Originally posted by Intrepid37
That does not render him master of them.
Uh yes it does. If he can teach Grievous to utilize all 7 forms of lightsaber combat to fight on par with and defeat masters of those forms, Dooku is certainly a master of all 7 forms. Also considering even Cin Drallig had mastery of all 7 forms, I doubt Dooku who was considered one of the greatest temple instructors in history was not.
Originally posted by Intrepid37Read Labyrinth of Evil and it says that Grievous was trained by Count Dooku, also, check the 2003 version of CW, it will show Dooku training Grievous. Also, and correct me if I'm wrong, Didn't Grievous say "You fool! I have been trained in your Jedi Arts by Count Dooku!" and since Grievous CANNOT use the force, due to the fact he is a droid, means that he was trained specifically in Lightsaber Combat.
No, Dooku only helped him in learning them. Grievous' brain had been programmed to master all forms.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Read Labyrinth of Evil and it says that Grievous was trained by Count Dooku,
Dooku had taught Grievous well, and Grievous had taught his elite well. Coupled with Dooku's coaching , their programming in the seven classic forms of lightsaber dueling - - in the Jedi arts - - made them lethal opponents.
lol at Dooku mastering Djem So.
Because helping someone learn something suggests knowledge of said thing, usually to a high degree.. If someone was teaching me Spanish, I wouldn't ask someone who didn't know it, would I?
Dooku wouldn't give his Jedi-killing cyborg commander basic knowledge and just say 'Go out, learn as you go fight all these Jedi masters and whatnot. I'mma just sit here and listen to myself talk because I am CHRISTOPHER LEEEEEEEEEE.'
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Perhaps because you haven't presented an actual argument, just your absolute opinion. Try again, sharpshooter.
You're better than this buckaroo.... You very well know the arguments at hand... I'll just leave it at.. Kenobi did exponentially better against someone that killed Qui-Gon. We'll leave it at that for now... since I'm sure that was earth shattering info
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You're better than this buckaroo.... You very well know the arguments at hand... I'll just leave it at.. Kenobi did exponentially better against someone that killed Qui-Gon. We'll leave it at that for now... since I'm sure that was earth shattering info
1. I'm the best, thanks.
2. Kenobi did a burst when he gave in to his anger and frustration, and Maul recovered quickly enough and took him out. What happened after that was Kenobi calming himself and using the light side of the Force to help him do something Maul hadn't anticipated, since he had removed Kenobi's blade but forgotten about Qui-Gon's. Overall, Maul's level of skill is superior. Maul utterly destroyed Anoon Bondara, at the time of TPM one of the premier Jedi duelists in the Order.
3. Your attempt to prove via "I think it is so" is very amusing, but ultimately worthy only of:
There is no thinking involved here...
There is no disputing that ObiWan did exponentionally better than QuiGon. Exponentionally is to be taken quite literally as well.
One was killed in one v one combat is a relatively short period of time. The other.. actually pressed back Maul and via narration started to take the fight to Maul for a longer period of time.
One never disarmed Maul of his weapon.. the other... disarmed maul from part of his weapon with his own saber.
While one laid on the floor after being fatally struck one v one.. the other came to check on him after he killed the same foe and turned him into a half-pint midget. Yes, he did exponentionally better.
You can talk about how Maul was arrogant.. had kenobi right where he wwanted to all you want. But forget that in real life.. fights can change in an instant. Just because Maul was looking good and likely to win.. doesn't mean it was a given.. ohhh yeah.. he got cut in half. Let's not pretent that Maul was just caught by surprise. Kenobi remained calm.. poised and executed a super fast move that maul couldn't counter. It's not like Maul had his back turned to kenobi. He was looking RIGHT AT HIM fly up from the shaft.. looking right at him calll for his saber to his hand... ignite his saber.. and still couldn't react fast enough to stop kenobi move of skill.. speed and timing. This isn't even taking into considertion maul having precog.. let alone seeing kenobi do all those things... He still couldn't stop it. Kenobi's skill... poise.. speed and execution won him the day... not blind luck buddy boy.
