and i wholeheartedly agree. however bloated military spending in spite of poverty is our problem as well. so if you bring up a point like that, and someone counters it by pointing out such a selective philosophy and that we have the same backward sense of priority, that doesnt equate to a thread hijacking.
:edit: but i guess this exchange does, so i guess ill leave it at that
I think the problem is pretty much general world wide. The military needs to test stuff...cost money...etc. This isn't the first nor the last time we will see such things. Also, no one has been accuse of thread hijacking. If that was the case then you would see me in my usual "Back on topic." suggestion.
late edit again..damn the last minute decisions.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I was stationed in Incheon in '96; trust me its more than just some diplomatic statement. Its to keep the commies in-check, since we screwed over the Japs after WWII, someone has to do it. I firmly believe that if the Japanese weren't so shafted, NK wouldn't be nearly as a concern as it is right now.Plus, the US has this "Who's gonna stop us!" attitude, so I'm not to sure of what all this will become.
Yeah but that dont mean there gonna attack N.Korea. Anyway I hope not.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Ay guey, Bush has called for "immediate U.N. action".We all know where this is heading....
No where, that is where.
The US can rush to the UN when they feel like playing decent member state but it doesn't mean much.
Draft resolution in process - it is expected to be soundly defeated if it gets to the vote by both Russia and China, both of which do trading with N. Korea worth low billions. Sanctions would potentially destroy N. Korea's already buggered economy. China and Russia don't want that.
Nor China does not want military conflict on its border, nor does it wish to face a refugee crisis as starving N. Koreans flee (since it is pretty much assumed sanctions won't bother Kim as he will let the people starve to keep his military supported.)
The US lacks sufficient global kudos points to launch another unilateral war (which is what it would be without provocation or UN support) - Blair by all accounts is on his way out within the next year with those waiting in the wings expressing aims and policy less geared towards US interest and more Europeans ones, Blair is essentially a lame duck in terms of keeping the views he fostered going. In Australia recent polling has shown a massive swing away from both Iraq and support of US foreign policy - the majority apparently wants the troops out - a feeling that was boosted by the report that claims Iraq has only compounded the terrorist threat. John Howard has already said he intends to contend the next election which is close - most Australian commentators agree that Iraq will be dangerous to him, and if he went to hard after Korea it might be even more detrimental for chances of re-election.
Really, if all this political commentary is correct, and since most are saying the same thing, there will be a lot of sabre rattling and Bush talking about escalation and tension, but it is unlikely anything will really come from it.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I think the problem is pretty much general world wide. The military needs to test stuff...cost money...etc. This isn't the first nor the last time we will see such things.
If that's the case, then why did you make your post in the first place? If it's a general problem, why did you make it North Korea specific? Unless, you were trying to make a cute analogy about how great America is...Which is why I pointed out your hypocrisy in the first place.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Also, no one has been accuse of thread hijacking. If that was the case then you would see me in my usual "Back on topic." suggestion.
You're suffering from some of the same symptons as the administration you appear to love. Maybe you should read this again:
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Shifting the argument to another Anti-american politics doesn't help nor is very on topic.
All this can be cleared up by a simple acknowledgment that you made a mistake. Don't follow your leader again...
I know people rattle on about Bush being mad, Jong-Il being mad, but it comes back to a very simple point; Nobody wants a nuclear conflict, nobody. I'd put that out of your mind as a possibility at all.
As said, the problem if anything is that North Korea would sell to terrorists, but that's only if they need the cash, which hopefully won't happen if China keep funding them. This is probably going to create lots of tension and, as Samura said, nothing more.
-AC
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
If that's the case, then why did you make your post in the first place? If it's a general problem, why did you make it North Korea specific? Unless, you were trying to make a cute analogy about how great America is...Which is why I pointed out your hypocrisy in the first place.
Just giving my take and view on NK. The topic IS on NK...can't be much more clear than that. I'm not even mention america. You are...and make assumptions that are not even present.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
You're suffering from some of the same symptons as the administration you appear to love. Maybe you should read this again:
And you're suffering from too much anti-american politics hatred. To the point in which any comment or even opinion you see on foreign politics you want to take and re-direct to American politics. You're driving the car without brakes bound to crash.
Originally posted by Ya Krunk'd Floo
All this can be cleared up by a simple acknowledgment that you made a mistake. Don't follow your leader again...
Take my comments with a pinch of salt. Take my warnings with a spoonful of salt.
Now Back on the topic of North Korea Nuclear Test.
it was just a rebuttal to your point on backwards priorities (warfare over citizens)
i guess when you stretch it past that it becomes redundant and pointless, but in itself, he had a valid point. and even if he's a crazed anti-american, a broken clock still tells the correct time twice a day.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I know people rattle on about Bush being mad, Jong-Il being mad, but it comes back to a very simple point; Nobody wants a nuclear conflict, nobody. I'd put that out of your mind as a possibility at all.
there is the insanity factor, of which kim is suspect. its clear that he doesnt fear the u.s., as well he shouldnt since bush wants no part of a korean conflict. however he does fear china, and the u.s. is china's most important client with regards to trading. but...like i say there is the insanity factor, and who knows how far kim is willing to go to prove...whatever the hell he's trying to prove.
I still don't see a reason for my comment is to be the highlight of the thread. Can we just move pass that and return to the topic...this is getting old enough and I don't want to strech it. And just like any clock they must follow the timezones or they will give you the wrong time. Back to NK nuclear testing.
Rumsfeld's North Korea Connection
What did Donald Rumsfeld know about ABB's deal to build nuclear reactors there? And why won't he talk about it?
(The background to this is in Tales from the Time Loop)
'... there is no clear public record of his views on the controversial 1994 deal in which the U.S. agreed to provide North Korea with two light-water nuclear reactors in exchange for Pyongyang ending its nuclear weapons program. What's even more surprising about Rumsfeld's silence is that he sat on the board of the company that won a $200 million contract to provide the design and key components for the reactors.
The company is Zurich-based engineering giant ABB, which signed the contract in early 2000, well before Rumsfeld gave up his board seat and joined the Bush administration.'
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2003/05/12/342316/index.htm
China urges UN action on North Korea
South Korean protesters burn a defaced North Korean flag
'North Korea's claim sparked angry protests in the South China has called for "appropriate" UN action over North Korea's claim to have carried out a nuclear test on Monday. Beijing - traditionally Pyongyang's closest ally - said it had not ruled out UN sanctions but that military action was "unimaginable".'
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Funny how China publicly condemns North Korea when it wouldn't sneeze without China's permission. Do you think by any chance there may be more to know??
Rolling Blunder
'How the Bush administration let North Korea get nukes'
'The White House stood by and did nothing. Why did George W. Bush--his foreign policy avowedly devoted to stopping "rogue regimes" from acquiring weapons of mass destruction--allow one of the world's most dangerous regimes to acquire the makings of the deadliest WMDs?
Given the current mayhem and bloodshed in Iraq, it's hard to imagine a decision more ill-conceived than invading that country unilaterally without a plan for the "post-war" era. But the Bush administration's inept diplomacy toward North Korea might well have graver consequences.'
This was no 'mistake' or 'blunder'. It was calculated design.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0405.kaplan.html