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Marvel has established in its Cosmology
that the 616 Reality is the foundation of the Omniverse,
from the 616 Reality the Omniverse sprang,
and from the 616 Reality the Omniverse can implode.

Marvel has made this a canon fact, both in Bios, On Panel and in its official site:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

The Marvel Universe = the Omniverse.

The Marvel Universe (Omniverse) has been completely erased and recreated
4 times on panel from either within the 616 Reality,
or the Prime Multiverse which houses the 616 Reality.

Sis Neg in 1972
(Marvel was just a single Universe then)

Genis/Entropy in 2002
(they re-created the Prime Multiverse, thus re-creating all of Marvel)

Thanos/THOTI in 2003
(he absorbed all of Time & Space in Marvel while inside the 616 Reality)

Alien Entity/Reed in 2006
(Alien folded the Omniverse from within 616, then together they re-created all of Marvel)

In the next Post ... I'll present an On Panel example of how this works.

Here Uatu explains on panel how vital the 616 Universe is
to the rest of the Omniverse.
A Temporal anomaly in 616's Past was about to destroy 616,
if the 616 Reality dies according to Uatu, the Omniverse dies with it:

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Panel by Panel:
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Uatu and Strange speak about the 616 Reality:

Uatu also tells us that peril of one single Universe
is not sufficient reason for a Wathcer to interfere,
it takes the peril of all Universes for Watchers to interfere:

(which is why he interfered in this one)

Anyway ... Let us proceed:

Dr Strange asks,

"Were you the one who made me certain the World was ending?

Your helping me save it?"

Uatu replies,

"The survival of one World, or even of one Universe,
is Not something that would impel me to action.
But it is true, your Planet has less than half a year before
the Temporal stresses destroy it"

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At first Uatu and the other Watchers
thought this expansion of nullification from 616
would take hundreds of millions of years to be completed:

Uatu says,

"I have discussed the matter extensively with other Watchers,
originally most of us were of the opinion that the fault line
would merely destroy your World.

Obviously, it would then expand destructively in all directions
at the speed of light,
giving us, oh,
at least several hundred million years until it consumed everything"

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Uatu and the Watcher realized
that nanoseconds after the 616 Reality dies,
the Omniverse will die:

"After my last report however, we were forced to reinspect our fundamental principles.
We concluded that the destruction of This Universe,
while still bounded by the speed of light,
would occur within an expanding simultaneity, which would,
paratemporally, have begun immediately following the initial
nanoseconds of This Universe.

And then it would Expand outward from This Universe ...
we call it 616 ... to engulf All Others ... "

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Dr Stange is confused with the Uatu's explanation,
so Uatu tells him in plain engilsh the fact concerning the significance
of the 616 Reality:

Dr Strange says,

"I do not understand ... please explain more simply"

Uatu explains more simply,

"If your World Dies now, Stephen, it will take Everything with it.

Not only This Universe (616) but All the Other UniverseS as well.

Everything there is, will End.

Or rather put it even more simply, Everything will never have been"

Mr master during marvel the end, whilst holding eternity in his hand thanos says "be gone" erasing him.but when the living tribunal summons his troops to battle thanos eternity reappears for the battle.
how is this possible when hotu is greater than Lt's power?

Damn good question.

Originally posted by lordboo
Mr master during marvel the end, whilst holding eternity in his hand thanos says "be gone" erasing him.but when the living tribunal summons his troops to battle thanos eternity reappears for the battle.
how is this possible when hotu is greater than Lt's power?

He didn't erase him, he merely teleported him away.

Eternity at that point was less than a child to Thanos,
Thanos didn't want to hurt him, remember that prior to that
Thanos was contemplating his realization of what his purpose was:

Then Eternity pops up,
but Thanos was pondering his dilemma and just wanted Eternity out of there.

Originally posted by Mr Master
He didn't erase him, he merely teleported him away.

Eternity at that point was less than a child to Thanos,
Thanos didn't want to hurt him, remember that prior to that
Thanos was contemplating his realization of what his purpose was:

Then Eternity pops up,
but Thanos was pondering his dilemma and just wanted Eternity out of there.

whats the point of teleporting him away when hes Omnipresence??

mr m whats the alien entity?

Originally posted by lordboo
whats the point of teleporting him away when hes Omnipresence??

Because Eternity's consciousness has to manifest in an M-body
in order to use the Life-Force of the Universe to battle.

The M-body is what represents the Concepts Sentience and Power.

Perhaps Thanos erased the M-body but not the Concept,
and so Eternity's Consciousness had to go back to the Dimension of Manifestations
to acquire a new M-body.

Or like in my previous thought, Eternity was simply teleported away.
And with that, I guess Thanos figured he'd get the message not to come back.
After all,
Eternity had just blasted Thanos with "All he could muster"
and Thanos didn't budge

That's my take. 🙂

Originally posted by lordboo
mr m whats the alien entity?

The current embodiment of the Marvel Universe (Omniverse)

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=425758&pagenumber=118

thanks on both counts

Mr. Master...if the Alien Entity is the embodiment of the Omniverse, that gives him more power than the LT, correct? If so, this Alien should be close to the HOTI in power, eh?

Originally posted by KMC_Drifter
Mr. Master...if the Alien Entity is the embodiment of the Omniverse, that gives him more power than the LT, correct?

Not necessarily. (there are a few characters that can collapse the Omniverse)

The LT is currently above anything in the Omniverse with the exception of TOAA/God.

Until further info on Scathan is updated by Marvel, I won't consider him.

Protege definitely copied the LT's power, (on panel and in the bio)
but Protege never defeated or battled the LT directly.