Further, kenobi beat Anakin skywalker in one on one combat.. that is something, again, exponentionally better than anything Qui-gon has done in his entire career. Again we're not talking about a lucky strike.. w'e're talking about again.. using poise.. skill,.. speed.. to hold of a pissed off choosen one out for blood. He got the job done.
He bet somebody that wasn't beaten by mace and that killed countless Jedi in The General. Shit that might be something beyond what QG has ever done in his career.
I won't even mention the tooling of somebody who killed QG and who had help in a 2 v 1 situation.
Now my question is... knowing all these facts, which you already did, why ask me stupid questions as if you didn't?
Kenobi wins.. and wins in a clear decisive manner.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiNo, sir, Kenobi got beat into a pit, jumped back up and killed Maul with a LUCKY SHOT.
There is no thinking involved here...There is no disputing that ObiWan did exponentionally better than QuiGon. Exponentionally is to be taken quite literally as well.
One was killed in one v one combat is a relatively short period of time. The other.. actually pressed back Maul and via narration started to take the fight to Maul for a longer period of time.
One never disarmed Maul of his weapon.. the other... disarmed maul from part of his weapon with his own saber.
While one laid on the floor after being fatally struck one v one.. the ootherther came to check on him after he killed the same foe and turned him into a half-pint midget. Yes, he did exponentionally better.
You can talk about how Maul was arrogant.. had kenobi right where he wwanted to all you want. But forget that in real life.. fights can change in an instant. Just because Maul was looking good and likely to win.. doesn't mean it was a given.. ohhh yeah.. he got cut in half. Let's not pretent that Maul was just caught by surprise. Kenobi remained calm.. poised and executed a super fast move that maul couldn't counter. It's not like Maul had his back turned to kenobi. He was looking RIGHT AT HIM fly up from the shaft.. looking right at him calll for his saber to his hand... ignite his saber.. and still couldn't react fast enough to stop kenobi move of skill.. speed and timing. This isn't even taking into considertion maul having precog.. let alone seeing kenobi do all those things... He still couldn't stop it. Kenobi's skill... poise.. speed and execution won him the day... not blind luck buddy boy.
Further, kenobi beat Anakin skywalker in one on one combat.. that is something, again, exponentionally better than anything Qui-gon has done in his entire career. Again we're not talking about a lucky strike.. w'e're talking about again.. using poise.. skill,.. speed.. to hold of a pissed off choosen one out for blood. He got the job done.
He bet somebody that wasn't beaten by mace and that killed countless Jedi in The General. Shit that might be something beyond what QG has ever done in his career.
I won't even mention the tooling of somebody who killed QG and who had help in a 2 v 1 situation.
Now my question is... knowing all these facts, which you already did, why ask me stupid questions as if you didn't?
Kenobi wins.. and wins in a clear decisive manner.
Watch the newer CW series and see that Maul kick's Kenobi's ass at one point, when Maul brings ul Qui-Gon, he gets angry and gets the crap beat out of him by Maul, then escapes with Ventress. Obi-Wan usually gets Amped after someone he cares about dies. As later when Savage kills Adi Gallia, Kenobi takes them both at the same time and manages to win for a short time. ...Until Maul TK's him.... (;
Funny you say lucky... what is lucky about a move that was precise... fast.. skillful and executed to perfection? that isn't luck. Luck would be maul tripping on Qui-gon dead body and allowing Kenobi to kill him on the ground. Luck would be Kenobi finding a magical penis saber that can cut through any other saber in the mythos. Maul was LOOKING DIRECTILY AT KENOBI as he started flying up... calling for his saber.. igniting his saber.. He was looking right at him.. and still got cut in a pint sized midget. That wasn't luck.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
There is no thinking involved here...
