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Originally posted by Utrigita
Sorry just got a little fired up

🙂 You always bring up good points and questions.

Originally posted by Utrigita
About the Abraxas: Abraxas would by you own account eventually bring about the destruction of the omniverse since 1. destroying the 616 will eventually result in a folding of the omniverse 2. No Eternity nore Infinity would be around to rebuild the 616 reality (Abraxas having defeated them) to prevent such a folding, thus Abraxas would, by this Logic, eventually bring about the destruction of the Omniverse. Thus he can be called the omniversal embordiment of destruction (this is streching it I know)

It's not that much of a stretch actually, but this is the thing:

The 616 Reality is the most difficult Universe to take down,
essentially it's the most powerful Reality indeed.

IMO, 616 Eternity = the Multiverse, because that's where Eternity's heart is.

This is how dormammu was able to acquire the power of the Multiverse,
by travelling to the core of Eternity's "Heart" which resides in the 616 Reality.

On the other hand, while one can collapse the Omniverse from the 616 Reality,
one must be first able to collapse 616 ... which is a herculean task by itself.

The 616 Reality has only been erased 5 times in it's history.

That says alot.

Oh God you people and your page long points. Kidding, What if Galactus ate Eternity?

Originally posted by Takion
Oh God you people and your page long points. Kidding,

😂

Originally posted by Takion
What if Galactus ate Eternity?

I don't think Galactus has that big of an appetite.

But if he did, he'd probably become a God. (encompassing Realtiy)

Originally posted by Mr Master
😂

I don't think Galactus has that big of an appetite.

But if he did, he'd probably become a God. (encompassing Realtiy)

Mr. M, have u heard of the Archenemy or Adversary

Originally posted by guy222
Mr. M, have u heard of the Archenemy or Adversary

Never heard of the Archenemy.

I'll get back to you on the Adversary, I know he's powerful,
but I wanna read a little more first about him.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Never heard of the Archenemy.

I'll get back to you on the Adversary, I know he's powerful,
but I wanna read a little more first about him.

Ok Mr. M. Take ur time

Here's a hint on the Archenemy, he beat Dormammu 🙂

OK Mr Master...How does the Infinity Being story fit with the Alien Entity story?

Originally posted by guy222
Ok Mr. M. Take ur time

Here's a hint on the Archenemy, he beat Dormammu 🙂

Doesn't Archenemy devour magic???

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/archenemymagik.htm

Mr. Master questions:

1. If an Artifact such as the Infinity Gaunlet is mutli-veral or omniversal in power does it exist in all universes/realities. In other words is there an infinity Gaunlet in every existing Universe?

2. If a being such as MJJ can erase/recreate a multiverse/omniverse/reality; what happens to the being who are more powerful than him who exist in that Omniverse ? Do they get erased as well. Or are they so powerful that exist outside of reality or something like that.

Originally posted by guy222
Here's a hint on the Archenemy, he beat Dormammu

Originally posted by Utrigita
Doesn't Archenemy devour magic???

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/archenemymagik.htm

I just noticed who this cat is.

So much info one get's lost sometimes. 🙂

I actually have all the issues with this monster, from the Magik Arc.

This beast is crazy powerful, it was destroying all the Demonic dimensions in Marvel.

I'll post the scans some time later or tomorrow.

Originally posted by Air Legend
OK Mr Master...How does the Infinity Being story fit with the Alien Entity story?

IMO based on what has occured on panel and what has been explained by Marvel.

The IB is the Fires of Creation/the original Big Bang itself that spawned the Omniverse.

The Alien Entity was able to fold Time & Space to the point before the original Big Bang.

The Alien Entity is evidently "the Spark" that ignites the original Big Bang,
in the story (FF#530-532) we understand that he always was the "Spark."

The Alien Entity was able to manipulate/structure the Marvel Universe's recreation
with the Mind of Reed.

But the Fires or Energies of Creation were not the Alien Entity's own,
this manifested on it's own, but the Alien did Spark the process into action.

The Alien Entity merged with all the History of the Marvel Universe (Past & Present & Future)

Essentially becoming the embodiment of the Marvel Universe (Omniverse)

IMO,

the Fires of Creation, the original Energies of the Big Bang that the Alien Sparked,

are the energies of the Infinity Being.
(which the Alien was able to harness and merge with)

Why?

Because the Origin of the IB has not been changed in the New Updated 07' IG bio.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I just noticed who this cat is.

So much info one get's lost sometimes. 🙂

I actually have all the issues with this monster, from the Magik Arc.

This beast is crazy powerful, it was destroying all the Demonic dimensions in Marvel.

I'll post the scans some time later or tomorrow.

He's a beast

I have the scans as well

Are u still goin to do Jaime's respect thread

Originally posted by guy222
Are u still goin to do Jaime's respect thread

I been sleeping on that.

