Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
What IS The Stranger, though? Does he have an origin?
Here's his complete 2006 official Bio;
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
And he didn't seem too worried about mouthing off to the big LT.
LT isn't going to attack cause a being talks trash.
Stranger paid the LT respect when Stranger could've been attacked
for teleporting a World from another Multiverse into the Prime one.
Anyhow, this is what stood out for me in that scan, I never noticed:
"I, who could be all ... must be but a part ... I must be apart"
Proemial Gods & Celestials
Basically this is how I believed how things worked out regarding these two groups.
When the universe was born, Eternity, Death, Infinity, Oblivion, Chaos, Order, Galactus, and other abstracts came into being. Galactus, however, was still inside the egg but yet to hatch. Not sure if Galactus came into being before, after, or around the same time as the Proemial Gods.
Anyways, the Proemial Gods came into being by the creator when the universe was young. I'm assuming this creator (their creator) is Eternity and not TOAA (just my opinion). Eternity has had a host of children and creation, I think the Proemial Gods are among them. Since the universe was young, the Proemial Gods came into being and began filling the gaps and assisting the higher abstracts. Diableri of Chaos, Tenebrous of the Darkness In Between, Aegis Lady of Sorrows, Antiphon the Overseer, Brio of Life, and the handful of others of the Cosmic Cosonance.
Wanting to replace their Creator/Eternity, Diableri began manipulating the other PG and the war broke out among them. They than took the fight to Galactus, who beat Diableri and imprisoned them. The universe was mostly left to randomness (as Tenebrous and Aegis noted when they woke and wanted to restore it to the old ways). Anyways, the Celestials, imo, came into being after the Proemial Gods. They were created by Eternity as agents of the abstracts to guide and elminate life forms. They were also tasked to instill in life forms the potential of evolving into the abstracts.
Note:
- Not sure if the Celestials continued to seed creation after the Proemial Gods left. I'm saying continued because in Annihilation we were shown the PG's filling planets with lifeforms. And in X-Men Forever, Celestials were said to have seeded creation with life.
- Don't know but hope Marvel would tie Antiphon with the Watchers where the Overseer created them or mentored a group of life forms tasked them to watch over sectors of the universe. But they did not help him against Galactus because he refused their attempted and reminded them of what he tasked them to do. Or maybe, this group came into being around the time the Celestials did and were chosen by the abstracts to watch over the universe. That could work as well.
- Yes, I know Galactus and Eternity regard each other as equals and Galactus was talking about the creator in Annihilation. I would still say it's a possibility that it's Eternity considering Eternity can also be regarded as Galactus' father/creator and that of everything in the universe.
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Mr. M, where does it say the Fury the X-Men fought was made by Jamie?
Can I get the scan?
I have the actual X-Men issues, but I gotta step out right now.
Here's the excerpt from Fury's 2006 official handbook bio:
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
Also, I saw some scans of yours from a while ago about some guy...Cobweb or something seeing a possible future with Jaspers' full potential and universes toppling like dominos. Why don't you use that any more? [/B]
I do use them, but there are other factors that define Jaspers incredible power.
Here are those scans.
Cobweb peers into an alternate possible Future and sees what happens
had Japsers not been stopped by the plot device (the Fury)
"But if this Game is Lost, I see a Universe eaten alive by Chaos,
and ANOTHER Universe, and ANOTHER, like Dominos, Tumbling ...
I see the Future"
"And it is Cancelled"
Originally posted by lordboo
mr master have you heard of the darkhold(book of sins)i think?
That's Chthon's book of black magic, here are the specifics I gathered up:
"Also known as the Book of Sins because of its corrupting influence from its spells. The Darkhold was written billions of years ago by the Elder God Chthon, containing all of the dark magical knowledge of the time.
The indestructible parchments have been spread across the Earth and regathered on numerous occasions, sometimes held by the likes of Morgan Le Fay, Aelfric the Mad Monk, Cagliostro, Taboo, Gregor Russoff and Dr. Strange.
Still considered the most potent book of black magic in existence, the Darkhold has spawned imitators, like the Necronomicon, and numerous partial or complete copies have been made, such as the Shiatra Book of the Damned and Libro del Malditos.
An entire cult, the Darkholders, exists to facilitate the Darkhold's use, and the demonic Dwarf frequently persuades people in need to use a page from the Book of Sins, at the cost of their immortal soul."
Mr. M, would u put Walker above Odin or Zeus
I thought I posted this...
Oh well.
Mr. M, is there any proof Fury survived the universe being destroyed? Like in his bio does it say "survived the destruction of 238" or whatnot?
Someone on another site said it's equally assumable that he had already left 238 and it's not said anywhere flat out that he was in the universe when it was destroyed.
Originally posted by guy222
Mr. M, would u put Walker above Odin or Zeus
Yes.
Walker handled Thanos like a child, while Thanos gave Odin a fight and never lost.
I just read those Two issue last night.
Walker was no joke, but was stomped by Mistress Death.
Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
I thought I posted this...Oh well.
Mr. M, is there any proof Fury survived the universe being destroyed? Like in his bio does it say "survived the destruction of 238" or whatnot?
Someone on another site said it's equally assumable that he had already left 238 and it's not said anywhere flat out that he was in the universe when it was destroyed.
Survivng the nullification of the 238 Universe:
Marvel cerification:
(excerpt from the offical Handbook - 2006 Fury bio)
"survived the destruction of it's entire Reality"
Mr. M, have u heard of the Nth Man and Nykonn
Hey Mr. M.
I was looking at this post of yours with GS.
He was saying Beyonder said 616 was a multiverse in its own right.
You responded by saying Beyonder flew passed places outside the 616 universe.
Can you provide some scans or whatnot on these places saying they are outside of 616 and thus in the wider multiverse and not the "multiverse in its own right" 616?
I believe you more than GS obviously but you can never have too much evidence.
[QUOTE=9526401]Originally posted by Shin_Nikkolas
You responded by saying Beyonder flew passed places outside the 616 universe.
Can you provide some scans or whatnot on these places saying they are outside of 616 and thus in the wider multiverse and not the "multiverse in its own right" 616? [QUOTE]
I don't have access to my scans right now, I'm in my cousins crib.
But this page:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=425758&pagenumber=14
Proves that the Microverse,
has alsways been located in a Universe Outside 616.
In fact,
the Microverse was created by the Makers,
who also Re-Made the Universe that Microverse is in.
They Remade that entirely separate Universe in their image.