I appreciate your forewarning about your own post. Thanks!
There is no disputing that ObiWan did exponentionally better than QuiGon. Exponentionally is to be taken quite literally as well.
I'm not sure in what case you can argue "exponentially" as literally binding. To the best of my knowledge, it's not used in the script for the movie nor in the novelisation or supplemental materials.
One was killed in one v one combat is a relatively short period of time. The other.. actually pressed back Maul and via narration started to take the fight to Maul for a longer period of time.
Lulz. Watch the fight again:
First off, it's not a "short amount of time". The entire fight takes almost six minutes (About 30 seconds of this video is just them posturing before the sabers ignite) and Qui-Gon carries a good portion of the time after with combat, including fighting solo.
Second, Obi-Wan is physically tagged by Maul twice before the second minute mark, and the second strike actually puts him out of the fight until near the very end. Qui-Gon actually backhands the Sith immediately after this and they immediately begin fighting 1 v 1.
Video link for objective reference in times
~1:30, Qui-Gon and Maul are fighting solely against each other.
@2:12, the barriers prevent further combat until 2:47. By 3:20, Qui-Gon is slain. Once his master is slain, Obi-Wan visibly loses his composure.
3:44, Obi-Wan engages Maul angrily. The combat seems relatively back and forth until 4;01, when Obi-Wan bisects Maul's saber. Maul quickly recovers and all but dances around Obi-Wan after this. He then positions Obi-Wan near the pit, breaks the saber lock by pushing him back, and TK's him to end the fight by 4:25.
Obi-Wan's fight is shorter by Qui-Gon's as demonstrated here, and the only "edge" he had was insufficient to even unnerve Maul, only severing his saber before the Sith Lord masterfully maneuvered him and outdid him.
The subsequent Plot-Induced Derpness I cannot rationally argue as sensible as anything but "Maul just didn't expect the puny padawan he had removed from the fight to be able to Force fly up and bisect him with Qui-Gon's saber". Nothing indicates Obi-Wan was any better than Qui-Gon in this fight and Qui-Gon lasted longer, visibly pushing Maul back until the generator room. Of course, Maul > Qui-Gon, but I never argued the reverse.
One never disarmed Maul of his weapon.. the other... disarmed maul from part of his weapon with his own saber.
Qui-Gon *****-slapped Maul after Maul had effectively removed Obi-Wan from the fight. Point, QGJ.
While one laid on the floor after being fatally struck one v one.. the other came to check on him after he killed the same foe and turned him into a half-pint midget. Yes, he did exponentionally better.
LOLNOPE.
You can talk about how Maul was arrogant.. had kenobi right where he wwanted to all you want. But forget that in real life.. fights can change in an instant. Just because Maul was looking good and likely to win.. doesn't mean it was a given.. ohhh yeah.. he got cut in half.
Maul had decisively ended Obi-Wan's attempts to battle him not once, but twice during the fight. Whether or not Maul died is irrelevant, since he was visibly superior the whole time. The fact that Kenobi has virtually no saber feats to his name at this point is a testament to this, while Maul has killed Anoon Bondara, who is an established master swordsman.
Let's not pretent that Maul was just caught by surprise.
Except he was. That look on his face? It's not a look of "Oh no, i've been outskilled!"; it's a look of surprise. It looks better if you pull your head out of your ass.
Kenobi remained calm.. poised and executed a super fast move that maul couldn't counter. It's not like Maul had his back turned to kenobi. He was looking RIGHT AT HIM fly up from the shaft.. looking right at him calll for his saber to his hand... ignite his saber.. and still couldn't react fast enough to stop kenobi move of skill.. speed and timing. This isn't even taking into considertion maul having precog.. let alone seeing kenobi do all those things... He still couldn't stop it. Kenobi's skill... poise.. speed and execution won him the day... not blind luck buddy boy.
