Originally posted by King Kandy
So why should it be any different for the True Beyonders?
Because the BeyonderS are just entities in a Universe within the Omniverse.
While the LT is well ... the LT.
The LT sits back and watches while cosmic events take place.
Like in this incident,
when he manipulated the Brothers into creating the MegaverseS they would embody/guard:
Where he is exactly here, I don't know, but he's obviously unafffected by what's going on.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Do you have any proof of this?
Well we know Eternity is a single consciousness, the Multiverse back in the day,
now he shares that status with Infinity.
We know that one Aspect of Eternity
(a single Universe speaks as though it were the Multiverse)
This is because again, it shares the same consciousness as the Totality. (One Entity)
AT this time Eternity's totality was nigh-infinite,
we now know it's been increased into complete infinity:
Every Universe embodies an Aspect of each nowadays (Eternity/Infinity)
The Totality of these Aspects (Universes)
make up the Multiverse (Eternity/Infinity's) Totality.
For every Universe there's a Chaos & Order, Death, Oblivion,
those are the major Hierarchal Concepts,
together they are the cornerstones of the Prime Multiverse.
Love & Hate are the next tier down in major Concepts,
while important, they aren't as important as the other 4.
Abraxas is a lone Concept, but operates on a Multiversal level.
Entropy is the same.
These Concepts however play a specific role in existence,
and can only manifest given the right set of circumstances.
Galactus is the balance that holds the Multiverse together,
(between Eternity/Infinity - Death/Oblivion)
Abraxas emerges from Eternity if the balance to the Multiverse is disturbed.
(As in if Galactus 616 being the balance "dies"😉
Entropy manifests if it's the Multiverse's time to be recycled.
Now,
if Eternity/Infinity (Time/Space) have a Totality that makes up the Multiverse,
it stands to reason, that Chaos & Order, Death, Oblivion..
Because it's these Concepts that allow Reality to function properly,
and it's Galactus that holds them all together.
So the 616 Concepts are the Totality of these Abstract Concepts,
that's why if the 616 Reality goes, so does everything else.
......................................................................................................
A good question would be, so why doesn't Galactus have a "Totality"
if he's actually the glue of the Multiverse?
But in fact he does,
it's 616 Galactus.
This is why if 616 Galactus "dies" the Multiverse begins to collapse at the hands of Abraxas,
who's simply the conceptual form in which Galactus absence folds the Multiverse.
This is why I have always contended that Galactus at "full power" would equal Eternity/Infinity.
Although there's no need for Galactus to reach "full power"
which probably why we'll never see him as such.
Galactus just needs to be alive,
and a Planet at a time is enough to satiate him until he can find another one.
Can Galactus absorb more even after he's satiated?
I don't see why not, but does he need to?
No.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Because the BeyonderS are just entities in a Universe within the Omniverse.While the LT is well ... the LT.
The LT sits back and watches while cosmic events take place.
Like in this incident,
when he manipulated the Brothers into creating the MegaverseS they would embody/guard:Where he is exactly here, I don't know, but he's obviously unafffected by what's going on.
Using this logic is like saying that she is stronger then Scathan because she warped the omniverse, and he's part of the omniverse. Anyone can see the problem here.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Well we know Eternity is a single consciousness, the Multiverse back in the day,
now he shares that status with Infinity.We know that one Aspect of Eternity
(a single Universe speaks as though it were the Multiverse)
This is because again, it shares the same consciousness as the Totality. (One Entity)AT this time Eternity's totality was nigh-infinite,
we now know it's been increased into complete infinity:Every Universe embodies an Aspect of each nowadays (Eternity/Infinity)
The Totality of these Aspects (Universes)
make up the Multiverse (Eternity/Infinity's) Totality.For every Universe there's a Chaos & Order, Death, Oblivion,
those are the major Hierarchal Concepts,
together they are the cornerstones of the Prime Multiverse.Love & Hate are the next tier down in major Concepts,
while important, they aren't as important as the other 4.Abraxas is a lone Concept, but operates on a Multiversal level.
Entropy is the same.
These Concepts however play a specific role in existence,
and can only manifest given the right set of circumstances.Galactus is the balance that holds the Multiverse together,
(between Eternity/Infinity - Death/Oblivion)Abraxas emerges from Eternity if the balance to the Multiverse is disturbed.
(As in if Galactus 616 being the balance "dies"😉Entropy manifests if it's the Multiverse's time to be recycled.
Now,
if Eternity/Infinity (Time/Space) have a Totality that makes up the Multiverse,
it stands to reason, that Chaos & Order, Death, Oblivion..Because it's these Concepts that allow Reality to function properly,
and it's Galactus that holds them all together.So the 616 Concepts are the Totality of these Abstract Concepts,
that's why if the 616 Reality goes, so does everything else.
