Originally posted by lordboo
mr master this question was posted by llagrok in the level of omnipotence thread could please answer it?
Q.When did we get to see the True Beyonders?
We never have.
In fact, Dr Doom and the FF journeyed pass their Universe once,
you know what they saw?
Absolute darkness.
The only reference we have to gauge their power is through the Cosmic Cubes.
Which are a tiny fraction of their power according to the LT himself.
Originally posted by Merlyn
Would you mind posting the scan of LT saying that please?
Absolutely friend.
LT, Eternity, Lord Chaos & Master Order
observe two specific creations of the BeyonderS:
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Living Tribunal calls the Beyonders, "the INFINITE"
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Here the LT gives us a hint at the awesome power of the BeyonderS:
"allowing Minute bits of Energy from the Universe of the BeyonderS to slip through.
This resulted in the Creation of those devices called Cosmic Cubes,
And of Neo-Omnipotent beings of power which grew from them"
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Realize how the LT differentiates the Cosmic Cube, from Cube being.
The Cube beings (with the exception of Molecule Man)
are limtied to nigh-omnipotence.
But the Cosmic Cubes' potential are limitless.
(why LT specified a status for the Cube being)
In this story though,
we learn that Molecule Man's potential is also virtually limitless.
Originally posted by Mr MasterThanks! 🙂
"allowing Minute bits of Energy from the Universe of the BeyonderS to slip through.This resulted in the Creation of those devices called Cosmic Cubes,
And of Neo-Omnipotent beings of power which grew from them"
So the power from the Cubes, springs from the BeyonderS' Universe, and not necessarily from the BeyonderS themselves? 😕
Originally posted by Merlyn
Thanks!.So the power from the Cubes, springs from the BeyonderS' Universe,
and not necessarily from the BeyonderS themselves?
The BeyonderS' Universe?
I'm sure LT meant the BeyonderS' themselves.
Anyhow, if it came from their universe and not them,
the BeyonderS would be inconsequential.
But anyway, it's known it's the BeyonderS' power
by the on panel account with high-evolutionary,
and their official handbook bio.
Originally posted by MerlynIf the BeyonderS are anything like Beyonder was back in the day, then they're more then likely formless entities who literally are that Universe.
Thanks! 🙂So the power from the Cubes, springs from the BeyonderS' Universe, and not necessarily from the BeyonderS themselves? 😕
Thus,
The energy leeched from the BeyonderS Universe into the Cubes, would be energy from the BeyonderS themselves.
Just a theory. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
If the BeyonderS are anything like Beyonder was back in the day, then they're more then likely formless entities who literally are that Universe.Thus,
The energy leeched from the BeyonderS Universe into the Cubes, would be energy from the BeyonderS themselves.
Just a theory.
Actually it makes sense. 👆
But it's also been confirmed in their bio,
the enrgy comes from them,
whether that be the Universe they encompass or not.
In Marvel Two in One, the H.E. also confirms this.
Originally posted by Mr MasterYep.
Actually it makes sense. 👆But it's also been confirmed in their bio,
the enrgy comes from them,
whether that be the Universe they encompass or not.In Marvel Two in One, the H.E. also confirms this.
But LT's statement does contradict that a bit, [which is why I made the above comment]. 😛
Originally posted by King Kandy
Hey, if 616 Jaspers warped the whole Omniverse,
would he be able to restrain a rampant "Chaos Wave" like Wanda's within it?
If Jaspers gets to warp everything, he becomes the God of everything.
In which case the Chaos Wave wouldn't be allowed to exist before it was initiated.
On the other hand, let's say Wanda is within one Universe,
and Jaspers has Warped every other Universe except that one,
can Wanda generate a Chaos Wave from there and take out Jaspers Omniverse?
I'm not too sure.
The Chaos Wave works within specific parameters,
in-between the Walls of Causality.
Jaspers Omniverse wouldn't necessarily need to follow any physics or logic,
it may lack "Walls of Cauality" therefore not giving the Chaos Wave an avenue.
Once Jaspers has warped the Omniverse,
he can turn it into a marble and keep it in his pocket.
His insane imagination would be Reality.
Originally posted by Mr Master
If Jaspers gets to warp everything, he becomes the God of everything.
In which case the Chaos Wave wouldn't be allowed to exist before it was initiated.On the other hand, let's say Wanda is within one Universe,
and Jaspers has Warped every other Universe except that one,
can Wanda generate a Chaos Wave from there and take out Jaspers Omniverse?I'm not too sure.
The Chaos Wave works within specific parameters,
in-between the Walls of Causality.Jaspers Omniverse wouldn't necessarily need to follow any physics or logic,
it may lack "Walls of Cauality" therefore not giving the Chaos Wave an avenue.Once Jaspers has warped the Omniverse,
he can turn it into a marble and keep it in his pocket.
His insane imagination would be Reality.
Do u think Jaime Braddock can defeat the Fury?
Originally posted by guy222
Do u think Jaime Braddock can defeat the Fury?
Jamie's power is Reality manipulation,
by controlling the "quantum strings" that make up everything.
But,
The Fury is immune to Reality warps.
The Fury's durability is off the charts, being immune to Universal nullification.
Every entity or being has a weakness of some sort, even Jamie.
The Fury's ultimate ability is to find that weakness and exploit it.
With time (and his durability would give him that time) the Fury would win, imo.
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Mr. Master, where would you place the Stranger in a hierarchy? Skyfather? Cube Being? Lower/higher? What feats does he have?Is his power more in schemes and the like? I've seen stuff about him and it all seems to be plotting.
The Stranger's greatest feat,
was when he teleported a Planet from another Multiverse into the Prime one.
That's planetary manipulation across trans-dimensional distances ... impressive.
Imo, he's above Skyfather but below Cube Beings like Kubik.
Kubik is a pocket Universe warper.
But honestly, the Stranger is a strange cat,
seldom seen and performances fluxuate.
Also, as far as I know,
the Stranger has never deliberately tried to affect a Universe,
so who knows his true limit.
Originally posted by guy222
Mr. M, can Warlock w/IG stop MJJ
Probably, though there's no way I can say for sure.
You see MJJ's hierarchical status stems from the fact that Jaspers >>> Merlyn.
We know Merlyn is an absolute Omniversal power,
that says alot about Jaspers' potential,
besides the fact that
Cobweb (a soothsayer) saw Jaspers 616 in a possible Alternate Future,
where Jaspers warped the entire Omniverse and cancelled it's existence.
This never came to pass because "possible Futures"
rely on the outcome of the Present.
eg. Had the Fury not stopped Jaspers, that Future would've been.
On the otherhand,
we know the IG makes the wielder God beneath the LT.
It allows the wielder to replace Eternity 616,
which means one becomes the consciousness of the Multiverse entire,
and the foundation of the Omniverse.
And we also know what 4 Gems are capable of.
It's not easy to tell who would win this one guy.