Everyone has precog. Earlier in the fight, Obi-Wan whiffs Maul entirely, despite you know, precog. Precognition isn't infallible. And again, Maul's lose is PIS. He couldn't kill Obi-Wan because Obi-Wan lived until ANH.
Further, kenobi beat Anakin skywalker in one on one combat.. that is something, again, exponentionally better than anything Qui-gon has done in his entire career. Again we're not talking about a lucky strike.. w'e're talking about again.. using poise.. skill,.. speed.. to hold of a pissed off choosen one out for blood. He got the job done.
Obi-Wan barely held off Anakin Skywalker and won through Anakin's overconfidence. No one is arguing that Anakin's skill or Force power was less than Obi-Wan's, and evidence actually points to the reverse as being the case. This isn't a valid reason either.
If anything, you could do better by arguing a Clone Wars series fight between Obi-Wan and Maul/Savage. I may rewatch it to reassess my viewpoint. Because around here we like stuff called 'evidence".
He bet somebody that wasn't beaten by mace and that killed countless Jedi in The General. Shit that might be something beyond what QG has ever done in his career.
LOLK BRO.
I won't even mention the tooling of somebody who killed QG and who had help in a 2 v 1 situation.
See above and rewatch the fight. Qui-Gon did the majority of the fighting himself and measurably did better. It was only when he ran out of room that Maul could conclusively take him out. Obi-Wan, meanwhile was smacked out of the fight like an errant child.
Now my question is... knowing all these facts, which you already did, why ask me stupid questions as if you didn't?
Your debating style is like an infant trying to tell an adult they're wrong because I said so. The only stupidity here involves your absolute opinion being slung around as ever-binding. Check your ego at the door, mate.
Kenobi wins.. and wins in a clear decisive manner.
There is this bit from the novel:
"It appeared that the Jedi Master would. He had found a fresh reserve of strength during his meditation, and now he was attacking with a ferocity that seemed to have the Sith Lord stymied. With quick, hard strokes of his lightsaber, he bored into his adversary, deliberately engaging in close-quarters combat, refusing to let the other bring his double-bladed weapon to bear. He drove Darth Maul backward about the rim of the overhang, keeping the Sith Lord constantly on the defensive, pressing in on him steadily. Qui-Gon Jinn might no longer be young, but he was still powerful. Darth Maul's ragged face took on a frenzied look, and the glitter of his strange eyes brightened with uncertainty.
Good, Master, Obi-Wan thought, urging him on voicelessly, anticipating Qui-Gon's sword strokes as if they were his own.
Then Darth Maul back-flipped across the melting pit, giving himself some space in which to recover, gaining just enough time to assume a new battle stance. Qui-Gon was on him in an instant, covering the distance separating them in a rush, hammering into the Sith Lord anew. But he was beginning to weary now from carrying the battle alone. His strokes were not so vigorous as before his face bathed with sweat and taut with fatigue."
Originally posted by Nephthys
There is this bit from the novel:"It appeared that the Jedi Master would. He had found a fresh reserve of strength during his meditation, and now he was attacking with a ferocity that seemed to have the Sith Lord stymied. With quick, hard strokes of his lightsaber, he bored into his adversary, deliberately engaging in close-quarters combat, refusing to let the other bring his double-bladed weapon to bear. He drove Darth Maul backward about the rim of the overhang, keeping the Sith Lord constantly on the defensive, pressing in on him steadily. Qui-Gon Jinn might no longer be young, but he was still powerful. Darth Maul's ragged face took on a frenzied look, and the glitter of his strange eyes brightened with uncertainty.
Good, Master, Obi-Wan thought, urging him on voicelessly, anticipating Qui-Gon's sword strokes as if they were his own.
Then Darth Maul back-flipped across the melting pit, giving himself some space in which to recover, gaining just enough time to assume a new battle stance. Qui-Gon was on him in an instant, covering the distance separating them in a rush, hammering into the Sith Lord anew. But he was beginning to weary now from carrying the battle alone. His strokes were not so vigorous as before his face bathed with sweat and taut with fatigue."
