Qui-Gon vs Obi-Wan

Qui-Gon from TPM, vs AOTC Obi-Wan(if that's too cheap, make it ROTS, but I hate the "Soresu makes you Godly" arguement)

Qui-Gon being pissed off that Obi-Wan wasn't there to help him, comes back and wants to kill him, they fight in the same place where the whole Maul fight took place

how realistic....i totally love how qui gon is fighting obi wan cause he didnt help him

Originally posted by Kaos sebaceous
how realistic....i totally love how qui gon is fighting obi wan cause he didnt help him

That is completely beside the point....I make these strange things at the beginning of my threads

sweetness well i think obi wan wins

AOTC Obi-wan is better, and is considerably better in ROTS, Qui-Gon doesn't stand a chance.

wasnt qui gon better in his younger days or was he like in his prime in tpm

Under-estimation of Qui-Gon....

I personally say Qui-Gon wins, and beats ROTS too, let me provide a link showing Qui-Gon's skills

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4tyDXsK5jM

Closely watch his movements

but didnt padawan obi wan kill darth maul when qui gon couldent but there also alot of factors to that

1.)Maul was surprised that the Padawan Obi-Wan jumped over him
2.)Obi-Wan was super pissed
3.)It in no way showed skill

what....ok he was hanging on a ledge force pulled lightsbaer mid air and slashed him in two peices i dont think alot of other paddys do that

thats what he's saying. Maul was surprised. Qui Gin can take this...OB1 would have died too if he didnt have to train Anakin, i mean had gotten mad mad. Qui Gon is more in control and i think stronger in the force at that time. And QGJ's prime was about 5 -10 years before TPM.

ROTS Kenobi > Qui-Gon > AOTC Kenobi

Qui-Gon definately > AOTC Kenobi, Kenobi didn't really increase much in saber skills between TPM and AOTC so he could only beat Qui-Gon in that category if he used the Dark Side, and Qui-Gon's stronger than him with the Force.

Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
1.)Maul was surprised that the Padawan Obi-Wan jumped over him
2.)Obi-Wan was super pissed
3.)It in no way showed skill

That WAS skill. It's Mauls own fault for being a dumbass and underestimating. Matter of fact, Mauls over estimation greatly decreases his own skill.

Originally posted by Blax X
That WAS skill. It's Mauls own fault for being a dumbass and underestimating. Matter of fact, Mauls over estimation greatly decreases his own skill.

Well that's true, what he SHOULD have done, was kill him while hanging on the Lightbulb, but he was an overconfident ass, therefore he died, not so much out of Obi-Wan's skill as said

Originally posted by Blax X
That WAS skill. It's Mauls own fault for being a dumbass and underestimating. Matter of fact, Mauls over estimation greatly decreases his own skill.

No, it doesn't.

He was only arrogant after he had beaten him, after he was dangling in the shaft. How does that affect his skill as a duelist? Notice how he ran through Qui-Gon in about 30 seconds flat? You may ask yourself why he tooled Qui-Gon swiftly, and not Obi-Wan (as death).

If he has the opportunity to act cocky, rather if someone is in a position that seems as if there's no escape, he will be acting cocky, and that's a rarity. He took the precaution of throwing Obi-Wan's saber away, however he more than likely forgot Qui-Gon's was still there (and how many can honestly say they'd think of that anyways?).

And if Maul's "inflation" of his skills are such a downer by your words, Dooku must be in the same boat considering he thought he could take both Obi-Wan and Anakin as noted by his dialogue both in the movie and novelization.

Furthermore, Maul was surprised by Kenobi giving into the Darkside more than he "underestimated" Kenobi. And it's fair to be surprised by a Jedi giving into his emotions, and fueling himself with the Darkside anyways, as that's the complete opposite of what it means to be a Jedi. Even with the shaft incident, I doubt many Darksiders would actually go straight for the kill if their opponent was in that position.

In any case, Maul's overconfidence is irrelevant, because this isn't a movie.

Dooku is in the same boat. Im not saying they aren't skilled. There both just fools. Maul was an idiot. I can be holding a gun to your forhead, but I wont be arrogant about it till AFTER your dead. Goes double for a Jedi.

Originally posted by Blax X
Dooku is in the same boat. Im not saying they aren't skilled. There both just fools.

Dooku sure as hell isnt in the same boat. He is probably one of the smartest duellists around. When he was losing to Yoda he retreated - he didnt pretend top be some ass and fight to the death. In ROTS what happened was inevitable. He had to fight them both. His job was to take out Obi-Wan and that is what he did. He then met his match with Skywalker however. 🙁

Again, I didn't say he was a stupdi duelist, but rather underestimating Skywalker was an idiotic move on his part.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Dooku sure as hell isnt in the same boat. He is probably one of the smartest duellists around. When he was losing to Yoda he retreated - he didnt pretend top be some ass and fight to the death. In ROTS what happened was inevitable. He had to fight them both. His job was to take out Obi-Wan and that is what he did. He then met his match with Skywalker however. 🙁

I've got a cough in my throat *cough* Fanboyism *cough*

I should get this checked out...

What are you saying? That Maul is as smart at duelling as Dooku? Give me a f*ckin break.