Originally posted by DarkCrawler
She's showed 0.0000000000000000(times googolplex times billion times million times another googolplex).1 of the powerlevel required to be UNIVERSAL level.Like I said before, ANYONE has the POTENTIAL to be Unlimited.
Even the kid with ability to change flowers. If we count the power he has shown and calculate it in the same ways as Storm, the kid has the POTENTIAL to change the colours of our entire galaxy, but it means nothing because he has never SHOWN anything that would even go to it.
Neither has Storm. Storm is absolutely nothing, zilch, nada, zero compared to any of the entities of the Universe who actually have POWERS to be unlimited. None of his feats match even to the tiniest feats of entities like Phoenix.
Hell, yesterday when I kicked a rock over, I showed potential to do the same to entire planet (fraction of what is needed to do so, but still potential), but it doesn't mean that I am actually ever going to play football with Mars or anything.
We have no reason to believe that 616 Storm will be Phoenix level. Ever. At all.
Something that, you, even after essays worth of material, still fail to understand again, and again, and again.
BROKEN LOGIC
You showed the potential to exert a force on an object.
You did NOT show any POTENTIAL to exert a force on an Earth-sized rock. 😉
Storm has shown potential to harness universal energies. PERIOD.
Phoenix eats stars and the energies nurture her. Storm absorbes stars and the energy is too much. Doesn't change the fact that they both have done similar things on similar scales, it's just that one it at top power and one is not.
TO show potential to do something, you have to do something at least apporaching what you may, or may not have the potential to do.
You kicked a rock over?? Go on to kick a car over, then a house, then sky scraper, go on and on and on. Kick a mass that has a little less the mass of earth( NOW you're showing the POTENTIAL to maybe, one day SOON, given the growth rate of your power, to kick Earth over one day)
That's why Claremont said Phoenix has higher PEAKS, and she does.
Gather 'round boys and girls, we are going to learn some more things about our fantastic universe!
Originally posted by 2damnloud
I think that's the thing with some of you. You don't truly understand how her powers work. They go beyond METEOROLOGICAL munipulation of EARTH'S weather.She munipulates earth's weahter via ENERGY--molecular, sub-atomic energy.
She munipulates space weather via those same energies.
She has fine control over energies as to create atmospheric changes WHEREVER they are as they might exist on earth.
She munipulates the forces of NATURE. Nature extends OUTSIDE of our Planet.
Ok. For the sake of the argument we will assume Storm has control of sub atomic matter and energy. Why does she use it to manipulate weather patterns?
There are thousands of better ways she could manifest her powers. For her to be as powerful as you say, she would a chronic underachiever.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Earth is no more than a mass made of Planetary dibris who's weather and atmosphere is governed by the same laws that make up the universe. That's why her powers can extend exponentially.While under WATER, she muniputes the currents like she does Wind. Storm controls NATURE. Which encompasses everything. Her control is limited though, yet still fine.
Earth's weather is just a small model of the bigger forces that govern the Universe.
Technically, we are solar debris, to be even more specific, we formed from the left over matter in the stellar nebula during the formation of our sun. This is irrelevant to the argument, but I think it points something fairly important out. Even the basic claims you make show a genuine lack of understanding of the concepts you are arguing for.
The second and more relevant error you made deals with assuming that the "forces of nature" are the same in space and on earth.
See, to begin with, "Forces of nature" presupposes a terrestrial concept, ie, a biosphere. You are taking it to mean fundamental forces of the universe, which is wrong and semantically very misleading.
Even so, you fail to acknowledge that the forces that govern all things in the universe manifest themselves in ridiculously different ways depending on the scale. So, at the sub atomic to the atomic level, the fundamental forces of the universe are governed by what we would call quantum mechanics, at the level of planetary and human life the are governed by what we call classical physics, and at the universal scale (which still very little is know of) where recent findings in astrophysics are making it necessary for us to modify classical physics in order to account for certain phenomena.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Why wouldn't/ couldn't she be written to evolve???Jean was a fledgeling telapath turned SECOND TO THE CREATOR, bi-polar, bitchmonster.
^How did we make THAT jump??? 🙄
At least storm has shown the *drumroll* POTENTIAL to foster and house the kinds of powers I'm talkin about.
two things.
1) pertaining to evolution. Storm CAN NOT EVOLVE. NO INDIVIDUAL ORGANISM IS CAPABLE OF UNDERGOING EVOLUTION. I don't care if that is the term marvel uses for it, it is WRONG. Evolution is the process of the accumulation of variance over MANY generations.
2) You seem to think that the character "phoenix" was really birthed, rather than created. You are treating her metamorphosis into the Dark Phoenix as something that naturally was going to happen. Comic characters don't live in the real world, they don't have real lives or real futures. The only way for Jean to have made that jump was with the prior foresight of the writers of the book she existed in. If they didn't do the DP saga, there would have never been a DP and Jean may never have been that powerful. The "Potential" you are talking about is ANY POSSIBLE STORY THE WRITERS COULD CHOOSE TO PUBLISH.