Unrelated, I'd like to also point out that Obi-Wan fails to move as fast through the barriers as he demonstrably did earlier in the film to avoid gunfire from the droids. Plot-induced slowness.
Reading this from the novelization, I'm disinclined to agree with it. Ignoring the obvious issue of novelizations being both developed concurrently with the film for a timely release date or sometimes being developed with the basis of an older script (RotS), the film version should be invariably favored. And in this case, Qui-Gon Jinn is not blitzing Maul immediately after his meditation. If anything, his assault is more measured and Maul even forces him back until he kills him. No one leaps across the pit. This entire passage should be struck from canon, IMO.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I appreciate your forewarning about your own post. Thanks!I'm not sure in what case you can argue "exponentially" as literally binding. To the best of my knowledge, it's not used in the script for the movie nor in the novelisation or supplemental materials.
Lulz. Watch the fight again:
First off, it's not a "short amount of time". The entire fight takes almost six minutes (About 30 seconds of this video is just them posturing before the sabers ignite) and Qui-Gon carries a good portion of the time after with combat, including fighting solo.
Second, Obi-Wan is physically tagged by Maul twice before the second minute mark, and the second strike actually puts him out of the fight until near the very end. Qui-Gon actually backhands the Sith immediately after this and they immediately begin fighting 1 v 1.
Video link for objective reference in times
~1:30, Qui-Gon and Maul are fighting solely against each other.
@2:12, the barriers prevent further combat until 2:47. By 3:20, Qui-Gon is slain. Once his master is slain, Obi-Wan visibly loses his composure.
3:44, Obi-Wan engages Maul angrily. The combat seems relatively back and forth until 4;01, when Obi-Wan bisects Maul's saber. Maul quickly recovers and all but dances around Obi-Wan after this. He then positions Obi-Wan near the pit, breaks the saber lock by pushing him back, and TK's him to end the fight by 4:25.
Obi-Wan's fight is shorter by Qui-Gon's as demonstrated here, and the only "edge" he had was insufficient to even unnerve Maul, only severing his saber before the Sith Lord masterfully maneuvered him and outdid him.
The subsequent Plot-Induced Derpness I cannot rationally argue as sensible as anything but "Maul just didn't expect the puny padawan he had removed from the fight to be able to Force fly up and bisect him with Qui-Gon's saber". Nothing indicates Obi-Wan was any better than Qui-Gon in this fight and Qui-Gon lasted longer, visibly pushing Maul back until the generator room. Of course, Maul > Qui-Gon, but I never argued the reverse.
Qui-Gon *****-slapped Maul after Maul had effectively removed Obi-Wan from the fight. Point, QGJ.
LOLNOPE.
Maul had decisively ended Obi-Wan's attempts to battle him not once, but twice during the fight. Whether or not Maul died is irrelevant, since he was visibly superior the whole time. The fact that Kenobi has virtually no saber feats to his name at this point is a testament to this, while Maul has killed Anoon Bondara, who is an established master swordsman.
Except he was. That look on his face? It's not a look of "Oh no, i've been outskilled!"; it's a look of surprise. It looks better if you pull your head out of your ass.
Everyone has precog. Earlier in the fight, Obi-Wan whiffs Maul entirely, despite you know, precog. Precognition isn't infallible. And again, Maul's lose is PIS. He couldn't kill Obi-Wan because Obi-Wan lived until ANH.
Obi-Wan barely held off Anakin Skywalker and won through Anakin's overconfidence. No one is arguing that Anakin's skill or Force power was less than Obi-Wan's, and evidence actually points to the reverse as being the case. This isn't a valid reason either.
If anything, you could do better by arguing a Clone Wars series fight between Obi-Wan and Maul/Savage. I may rewatch it to reassess my viewpoint. Because around here we like stuff called 'evidence".