......................................................................................................A good question would be, so why doesn't Galactus have a "Totality"
if he's actually the glue of the Multiverse?But in fact he does,
it's 616 Galactus.This is why if 616 Galactus "dies" the Multiverse begins to collapse at the hands of Abraxas,
who's simply the conceptual form in which Galactus absence folds the Multiverse.This is why I have always contended that Galactus at "full power" would equal Eternity/Infinity.
Although there's no need for Galactus to reach "full power"
which probably why we'll never see him as such.Galactus just needs to be alive,
and a Planet at a time is enough to satiate him until he can find another one.
Can Galactus absorb more even after he's satiated?I don't see why not, but does he need to?
No.
I agree that it is plasauble that there are other Multiversal versions of Universal concepts, but it's not fact so you should remember to say that it's speculation.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Well, the Beyonder's have always been Apart from the rest of Marvel... They are simply beyond.Using this logic is like saying that she is stronger then Scathan because she warped the omniverse, and he's part of the omniverse. Anyone can see the problem here.
I see it too, also when the CC used it power to destroy and recreate the Omniverse that must have included the beyonders Dimension as well, if the simply isn't like you say KK like the LT beyond.
Originally posted by Mr Master
True, but there is one subtle yet significant difference.Wanda threatened the "Ascension" itself according to Roma.
Now while I have no idea what that is exactly,
I know it's somewhere beyond the Omniverse,only are I know of beyond the Omniverse is Marvel heaven.
Did Wanda threaten Toaa? hm
It's plausible,
but since we have no evidence either way,
we should just stick to what we know for sure.Wanda re-created the Omniverse and everything in it.
Only concerning the CCu experiment sdo the BeyonderS need LT's approval,
it's never been stated that the BeyonderS need permission to interfere in other events.In fact,
by Meggan tapping into their power shows that they can (atleast indirectly)
they can interfere.She never stopped, she slowed it down for just a moment.
(she was immediately overwhelmed by the Wave)And Meggan harnessed the "Pan-Dimensional power of Beyond for her own"
The BeyonderS reside within a lightless Universe in the Beyond,
inside the Pan-Dimensional Cross Roads of infinity,
which can be access through the the Negative Zone.Imo, that scan strongly alludes to Meggan harnessing all the power there.
That's cool,
but imo since the Power of the BeyonderS
was just enough to slow the Wave down for an instant.I have to give Wanda the edge.
I find that highly unlike Master and I hope you do too.
Well we also know that there power has destroyed and recreated the omniverse, that must include there own dimension as well and they didn't do anything about it they just observed.
It's that also the only time where the Beyonders have been "seen" being active towards anything in the 616 pime universe.
If I get a CC and step up to the Chaos Wave would you then say that the Beyonders indirectly interered?
Again the only potion of the power of the beyond we have been seen harnessed is the power of a CC which leads me to believe that was the power she contained.
The power of a unknown amount of energy from the beyond you mean. Also the Beyond could be refering to a place outside of the Omniverse hence the beyond. I know it's a little far of mylast speculation here but it is possibly that the Ascension is perhaps the dimension of the Beyonders???
To Mr Master .
You seem to use certain things to suit your case , and due to this I have a question of your view on a thing .
How do you view the One Above All ?
The Real world writers ?
or
A character depicted as writing the stories taking place in Marvel similar to how a real world writer does yet not being the real world writer ?
or
That the F4 just percieved him as being a writer with human appearence ?
Or something else ?
Because , it's like you contradict yourself every time you talk about this .
Take this for example :
because God/Toaa is always in control of everything and anything that happens.
Because God/Toaa create everything and anything that happens.ANYTHING and EVERYTHING!.
So if God actually writes everything that takes place and is in control of everything then how can he be :
Did Wanda threaten Toaa?
How could Wanda threaten TOAA when according to you he made her do everything she did , and that she is just a drawing on a piece of paper for him ?
I'm not even going to include the several times you mentioned that Thanos has God's power yet he couldn't fix the Universe without destroying it .
Or the time when you said that God can't fix the Universe either , but later contradicted yourself again . How could God not fix the Universe when he draws it ? And when according to you he can do anything and everything ?
So which one is it ?
Originally posted by King Kandy
Well, the Beyonder's have always been Apart from the rest of Marvel...
They are simply beyond.
Actually Dr Doom and FF went into and pass their Universe when they visited Post-retcon Beyonder.