That last reason is the specific one that necessitates real cannon 616 events as the most minimum requirements for a plausible feat.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
BROKEN LOGICYou showed the potential to exert a force on an object.
You did NOT show any POTENTIAL to exert a force on an Earth-sized rock. 😉
ok, this one is easy because it falls right into classical physics. You in fact DO exert force on an Earth sized object every single day. You do this as you walk or stand. Its very simple, the force of you against the earth is what keeps you upright.
The fact that there is no noticeable reaction from the earth is moot, as there is an EQUAL amount of force exerted back onto you from the earth.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm has shown potential to harness universal energies. PERIOD.Phoenix eats stars and the energies nurture her. Storm absorbes stars and the energy is too much. Doesn't change the fact that they both have done similar things on similar scales, it's just that one it at top power and one is not.
TO show potential to do something, you have to do something at least apporaching what you may, or may not have the potential to do.
You kicked a rock over?? Go on to kick a car over, then a house, then sky scraper, go on and on and on. Kick a mass that has a little less the mass of earth( NOW you're showing the POTENTIAL to maybe, one day SOON, given the growth rate of your power, to kick Earth over one day)
That's why Claremont said Phoenix has higher PEAKS, and she does.
and this is the point
Even if the idea of absorbing star or universal energies isn't PIS, it only shows the same potential of unlimited power as does the force of you kicking the earth show your potential to move a planet.
I really don't expect a good reply to this, I asked a bunch of questions earlier on in this thread that were pretty much ignored, so ya, if you even bother to make a dumbass retort, woopty do.
PLEASE, please please please PLEASE stop using scientific arguments.
1) you have no idea what you are talking about
2) Comic and real world science rarely match up, so it is reasonable to assume that Storm's powers don't need to conform to scientific reason
3) The writers at marvel aren't scientists. It's not their job to write scientifically peer reviewed stories. They use as much as they can, and normally get it wrong.
The fact that you are trying to use real science to justify a massive power boost for Storm is ridiculous. The idea of her power is weather manipulation, NOT SUB ATOMIC MATTER MANIPULATION
Originally posted by 2damnloud
^^How does she munipulate the weather???
How does superman fly?
How does Prof Xs telepathy work, is it from the temporal or parietal lobes, and what function does bottom up processing of stimuli have on the interpretation of incoming psychic energy?
How does Wolverine regenerate after having all his organic matter destroyed? How does adamantium become organic at a molecular level?
How does Magneto's control of the EM spectrum allow him to create an impenetrable force field? Please use sub atomic phenomena to explain.
wtf? do you actually expect there to be an answer to that question? Do you REALLY think Marvel cares about weather or not their power set makes sense in the most minute forms science?
How does Storm manipulate the weather? The writers created her with a power set and write in what she does with it. Thats the best answer that there is.
Originally posted by inamilist
How does superman fly?How does Prof Xs telepathy work, is it from the temporal or parietal lobes, and what function does bottom up processing of stimuli have on the interpretation of incoming psychic energy?
How does Wolverine regenerate after having all his organic matter destroyed? How does adamantium become organic at a molecular level?
How does Magneto's control of the EM spectrum allow him to create an impenetrable force field? Please use sub atomic phenomena to explain.
wtf? do you actually expect there to be an answer to that question? Do you REALLY think Marvel cares about weather or not their power set makes sense in the most minute forms science?
How does Storm manipulate the weather? The writers created her with a power set and write in what she does with it. Thats the best answer that there is.
😆 Too true.
I love how some of the questions were in a somewhat 'exam' form.
"Explain how... please use.... to explain" 😆
Originally posted by Soljer
😆 Too true.I love how some of the questions were in a somewhat 'exam' form.
"Explain how... please use.... to explain" 😆
Thanks, I think it proves the point nicely 🙂
Its great logic on their side though: You can't provide intimate details about the mechanisms of Storm's powers, therefore she has no power limit, despite 30+ years of continuity.
Originally posted by inamilist
How does superman fly?How does Prof Xs telepathy work, is it from the temporal or parietal lobes, and what function does bottom up processing of stimuli have on the interpretation of incoming psychic energy?
How does Wolverine regenerate after having all his organic matter destroyed? How does adamantium become organic at a molecular level?
How does Magneto's control of the EM spectrum allow him to create an impenetrable force field? Please use sub atomic phenomena to explain.
wtf? do you actually expect there to be an answer to that question? Do you REALLY think Marvel cares about weather or not their power set makes sense in the most minute forms science?
How does Storm manipulate the weather? The writers created her with a power set and write in what she does with it. Thats the best answer that there is.
Those SAME writers could write her having unlimited potential... Why would that be debatable with regards to her powers???
If a writer created the Storm that I described, would they be called a "hack"??
Why??
My point is, it's possible for her to have unlimited unrealized potential TO munipulate the elements outside of Earth on a universal scale. I gave reasons why.