LOLK BRO.
See above and rewatch the fight. Qui-Gon did the majority of the fighting himself and measurably did better. It was only when he ran out of room that Maul could conclusively take him out. Obi-Wan, meanwhile was smacked out of the fight like an errant child.
Your debating style is like an infant trying to tell an adult they're wrong because I said so. The only stupidity here involves your absolute opinion being slung around as ever-binding. Check your ego at the door, mate.
I'm starting to think the name stupidmoose is more appropriate than stealth. Trust me, there is nothing stealth about your stupidity here.
You say I provided no evidence.. odd.. I listed 4 fights in which kenobi did better than ANYTHING in QG entire career.. and you call that not bringing evidence to the table? LULZ. Just because you want to low ball the feats and bring in your own context to them (last time I checked you weren't lucas and don't work on anything star wars) doesn't change the fact that they happened. Let's go over them again one more time so even a dunce like yourself could grasp the concepts here.
1. Kenobi disarms Maul of part of his weapon with his own weapon. Something QG wasn't able to do in a much longer period of time. BTW thanks for helping my case SM.
2. You mention QG backslapping Maul to counter my point about Kenobi disarming Maul and QG not being able to. Problem is, QG only did that when it was a 2 v 1 fight while Maul just got done kicking away Kenobi. Kenobi pulled his feat off ONE V ONE with no distraction. Try again SM (by the way we all know what the S really stands for eh)
3. Now you're claiming it wasn't a lucky move but now calling for the PIS card to be played. Sorry bud, agian doesn't work that way. Maul was LOOKING RIGHT AT KENOBI as he executed the move. Him looking surprised doesn't change the fact that he saw the move coming and COULD DO NOTHIGN ABOUT IT. The surprise comes from being turned into a pint sized dwarf. Most anybody would have a look of surprise if they were cut in half.. regardless of what proceded them being cut in half. Try again, but try harder to make a valid point SM. Fact is, he couldn't react fast enough and got beaten.
4. You next try and act like Kenobi was beaten and 100% out of the fight with zero chance to win. Not only is that unquestionably retarded on your part, since ya know, he was beaten and kenobi wasn't out of the fight via the highest source of canon.. but even a dunce like yourself would realize that this is a common occurance in real life and the any genre of tv or movie. People can look out of it with no chance to win.. and yet they do... how many football games.. bball games.. MMA fight... movies should I recite for you where they aren't in fact ouf of it and end of winning? Countless time this happens in real life and in the movies. Kenobi wasn't beaten nor was there zero chance for him to win.
5. Next I cite him beating Anakin in a one v one fight. Something again, greater than anything QG has ever done in his career. You call that not bringing evidence to the table LULZ. So tell me... being that you've brought zero evidence to the table. Name me one feat that QG has that is better than beating Sith Anakin in a one v one battle? This response should be lulz worthy or most likely a red herring yet again.
6. Next, name me one thing in QG entire career that is better than beating The General in a one v one fight. I don't need a Ad hominem here.. nor a missing the point.. name me one feat of QG superior to this.
7. Next I cite a fight with Maul and Savage, which ya know, is the 2 v 1 fight I was referring to in my previous post. I know your dumb, but to think I was still talking about Kenobi and QG against Maul is even bad for you. Funny enough, you also stated.. oh it would've been better to name a fight I y aknow.. ALREADY NAMED. So then, name me feat for QG superior to this feat by Kenobi... Trust me, I expect you to avoid all these questions and come back with a true S type of response.
