprised when we see the hell that is unleashed by that kind of philosophy?....”

The Repercussions of Evolution

Views: 197 Why does it matter that the unscientific farce called evolution is taught in our public schools? Please click below to find out (from www.pluggedinonline.com).

Repercussions of "Natural Selection"
By Frank Peretti

Originally posted by inimalist
or those fingers Mr. Burns does 🙂
Yehhs. Ehhhxcellent.

And since the character was brought up: if they ever do a live-action movie of the Simpsons, the current Chancellor of the NYC public schools would be an excellent choice for playing Monty.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
"...Highly respected author and theologian Ravi Zacharias offered a profound insight in the days following the Littleton incident:

“When we have told our young people today that Naturalism is true—we have evolved from nothing more than some primordial slime; when we have told them objective moral values do not exist—you decide what is right and wrong for you; when we have told our young people that there is no ultimate Designer; when we have told our young people that there is no ultimate destiny; when we have told them that man is the measure of all things, that there is no transcendent basis on which to find out what life is about and what life’s goal is, why then are we surprised when we see the hell that is unleashed by that kind of philosophy?....”

The Repercussions of Evolution

Views: 197 Why does it matter that the unscientific farce called evolution is taught in our public schools? Please click below to find out (from www.pluggedinonline.com).

Repercussions of "Natural Selection"
By Frank Peretti

then the entire system of belief that you follow is twisted beyond repair. It probably isn't even your fault, you have been taught certain cues and realities, and the saliency of the emotional issue of evolution can clearly explain how you can make this jump

however, even the mildest insinuation that the teaching of naturalistic science to a student can cause mental problems is asinine. I know for a fact that it is asinine. In fact, if this did disturb a child, it would more likely be due to over authoritarian belief in a supernatural world prior to exposure to science.

This is such an obvious distortion to promote your ideological agenda. This type of commentary is counter productive to discussion of the real problems underlying depression and social isolation of youth.

Originally posted by inimalist
then the entire system of belief that you follow is twisted beyond repair. It probably isn't even your fault, you have been taught certain cues and realities, and the saliency of the emotional issue of evolution can clearly explain how you can make this jump

however, even the mildest insinuation that the teaching of naturalistic science to a student can cause mental problems is asinine. I know for a fact that it is asinine. In fact, if this did disturb a child, it would more likely be due to over authoritarian belief in a supernatural world prior to exposure to science.

This is such an obvious distortion to promote your ideological agenda. This type of commentary is counter productive to discussion of the real problems underlying depression and social isolation of youth.

"...It’s all perfectly logical: If evolution is true, then there is no God. If there is no God, then there is no fixed, external source of truth and morality. If there is no fixed, external source of truth and morality, then truth and morality are left up to the individual. If the individual judges that killing all the “stupid and weak organisms” in his life is justified and right, then by what basis can we question his judgment? He’s only following the moral compass evolution provides. The question is not “Why did the tragedy at Columbine happen?,” but rather, “Why shouldn’t it have happened?”

With God rejected, morality becomes arbitrary. The rights and dignity of others become secondary. Unbridled violence by a Hitler or a Harris, to get what he wants, to guard what is his, or to seek revenge, becomes a perfectly logical alternative.

On the other hand, if a personal, loving Creator God does exist and rule this universe, then we have in Him a transcendent source for meaning, value, sanctity and dignity, not to mention a fixed and objective point of reference for determining right and wrong—God’s Word, the Bible (for starters, Luke 10:27 and Matt. 7:12). If we attempt to remove God from our culture, from our value system, and from our thinking, then we have none of these things, and neither do our children."

The Repercussions of Evolution

Repercussions of "Natural Selection"
By Frank Peretti

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Some villians prefer:

"Cackling evily"
"Diabolical laughter"
"MWAHAHAHA"

don't forget "HOO HAA!"

Originally posted by AngryManatee
don't forget "HOO HAA!"

