Storm vs. Meggan

Originally posted by Rutog98
Oh,a nd guys, I hate to tell you this (who am I kidding, I LOVE telling you this 😄 😄 😄 ) but Chris Claremont posted on a Wizard board a few years ago (before it was closed down) that Storm and Phoenix both had the power and will to end life on earth and that they held each other in check.

Hehe, yeah right. You do realize that there are about...twenty characters on Marvel Earth who would have the power to end all life on it?

And I would like to see a proof of this thing CC said. You might be lying. Got a link to that board?

Or you could of course just show comic evidence - oh wait, that is right, you don't have one.

Anything that isn't stated in comics is out of continuity. Sorry.

Originally posted by Rutog98
They cannot prove that STorm doesn't have unlimited potential because Uncanny 147 very clearly states that Rougestorm, like Dark Phoenix, had ultimate potential/power in her grasp. She merely turned it down. Claremont put Phoenix/Dark Phoenix potential being beyond any of the abstract cosmic beings and he put Storm's potential right up there on that level. If these people don't want to accept it, then tough.

No...it says that she has "POWER" in her and she turns it down. Not ULTIMATE power. Page 21, panel 4. The same comic also showed her to fail kill Doctor Doom and have lesser power then Thor. Wow. Amazing.

Originally posted by The Weather God
Marvel.com Wrote

Months later, the eternal mutant Apocalypse made a bid for power by gathering together the Twelve, a group of mutants prophesied to usher in a golden age for their kind that counted Storm amongst their number. Apocalypse was defeated, but not before [b]the ultimate extent of Storm's mutant power was revealed in an alternate future wherein she had evolved into a wholly elemental being.

You were saying? [/B]

I was saying it wasn't canon... and it isn't. 🙂

So everything you're saying is complete and utter bullshit. 🙂

Originally posted by The Weather God
It was an alternate future not reality, marvel stating it was peak/ultimate stage is canon, no matter if it was a future this was her ultimate extent of her powers.

reread the statement
but not before the ultimate extent of Storm's mutant power was revealed in an alternate future wherein she had evolved into a wholly elemental being.

... And it's still noncanon.

In a noncanon book, Magneto was at "full potential" as well, and he existed as a being of PURE electromagnetic energy, was an Omega, and was doing all kinds of crazy shit.

I don't bring that up in matches though. 😉

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Sounds like Chris Claremont loves getting off on his own characters.

I have no doubts that Storm could mess up the planet to the point where it couldn't sustain life but her powers are just too... ehh... what's the word I'm looking for... fluffy? It's just... controlling the weather doesn't have the unbridled power of controlling everything that you see with your Surfers or your Magnetos or your Jeans Greys.

And trying to take a weather manipulator like Storm to a higher level just comes off as too much of a stretch for me. At least with guys like Thor and BRB the weather control is like a sidecar, plus they're magic.

I think that's the thing with some of you. You don't truly understand how her powers work. They go beyond METEOROLOGICAL munipulation of EARTH'S weather.

She munipulates earth's weahter via ENERGY--molecular, sub-atomic energy.

She munipulates space weather via those same energies.

She has fine control over energies as to create atmospheric changes WHEREVER they are as they might exist on earth.

She munipulates the forces of NATURE. Nature extends OUTSIDE of our Planet.

Earth is no more than a mass made of Planetary dibris who's weather and atmosphere is governed by the same laws that make up the universe. That's why her powers can extend exponentially.

While under WATER, she muniputes the currents like she does Wind. Storm controls NATURE. Which encompasses everything. Her control is limited though, yet still fine.

Earth's weather is just a small model of the bigger forces that govern the Universe.

Meggan. She's an elemental. She's in tune with the fabric of existance.

Limited to one place at the entire universe. Her best feat is manipulating the galactic core, millions of stars, which is still...absolutely, laughably, ridicolously small place compared in Universal scale. As for now, it seems that she is only able to tap to the nature of planetary objects that are close to her. Doesn't shout "UNLIMITED" to me.

Originally posted by Rutog98
They cannot prove that STorm doesn't have unlimited potential because Uncanny 147 very clearly states that Rougestorm, like Dark Phoenix, had ultimate potential/power in her grasp. She merely turned it down. Claremont put Phoenix/Dark Phoenix potential being beyond any of the abstract cosmic beings and he put Storm's potential right up there on that level. If these people don't want to accept it, then tough.

Oh Jesus Christ... 😆

Go back to the retarded Hudlin website where you guys can group jack off at how cool Hudlin's writing is and how powerful you think Ororo is. 🙄

Never ceases to amaze me...

Storm's powers change depending on her environment - not surprising, she manipulates the environment she's in. On the Blue Area of the Moon, her powers didn't work as well, go figure.

Did I ever tell anyone about what Hudlin did at Alvaros?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Limited to one place at the entire universe. Her best feat is manipulating the galactic core, millions of stars, which is still...absolutely, laughably, ridicolously small place compared in Universal scale. As for now, it seems that she is only able to tap to the nature of planetary objects that are close to her. Doesn't shout "UNLIMITED" to me.

Why wouldn't/ couldn't she be written to evolve???