In conclusion, what we have here is Kenobi with 3 combat feats superior to anything QG has done in his entire career. That is leaving out the obvious, ya know, Kenobi as a padwan beating the same person that killed QG one v one. No amount of red herrings, ad hominems, missing the point or lack of proof on your part changes that. I sense the butt hurt is strong with you SM. So I suggest you get that checked out soon before you can't have butt sex with your QG blow up doll. Now that, would be some serious butt hurt.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm starting to think the name stupidmoose is more appropriate than stealth. Trust me, there is nothing stealth about your stupidity here.You say I provided no evidence.. odd.. I listed 4 fights in which kenobi did better than ANYTHING in QG entire career.. and you call that not bringing evidence to the table? LULZ. Just because you want to low ball the feats and bring in your own context to them (last time I checked you weren't lucas and don't work on anything star wars) doesn't change the fact that they happened. Let's go over them again one more time so even a dunce like yourself could grasp the concepts here.
1. Kenobi disarms Maul of part of his weapon with his own weapon. Something QG wasn't able to do in a much longer period of time. BTW thanks for helping my case SM.
2. You mention QG backslapping Maul to counter my point about Kenobi disarming Maul and QG not being able to. Problem is, QG only did that when it was a 2 v 1 fight while Maul just got done kicking away Kenobi. Kenobi pulled his feat off ONE V ONE with no distraction. Try again SM (by the way we all know what the S really stands for eh)
3. Now you're claiming it wasn't a lucky move but now calling for the PIS card to be played. Sorry bud, agian doesn't work that way. Maul was LOOKING RIGHT AT KENOBI as he executed the move. Him looking surprised doesn't change the fact that he saw the move coming and COULD DO NOTHIGN ABOUT IT. The surprise comes from being turned into a pint sized dwarf. Most anybody would have a look of surprise if they were cut in half.. regardless of what proceded them being cut in half. Try again, but try harder to make a valid point SM. Fact is, he couldn't react fast enough and got beaten.
4. You next try and act like Kenobi was beaten and 100% out of the fight with zero chance to win. Not only is that unquestionably retarded on your part, since ya know, he was beaten and kenobi wasn't out of the fight via the highest source of canon.. but even a dunce like yourself would realize that this is a common occurance in real life and the any genre of tv or movie. People can look out of it with no chance to win.. and yet they do... how many football games.. bball games.. MMA fight... movies should I recite for you where they aren't in fact ouf of it and end of winning? Countless time this happens in real life and in the movies. Kenobi wasn't beaten nor was there zero chance for him to win.
5. Next I cite him beating Anakin in a one v one fight. Something again, greater than anything QG has ever done in his career. You call that not bringing evidence to the table LULZ. So tell me... being that you've brought zero evidence to the table. Name me one feat that QG has that is better than beating Sith Anakin in a one v one battle? This response should be lulz worthy or most likely a red herring yet again.
6. Next, name me one thing in QG entire career that is better than beating The General in a one v one fight. I don't need a Ad hominem here.. nor a missing the point.. name me one feat of QG superior to this.
7. Next I cite a fight with Maul and Savage, which ya know, is the 2 v 1 fight I was referring to in my previous post. I know your dumb, but to think I was still talking about Kenobi and QG against Maul is even bad for you. Funny enough, you also stated.. oh it would've been better to name a fight I y aknow.. ALREADY NAMED. So then, name me feat for QG superior to this feat by Kenobi... Trust me, I expect you to avoid all these questions and come back with a true S type of response.
In conclusion, what we have here is Kenobi with 3 combat feats superior to anything QG has done in his entire career. That is leaving out the obvious, ya know, Kenobi as a padwan beating the same person that killed QG one v one. No amount of red herrings, ad hominems, missing the point or lack of proof on your part changes that. I sense the butt hurt is strong with you SM. So I suggest you get that checked out soon before you can't have butt sex with your QG blow up doll. Now that, would be some serious butt hurt.
You forgot to come up with an explanation for the Kenobi and Ventress vs Maul
and Savage fight, buddy... Since Maul Pretty much handed his ass to him in that fight, with one lightsaber, at that. Oh, and let's not forget that Maul, was able to get a hit in on Sidious, while Kenobi lost to Dooku.