But what about, "ho, ho, ho?"

newyear

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Which church are you referring to? The Catholic Church appears to have been the perpetrators of those tragedies not the church founded by Jesus Christ.

http://www.born-again-christian.info/catholics.htm

The Catholic Church is the church that Jesus founded. 🙄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The Catholic Church is the church that Jesus founded. 🙄

The traditions and doctrine of the Catholic Church are very inconsistent with the teachings of the Bible; therefore, Jesus could not have possibly founded the Catholic Religion. The doctrine of the church is found in the Bible. Show me where in the Bible is the word "Pope," "Vicar of Christ," "Eucharist," "Queen of Heaven," "Mother of God." The Bible states to call no man on earth your father (i.e. true Heavenly Father) yet the Pope is referred to as "Holy Father." According to the Bible Mary the (earthly) mother of Jesus had other children yet Mary is invariably referred to as the "Virgin Mary." Show me where in the Bible does it reference "Rosary beads," "Hail Mary," and telling a priest your sins so that one can be forgiven of them. True Christians have never killed anyone in a Crusade (those were Roman Catholics). But true Christians were killed for their faith in Jesus. Show me where in the Bible is the word "purgatory," "limbo," or "penance." In the Bible all believers in Jesus Christ are called kings and priests (in a theoretical sense because in the Old Testament the priest had certain privileges before God), but in the Catholic Religion only certain people are priests. The Spanish Inquisition atrocities were committed by Roman Catholics not by believers in Jesus Christ (i.e. Christians). Check out this link so that you can understand that Roman Catholics are not Christians. You are comparing apples and Ford Trucks.

http://www.born-again-christian.info/catholics.htm

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The traditions and doctrine of the Catholic Church are very inconsistent with the teachings of the Bible; therefore, Jesus could not have possibly founded the Catholic Religion. The doctrine of the church is found in the Bible. Show me where in the Bible is the word "Pope," "Vicar of Christ," "Eucharist," "Queen of Heaven," "Mother of God." The Bible states to call no man on earth your father (i.e. true Heavenly Father) yet the Pope is referred to as "Holy Father." According to the Bible Mary the (earthly) mother of Jesus had other children yet Mary is invariably referred to as the "Virgin Mary." Show me where in the Bible does it reference "Rosary beads," "Hail Mary," and telling a priest your sins so that one can be forgiven of them. True Christians have never killed anyone in a Crusade (those were Catholics). But true Christians were killed for their faith in Jesus. Show me where in the Bible is the word "purgatory," "limbo," or "penance." In the Bible all believers in Jesus Christ are called kings and priests (in a theoretical sense because in the Old Testament the priest had certain privileges before God), but in the Catholic Religion only certain people are priests. The Spanish Inquisition atrocities were committed by Roman Catholics not by believers in Jesus Christ (i.e. Christians). Check out this link so that you can understand that Roman Catholics are not Christians.

http://www.born-again-christian.info/catholics.htm

I really don't care about the differences in the teachings. The fact is that before the Protestant Reformation, there was only the Catholic Church (with the exception of the Orthodox). You are most likely a member of a Protestant Church or one that came after the Reformation. Your church came from the Catholic Church.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The traditions and doctrine of the Catholic Church are very inconsistent with the teachings of the Bible; therefore, Jesus could not have possibly founded the Catholic Religion. The doctrine of the church is found in the Bible. Show me where in the Bible is the word "Pope," "Vicar of Christ," "Eucharist," "Queen of Heaven," "Mother of God." The Bible states to call no man on earth your father (i.e. true Heavenly Father) yet the Pope is referred to as "Holy Father." According to the Bible Mary the (earthly) mother of Jesus had other children yet Mary is invariably referred to as the "Virgin Mary." Show me where in the Bible does it reference "Rosary beads," "Hail Mary," and telling a priest your sins so that one can be forgiven of them. True Christians have never killed anyone in a Crusade (those were Roman Catholics). But true Christians were killed for their faith in Jesus. Show me where in the Bible is the word "purgatory," "limbo," or "penance." In the Bible all believers in Jesus Christ are called kings and priests (in a theoretical sense because in the Old Testament the priest had certain privileges before God), but in the Catholic Religion only certain people are priests. The Spanish Inquisition atrocities were committed by Roman Catholics not by believers in Jesus Christ (i.e. Christians). Check out this link so that you can understand that Roman Catholics are not Christians. You are comparing apples and Ford Trucks.

http://www.born-again-christian.info/catholics.htm

So what church did Jesus create? The Paulians? The Gnostics? Orthodox? The Arians? What?