Jean was a fledgeling telapath turned SECOND TO THE CREATOR, bi-polar, bitchmonster.

^How did we make THAT jump??? 🙄

At least storm has shown the *drumroll* POTENTIAL to foster and house the kinds of powers I'm talkin about.

What has jean done prior to Phoenix that showed that she could one day be "second to God", the heavenly father Himself or herself😕!!

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Storm's powers change depending on her environment - not surprising, she manipulates the environment she's in. On the Blue Area of the Moon, her powers didn't work as well, go figure.

But on Jupiter, her powers would be pretty uber, correct?

Originally posted by batdude123
But on Jupiter, her powers would be pretty uber, correct?

Blue Area:

Funny she didn't draw on her cosmic star powers to help her fly.

Wither at full potential would be Multiversal Death. Prove he wouldn't.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She'd probably be crushed by the gravity.

BUT WHATA ABUT TEH PRESSURESS DOME SHE CANERZZZ CREATEXZXZXSS!!!!!!1111????///

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Why wouldn't/ couldn't she be written to evolve???

Jean was a fledgeling telapath turned SECOND TO THE CREATOR, bi-polar, bitchmonster.

^How did we make THAT jump??? 🙄

At least storm has shown the *drumroll* POTENTIAL to foster and house the kinds of powers I'm talkin about.

What has jean done prior to Phoenix that showed that she could one day be "second to God", the heavenly father Himself or herself😕!!

Second to TOAA (though that's gonna be debated for a while, and I particularly don't agree) is the Phoenix Force, not Jean herself. 😉

Chances are she'd fall through Jupiter since it is not Solid

The pressure she created just used Earth's winds which she munipulated to exert the same PRESSURE as Jupiter's atmosphere.

The pressure was soo great the car should have just turned into something else since Hydrogen turns metalic on Jupiter.

Same principles different planet. They all work by the laws of Nature which storm controls and works under, sometimes

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Why wouldn't couldn't she be written evolve???

Jean was a fledgeling telapath turned SECOND TO THE CREATOR, bi-polar, bitchmonster.

^How did we make THAT jump??? 🙄

At least storm has shown the *drumroll* POTENTIAL to foster and house the kinds of powers I'm talkin about.

What has jean done prior to Phoenix that showed that she could one day be "second to God"-- the heavenly father!!

She's showed 0.0000000000000000(times googolplex times billion times million times another googolplex).1 of the powerlevel required to be UNIVERSAL level.

Like I said before, ANYONE has the POTENTIAL to be Unlimited.

Even the kid with ability to change flowers. If we count the power he has shown and calculate it in the same ways as Storm, the kid has the POTENTIAL to change the colours of our entire galaxy, but it means nothing because he has never SHOWN anything that would even go to it.

Neither has Storm. Storm is absolutely nothing, zilch, nada, zero compared to any of the entities of the Universe who actually have POWERS to be unlimited. None of his feats match even to the tiniest feats of entities like Phoenix.

Hell, yesterday when I kicked a rock over, I showed potential to do the same to entire planet (fraction of what is needed to do so, but still potential), but it doesn't mean that I am actually ever going to play football with Mars or anything.

We have no reason to believe that 616 Storm will be Phoenix level. Ever. At all.

Something that, you, even after essays worth of material, still fail to understand again, and again, and again.

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Second to TOAA (though that's gonna be debated for a while, and I particularly don't agree) is the Phoenix Force, not Jean herself. 😉

The Phoenix is definitely not second to TOAA. She's the spark that ignites a big bang.... in essence, a universal power. Their are quite a few Marvel entities that are MULTIVERSAL in power.

In any case, the Living Tribunal is second to TOAA.

Originally posted by batdude123
The Phoenix is definitely not second to TOAA. She's the spark that ignites a big bang.... in essence, a universal power. Their are quite a few Marvel entities that are MULTIVERSAL in power.

In any case, the Living Tribunal is second to TOAA.

That's my thought as well. Didin't GS say something about avatars making her multiversal as well?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
She's showed 0.0000000000000000(times googolplex times billion times million times another googolplex).1 of the powerlevel required to be UNIVERSAL level.

Like I said before, ANYONE has the POTENTIAL to be Unlimited.

Even the kid with ability to change flowers. If we count the power he has shown and calculate it in the same ways as Storm, the kid has the POTENTIAL to change the colours of our entire galaxy, but it means nothing because he has never SHOWN anything that would even go to it.

Neither has Storm. Storm is absolutely nothing, zilch, nada, zero compared to any of the entities of the Universe who actually have POWERS to be unlimited. None of his feats match even to the tiniest feats of entities like Phoenix.

Hell, yesterday when I kicked a rock over, I showed potential to do the same to entire planet (fraction of what is needed to do so, but still potential), but it doesn't mean that I am actually ever going to play football with Mars or anything.

We have no reason to believe that 616 Storm will be Phoenix level. Ever. At all.

Something that, you, even after essays worth of material, still fail to understand again, and again, and again.

Here's a little point of reference for all of you.

If add up EVERY SINGLE grain of sand on the Earth (each individual one), you still wouldn't have a google plex. 😱