We also don't know the circumstances behind Scathan pwning Protege. (left us asking questions)

I'll continue to investigate.

I still maintain that the alien entity only recreated one universe

nuts

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=425758&pagenumber=118

Marvel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any and all other opinions concerning Marvel Comics.

Marvel.com clearly states the Facts.
The Bios state the same Facts.

I even brought out the Watcher On Panel
stating exactly what I conveyed about Marvel's Cosmology.

How erasing the 616 Reality leads to Omniversal nullification,
and you're still going in a freakin circle ... jeesh.

Ok, you win,

Marvel.com, Marvel Handbooks
and artistic depictions and character statements On Panel
that correspond with Marvel.com & Marvel handbooks are "wrong"

and ... uhmm ... you're "right" ... crazy

Yea, that makes sense, have a nice day now.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It's all Canon and official:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

So ... shrug or whatever you say.

Could you please mention where on the website you have found reference to destroying floding the 616 will result in the destruction of the omniverse???

All I can find is this:

The Marvel Universe is renowned for the presence of fantastic superhuman beings, the supernatural, and the cosmic. Although considered the “prime reality” in which events of universal significance occur (and, indeed, megauniversal and/or omniuniversal significance), this reality is designated as number 616 (thus, “Earth-616”) to differentiate it among the infinite numbers of alternate realities.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Could you please mention where on the website you have found reference to destroying floding the 616 will result in the destruction of the omniverse???

All I can find is this:

The Marvel Universe is renowned for the presence of fantastic superhuman beings, the supernatural, and the cosmic. Although considered the prime reality in which events of universal significance occur (and, indeed, megauniversal and/or omniuniversal significance), this reality is designated as number 616 (thus, Earth-616) to differentiate it among the infinite numbers of alternate realities.

edit: That must also means that the UN is fully capable of destroying the omniverse seeing as how the the 616 was destroyed in the Abraxas act.

Also mister master I don't think you should rely so much on what marvel.com says it will bite you in you own tail I have already found something on it that IYO (and mine) is totally of track 😬

Originally posted by Utrigita
Could you please mention where on the website you have found reference to destroying floding the 616 will result in the destruction of the omniverse???

The entire page is dedicated to the History of the Marvel Universe (Omniverse)

Originally posted by Utrigita
All I can find is this:

The Marvel Universe is renowned for the presence of fantastic superhuman beings, the supernatural, and the cosmic. Although considered the “prime reality” in which events of universal significance occur (and, indeed, megauniversal and/or omniuniversal significance), this reality is designated as number 616 (thus, “Earth-616”) to differentiate it among the infinite numbers of alternate realities.

That's the opening paragraph, which speaks volumes already.

"Although considered the prime reality in which events of universal significance occur
(and, indeed, megauniversal and/or omniuniversal significance)"

But if you continue to read, you'l notice even Galactus' origin is explained.
Now, unless Galactus originated in a Universe other than the Previous Universe,
it's clear as water that Marvel is talking about the Current Marvel Universe.

The current Marvel Universe ... is the Omniverse.

Originally posted by Utrigita
edit: That must also means that the UN is fully capable of destroying the omniverse seeing as how the the 616 was destroyed in the Abraxas act.

Perhaps.

Then again the UN remade the Prime Multiverse in an instant,
perhaps the Omniverse did not get a chance to fold.

Remember although Uatu certified On Panel what Marvel.com is saying,
Uatu also said it would happen nanoseconds AFTER 616 imploded.

UN worked in an instant ... is this faster than nanoseconds?

I think it is.

(otherwise Marvel.com would've included it the UN feat as all of Marvel being affected)

Like the other 4:

Sis-neg 1972
Genis/Entropy 2002
Thanos/THOTI 2003
Alien/Reed 2006

Originally posted by Utrigita
Also mister master I don't think you should rely so much on what marvel.com says it will bite you in you own tail

😆

I only rely on what On Panel says.

Marvel.com ... Marvunapp ... Official Handbook bios:
(are ONLY used to strengthen my argument)

Marvel.com ... Marvunapp ... Official Handbook bios:
(Must correspond with what happened On Panel, otherwise it's garbage)

Originally posted by Utrigita
I have already found something on it that IYO (and mine) is totally of track

And I'm sure you'l find more.

This is why I use On Panel evidence first,
and then I certify my on panel claim with official sources:

On Panel:

Originally posted by Mr Master
Uatu and the WatcherS realized
that nanoseconds after the 616 Reality dies,
the Omniverse will die:

"After my last report however, we were forced to reinspect our fundamental principles.
We concluded that the destruction of This Universe,
while still bounded by the speed of light,
would occur within an expanding simultaneity, which would,
paratemporally, have begun immediately following the initial
nanoseconds of This Universe.

And then it would Expand outward from This Universe ...
we call it 616 ... to engulf All Others ... "

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Dr Stange is confused with the Uatu's explanation,
so Uatu tells him in plain engilsh the fact concerning the significance
of the 616 Reality:

Dr Strange says,

"I do not understand ... please explain more simply"

Uatu explains more simply,

"If your World Dies now, Stephen, it will take Everything with it.

Not only This Universe (616) but All the Other UniverseS as well.

Everything there is, will End.

Or rather put it even more simply, Everything will never have been"

swank

The rest is up top, you might've missed it.

Maybe Uatu was just taking the piss? After all, he's been wrong before.

Mr Master the current used marvel Universe is the Marvel Multiverse. we have never seen anything from the omniverse, nore megaverse for that matter.

Edit: didn't a cosmic Cube once destroy and remake the omniverse???