People aregue as if it is IMPOSSIBLE.
Why is it not possible??
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Those SAME writers could write her having unlimited potential... Why would that be debatable with regards to her powers???
Yes they could. They might have in another timeline... I think you are mislead by the term potential. All the cells on my face have the potential to be turned into human life through genetic engineering. Potential is really moot.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
If a writer created the Storm that I described, would they be called a "hack"??Why??
This is a much more opinionated question. I'll answer yes, but say that in no way does that effect this debate.
I would prefer writers to focus on character and more abstract elements of their art form. I don't see power ups as very creative ways to forward a character, in fact, less power requires more outside of the box writing. I don't know, imho it's no fun to read about someone who can do anything. All-star Superman may be an exception, but it has focused almost none of it's time on massive shows of power but rather on the relationship of Superman to his world. Its great
Originally posted by 2damnloud
My point is, it's possible for her to have unlimited unrealized potential TO munipulate the elements outside of Earth on a universal scale. I gave reasons why.People aregue as if it is IMPOSSIBLE.
Why is it not possible??
Yes, it is possible that at some point in the future writers may make Storm more powerful. They may also de-power her, why is that option not discussed? In fact, everything is possible in Storm's future, because it is dependent on what the writers do with her.
This is why people don't accept what you say. It is not that you don't have a valid theory about what they *might* do with Storm, it's that you are taking this "possible future" and saying that it is reality, which it isn't.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Those SAME writers could write her having unlimited potential... Why would that be debatable with regards to her powers???If a writer created the Storm that I described, would they be called a "hack"??
Why??
My point is, it's possible for her to have unlimited unrealized potential TO munipulate the elements outside of Earth on a universal scale. I gave reasons why.
People aregue as if it is IMPOSSIBLE.
Why is it not possible??
Writers could give Storm unlimited potential the same way they could give Wolverine unlimited potential.
Same way they could give Wither unlimited potential.
As has been said, by your logic, ANY mutant is a possible omega mutant, unless otherwise stated by marvel.
Originally posted by batdude123
I was saying it wasn't canon... and it isn't. 🙂So everything you're saying is complete and utter bullshit. 🙂
There's nothing you can do about it, it is canon because it's marvel stating this is storm's peak stage no matter how hard you try to deny it, this topic is about storm at her peak, it has been stated by marvel that her peak is in that scan so it is your word against their's and frankly your's mean bull-shit compared to they're word.
Believe it or not this is storm's peak stage and she is an omega level mutant, there is no other evidence to suggest otherwise. She will have limitless potential because there is no body to be strained or worn out.
Originally posted by The Weather God
There's nothing you can do about it, it is canon because it's marvel stating this is storm's peak stage no matter how hard you try to deny it, this topic is about storm at her peak, it has been stated by marvel that her peak is in that scan so it is your word against their's and frankly your's mean bull-shit compared to they're word.
Believe it or not this is storm's peak stage and she is an omega level mutant, there is no other evidence to suggest otherwise. She will have limitless potential because there is no body to be strained or worn out.
blah blah blah NONCANON blah blah blah 🙂
Until this happens in a canon comic book, your statements hold no ground.
Storm is an ALPHA mutant. 😉
Originally posted by Grimm22
You're right 😐In X-men: The End, Storm is loser who has to be fed by Wolverine
Where's her "limitless" potential there 😆
Get over yourself please
Originally posted by batdude123
blah blah blah NONCANON blah blah blah 🙂Until this happens in a canon comic book, your statements hold no ground.
Storm is an ALPHA mutant. 😉
Yes it does because it's stated by marvel in her biography on the official marvel website, it holds alot more ground then your non canon babble. Omega level until other evidence suggest otherwise.
Originally posted by The Weather GodOkay, thanks! That means Cyclops and Havok are Omega-level. Hell, why don't we throw Squid-boy into the Omega-level ring.
Get over yourself pleaseYes it does because it's stated by marvel in her biography on the official marvel website, it holds alot more ground then your non canon babble. Omega level until other evidence suggest otherwise.
Originally posted by The Weather GodUh.. no. She's not Omega level until conclusively confirmed. Like every other mutant. Having been told this numerous times, but still not comprehending it, leads me to the conclusion you're dyslexic or retarded, or possibly both.
Get over yourself pleaseYes it does because it's stated by marvel in her biography on the official marvel website, it holds alot more ground then your non canon babble. Omega level until other evidence suggest otherwise.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Uh.. no. She's not Omega level until conclusively confirmed. Like every other mutant. Having been told this numerous times, but still not comprehending it, leads me to the conclusion you're dyslexic or retarded.
😕 Retarded?
Your the one arguing with what marvel said.
Originally posted by The Weather GodBecause, like you said, mutants are Omega-level until they are specifically said they're not....Squid-boy hasn't been said he's not.
How? and it better not mean because they were in alternate future and they're powers were amplified by something. Because that's not my point.