But I'll make time when I can.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I been sleeping on that.

But I'll make time when I can.

X Men is supposed to bring back First Fallen and Jaime Braddock

Originally posted by nimbus006
Mr. Master questions:

1. If an Artifact such as the Infinity Gaunlet is mutli-veral or omniversal in power does it exist in all universes/realities. In other words is there an infinity Gaunlet in every existing Universe?

There's only one Infinity Gauntlet, the 616 IG.

There has never been "alternate Gems" depicted on panel.

The IGs in those two "What If" issues don't really count.

Cause those IG's derive from the same 616 IG,
since those two Realities Diverged from 616.

So basically in order for us to see other IG's, we have to wait till senselessly an event in the Past of 616 that already took place has to somehow Diverge in order to create a Reality in which the IG is still hanging around in a timeloop in the year 1991.

Diverged Realities (in this sense) is about the dumbest concept in Marvel's cosmology imo.

Originally posted by nimbus006
2. If a being such as MJJ can erase/recreate a multiverse/omniverse/reality; what happens to the being who are more powerful than him who exist in that Omniverse ? Do they get erased as well. Or are they so powerful that exist outside of reality or something like that.

Great question.

And I honestly don't know.

That's a dilemma I'm sure Marvel wouldn't dare approach,
because logically there's no answer for it.

The only response I can humbly add is,

Marvel's scapegoat (Different levels of Infinity/Omnipotence)

Which means:

Two cats that can destroy the Marvel Omniverse, are not necessarily equal.

What about the Infinity Gauntlet that Thanos was using to battle Maelstrom in an alternate universe that Quasar visited?

Originally posted by Mr Master

Great question.

And I honestly don't know.

That's a dilemma I'm sure Marvel wouldn't dare approach,
because logically there's no answer for it.

The only response I can humbly add is,

Marvel's scapegoat (Different levels of Infinity/Omnipotence)

Which means:

Two cats that can destroy the Marvel Omniverse, are not necessarily equal.

Thanx, yea thats been bothering me for a while now.

Originally posted by Mr Master
On the other hand, while one can collapse the Omniverse from the 616 Reality,

The 616 Universe is like a boundless Ocean.... An Ocean which stems into a boundless amount of lakes.... Lakes which stem into a boundless amount of diverging rivers..... Rivers which stem into a boundless amount of diverging streams, and a boundless amount of diverging tributaries after those.... And so on and so forth, infinitely.....

All of these lakes, rivers, streams, tributaries, etc, are what make up the entire Marvel Omniverse.

Dry up one of those diverging streams or tributaries, and you just lose that one body of water, as it is basically it's own entity...

However,

Dry up the original Ocean, and you dry up everything stemming from it, (the Marvel Omniverse), as all is fed by, and stems from, that one initial Ocean.

Am I even close here? lol

Originally posted by Galan007
While I simply cannot stand this "concept" whatsoever.....

We'll always find something to hate in Comics.

Originally posted by Galan007
Let me know if this is a decent analogy for how things work...

The 616 Universe is like a boundless Ocean.... An Ocean which stems into a boundless amount of lakes.... Lakes which stem into a boundless amount of diverging rivers..... Rivers which stem into a boundless amount of diverging streams, and a boundless amount of diverging tributaries after those.... And so on and so forth, infinitely.....

All of these lakes, rivers, streams, tributaries, etc, are what make up the entire Marvel Omniverse.

Dry up one of those diverging streams or tributaries, and you just lose that one body of water, as it is basically it's own entity...

However,

Dry up the original Ocean, and you dry up everything stemming from it, (the Marvel Omniverse), as all is fed by, and stems from, that one initial Ocean.

Am I even close here? lol

First of all, my compliment to you is this;

From now on,

this will be the standard analytical analogy,
that explains the 616 Reality's connection
and significance to the entire Omniverse.

Second of all, 👆

Originally posted by Endless Mike
What about the Infinity Gauntlet that Thanos was using to battle Maelstrom in an alternate universe that Quasar visited?

There's a discrepancy involved in that incident.

First, Thanos didn't have the IG on as we had initially thought.

Second, That Quasar issue was published a year after the IG arc.

I honestly don't know what source of power Thanos had,
and the issue (Quasar#30 and the beginning of #31)
certainly didn't even allude to what it was exactly.

And all the IG related bios make no mention of it.

What's interesting is,
Quasar travelled pass Realities with stories that had taken place on panel,
and he also travelled pass a Reality
that diverged from 616 but was never illustrated on panel (of Quasar battling Set)

So it's possible,
that Quasar travelled into an alternate reality that was never recorded on panel,
where Thanos and Maelstrom fought.

But I have nothing conclusive on this.