Storm vs. Meggan

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Wait...you still consider her electromagnetic control to be better too? After more then ten pages of me proving that everything you people were trying to claim was load of crap (Like Storm somehow using her electromagnetic manipulation to counter Siena Blaze - SHE NEVER did anything like that in the comic).

And you say that Storm can somehow prevent Magneto controlling the iron in her blood? All that stuff you named doesn't effect the fact that Magneto can still control it. Hell, even Polaris could control her blood, and she is like gazillion times less powerful then Magneto.

And you go ahead and claim that WE claim that everything is PIS, and do the same yourself?

There is nothing that would indicate Storm's powers work any faster. She still thinks at normal human speed, like it or not. We already proved this in the thread too. Magneto will be able to put a forcefield that repels all her attacks and then rip her head off. Simple as that.

Like I said, unmatched ignorance.

........He controlled her hemoglobin even though she has channeled through her body, dispersed, redirected, created and controlled lightning, which is the most powerful atmospheric electromagnetic phenomena on the planet. She has even channeled whole STORMS through her own flesh and blood-- every molecule and atom. Yet Mags can control her hemoglobin???.......

How can this be when all those powerful Electromagnetic forces she has channeled in her body do not affect her???

Magnetism is caused by electrons in motion(electricity) thus Electro-magnetism.....

Storm has acclimated her body to house much more powerful electromagnetic forces...

Again, iron in blood???? It should not work.

The electromagnetic feild emmited by the intense lighning she munipulates through her body should "rip her apart".

Originally posted by 2damnloud
How can this be when all those powerful Electromagnetic forces she has channeled in her body do not affect her???

Magnetism is caused by electrons in motion(electricity) thus Electro-magnetism.....

This is misleading

are you saying because I am exposed to EM fields all the time due to electronic devices and natural disturbances that the magnetic particles in my body would be immune to magnetism?

Originally posted by 2damnloud

The electromagnetic feild emmited by the intense lighning she munipultes should "rip her apart".

right, because people who are hit by lightning are blown apart because of the EM field...

The lightning doesnt just pass through their body and exit into thr ground through a clearly identifiable exit point, it rips them asunder.

Man, stop talking about science before you read a science book

Originally posted by 2damnloud
........He controlled her hemoglobin even though she has channeled through her body, dispersed, redirected, created and controlled lightning, which is the most powerful atmospheric electromagnetic phenomena on the planet. She has even channeled whole STORMS through her own flesh and blood-- every molecule and atom. Yet Mags can control her hemoglobin???.......

How can this be when all those powerful Electromagnetic forces she has channeled in her body do not affect her???

Magnetism is caused by electrons in motion(electricity) thus Electro-magnetism.....

He is controlling the iron directly in her hemoglobin. Electricity doesn't affect the hemoglobin, when have you heard that someone who survived a lighting strike suddenly had blood problems? Magnetism does. Storm channeling lightning through her body does not have anything to do with Magneto controlling the hemoglobin in her blood.

If you are going to mess with science, at least try to understand it.

OH GOD.

The ligthning moves too FAST to affect a normal human magnetically, or even heat wise (though it burns them, and affects them more than the magnetic aspect in many cases). They are exposed to it for only a fraction of a second, if that. Thats still enough to do damage.

This is a comic book where she exposes herself to it for much LONGER periods of time.

tweedle dee... you know the rest.

The time is 2:57 pm

I'm going to call this one......

.......One of the classic mistakes of the X-Men comic was in having Magneto be able to affect people "by the iron in their blood". It's been repeated by many fans of the series, most recently in a question in your 20 Jun 2002 E-post. It's really just another example of bad comic book science. Just for your information, magnetism affects iron because it possesses a quality called "ferromagnetism". It's important to understand that ferromagnetism is a property that accrues only when the ferromagnetic material is present in bulk, requiring millions of atoms in the solid phase of matter. The iron in blood is not in bulk. One atom at a time is bound into a very large molecule called hemoglobin, which is dissolved in the cytoplasm of your red blood cells. Accordingly, that lone atom is not ferromagnetic. Magnetic power such as Magneto's could therefore not affect the iron in your blood. As a matter of fact, oxygen atoms are individually about as magnetic as iron atoms, and there are a *lot* more of them in your body; it would be a lot easier for Magneto to use his powers on your oxygen than it would be for him to use them on your iron. That notwithstanding, I am, of course, looking forward to X2, as well as your other film work..........

😗 😖mart:

Lightning doesn't affect hemoglobin. Prolonged electricity voltage doesn't affect your hemoglobin. You are not going to win the debate by posting false science facts.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
.......One of the classic mistakes of the X-Men comic was in having Magneto be able to affect people "by the iron in their blood". It's been repeated by many fans of the series, most recently in a question in your 20 Jun 2002 E-post. It's really just another example of bad comic book science. Just for your information, magnetism affects iron because it possesses a quality called "ferromagnetism". It's important to understand that ferromagnetism is a property that accrues only when the ferromagnetic material is present in bulk, requiring millions of atoms in the solid phase of matter. The iron in blood is not in bulk. One atom at a time is bound into a very large molecule called hemoglobin, which is dissolved in the cytoplasm of your red blood cells. Accordingly, that lone atom is not ferromagnetic. Magnetic power such as Magneto's could therefore not affect the iron in your blood. As a matter of fact, oxygen atoms are individually about as magnetic as iron atoms, and there are a *lot* more of them in your body; it would be a lot easier for Magneto to use his powers on your oxygen than it would be for him to use them on your iron. That notwithstanding, I am, of course, looking forward to X2, as well as your other film work..........

Hahaha, a STORM fan is complaining about bad science! 😂 STORM, who breaks more laws of science in one comic then god did during the entire Bible!

HAHAHAH!

HAH!

ROFL! 😆

Excuse me...HAHAHAHAHAHAA!

Sorry. The feat still holds. If comic feats would be ignored because they don't follow science or physics...we would have...zero feats left. Including the feats of Storm.

Not the feats themselves, Just how his powers work with regards to said feats.

I can't even count how many times I've seem people try to stifle sotrm's abilities with real world science--quantum mechanics and all this other shit.

Lightning emmits and magnetic feild. That's how electromagnetism is made.--Moving electrons naturally create an attractive force called magnetism. Magnetism causes those Electrons to move, thus they are interrealted.

Lightning emits an magnetic field to the surrounding air, and it is never strong enough to attract anything.

But I'll tell you what, you prove me that lightning causes as concetrated and controlled effect on someone's hemoglobin that Magneto can cause, and you win.

And you are aware that the magnetic power even thousand lightnings can cause doesn't even come close to approaching the magnetic power of Magneto, right? Not that this whole thing is about power anyway.

Well you explain to me HOW exactly Mags could munipulate hemoglobin and you win.

A magnet can only magnetize something that is atomically "in line" with the magnet, therefore he coudln't do it.

The lightning doesn't neccessarily control hemoglobin. It was just to show that her body can handle, house, and munipulate electromagnetic forces for long periods of time.

It is the comix.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Well you explain to me HOW exactly Mags could munipulate hemoglobin and you win.

A magnet can only magnetize something that is atomically "in line" with the magnet, therefore he coudln't do it.

The lightning doesn't neccessarily control hemoglobin. It was just to show that her body can handle, house, and electromagnetic forces for long periods of time.

It is the comix.

Magneto has already manipulated hemoglobin. I don't need to prove how he does it. You need to prove that Storm's body can somehow resist the fine control Magneto has. She never has, so I think this might be quite hard to prove...

And handling the electromagnetic forces still doesn't prove that she can resist the fine control Magneto has...since the forces aren't directly trying to affect her blood...like Magneto will. It's a radically different situation.

But the forces do affect her on an atomic level. Electrons are sub-atomic. They dont have to "try" to control her blood, they just immediately reside there 😆

Her body is acclimated to constant, powerful electromagnetic forces. She's tied to the earth's electromagnetic feild just as Mags is. Her powers just manifest and are spread over a larger medium--Earth's Weather.

The hemoglobin trick already unscientific. Even in the comics, I don't see how it could happen, not easily anyway, at least not with storm of any other electrically-based hero

I'd guess it's just chalked up to him being 'Magneto'.😆

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Nope, storms powers have worked "faster than consciuos thought"

And Magneto's function instantly.

Not to mention the fact that he can activate them fifteen times FASTER than conscious thought.

Storms powers are sub-conscious and work faster than Mags could form a thought

Err...everyone who have used their powers for years can use their powers without really thinking about it...it's natural part of their life.

Subconscious doesn't mean instant. Subconscious processes take time, as well. And fifteen times faster than concious thought is certainly faster than a subconscious process. Subconcious just means that Storm is hardly even aware of using her power.

Also, Storm's powers have a lag time. Magneto's do not.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
But the forces do affect her on an atomic level. Electrons are sub-atomic. They dont have to "try" to control her blood, they just immediately reside there 😆

Her body is acclimated to constant, powerful electromagnetic forces. She's tied to the earth's electromagnetic feild just as Mags is. Her powers just manifest and are spread over a larger medium--Earth's Weather.

The hemoglobin trick already unscientific. Even in the comics, I don't see how it could happen, not easily anyway, at least not with storm of any other electrically-based hero

I'd guess it's just chalked up to him being 'Magneto'.😆

And you are apparently not aware of the fact that if Storm is struck by forces that are not hers, she gets hurt? I could give you thousands of examples of other energy based characters hurting her. 🤨

Again, it's not a same thing. She doesn't automatically just absorb anything thrown at her.

Originally posted by Soljer
Subconscious doesn't mean instant. Subconscious processes take time, as well. And fifteen times faster than concious thought is certainly faster than a subconscious process. Subconcious just means that Storm is hardly even aware of using her power.

Also, Storm's powers have a lag time. Magneto's do not.

😕

Her powers are shown to be faster than instant as they happen before a complete thought. Actually "LESS" than a SUB-conscious thought.--Faster than she can even think and understand--the hurricaine happens.

I see why she was able to drop that vortex on Mags without him even ablle to put up his sheild.

Before she even completes the thought the elements do her bidding. This probably comes from her deep connection to the earth. They already know what their mistess requires of them.

Magneto has to complete his thought, then it happens after.

How fast he thinks is irrelevant as he still has to COMPLETE said thoughts.