So they're very much a part of Marvel
Originally posted by King Kandy
Using this logic is like saying that she is stronger then Scathan because she warped the omniverse, and he's part of the omniverse.
Scathan to me is just a Celestial with a one time power-up.
While Scathan proved to own Protege, (in the silliest manner conceivable)
Protege (a completely inexperience being who copied LT's power)
Until further notice by Marvel in another arc
or an official bio that specifies what took place & why Scathan was able to do that,
that Scathan issue isn't taken to seriously by me
as a showing that should be cemented in history.
IMO!
Originally posted by King Kandy
Anyone can see the problem here.
So you disagree, fine.
Originally posted by King Kandy
The difference is that while 616 Galactus may be the "Core" Galactus,
he doesn't share the same conscience as the others.
I never said he did, he's not a true Abstract after all.
But IMO, the true total Galactus is 616 G.
Because that's the G that's significant to the Multiverse,
and indeed, even to the Omniverse. (Prime Multiverse collapses, so does the rest)
Originally posted by King Kandy
I agree that it is plasauble that there are other Multiversal versions of Universal concepts, but it's not fact so you should remember to say that it's speculation.
I did say "logic would suggest"
I never said it was a fact.
But IMO,
it is a fact.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I see it too, also when the CC used it power to destroy and recreate the Omniverse that must have included the beyonders Dimension as well,
With their own power? I doubt it.
Originally posted by Utrigita
if the simply isn't like you say KK like the LT beyond.
BeyonderS are within the Cross Roads of Infinity,
easily accessed through the Negative Zone.
Doom and the FF already been there.
Originally posted by Mr Master
With their own power? I doubt it.BeyonderS are within the Cross Roads of Infinity,
easily accessed through the Negative Zone.Doom and the FF already been there.
You statement is HoM Wanda blasted the omniverse to shrets and then rebuild it. We then have a CC doing exactly the same thing. Now why would on of the incidents include the beyonders Dimensions when the other doesn't, that is the way I read you statement.
The CC has already on it's own destroyed and remaked the omniverse and again its but a fraction of the Beyonders powers. My only explanation to why they didn't stop the CC ore the Chaos Wave was because they didn't wanted to / wasn't allowed to intere with anything outside there own Dimension without LT having allowed it.
Els Jasper would never had allowed to Warp the omniverse if the beyonders disapproved. (looking into the future that was canceled)
Scan please???
Originally posted by Utrigita
I find that highly unlike Master and I hope you do too.
It was a thought,
and I don't find it highly unlikely.
(Toaa/god can create a story about anything he/they want)
Even their Avatar getting stomped ... just look at the Impossible Man.
Roma clearly stated that the Wave would collapse the farthest reaches of imagination,
from the Sundered Planes to the Sublimity,
(That's all of Creation withIN the Omniverse)
Surely Roma can imagine the entire Omniverse, she guards it.
Then,
the Wave MIGHT reach the "Ascension itself" (beyond the Omniverse)
There's only one place that's been depicted outside of All Creation (Omniverse)
Marvel heaven. 🙂
So I ASKED! (As in a pondering thought)
Did Wanda threaten Toaa? (I never made an absolute or definitive claim)
Originally posted by Utrigita
Well we also know that there power has destroyed and recreated the omniverse, that must include there own dimension as well and they didn't do anything about it they just observed.
You've brought it up so many times, I've done some investigating.
I can't find any evidence of any kind making that specific cross-over Canon.
Went through crazy Bios, Official sites, On Panel (Iron Man) issues,
nada.
In fact, the incident isn't even mentioned anywhere ... anywhere at all.
I only have accepted it,
because in the "Chaos Engine Trilogy" a Cube threatened the Omniverse.
(It never actually destroyed the Omniverse though)
But after reviewing the "Chaos Engine's" specifics,
I realized that Cube was not going to "remake" or "destroy" the Omniverse on it's own,
what the Cube did, was going to collapse the Omniverse in a chain reaction.
What did it do?
It created 3 UniverseS from scratch,
it stacked those 3 Universe on top of 616,
this cause an unbalance so great,
that the Omniverse was about to collapse because of it.
While definitely impressive,
it's not quite the same thing as re-ordering All Reality like the Cube in the Cross-Over did.
Originally posted by Utrigita
It's that also the only time where the Beyonders have been "seen" being active towards anything in the 616 pime universe.
That's the only time that I've seen their Power being harnessed directly from their Universe,
to interfere in a dilemma withIN 616.
Originally posted by Utrigita
If I get a CC and step up to the Chaos Wave would you then say that the Beyonders indirectly interered?
No.
because a Cube takes on a life of it's own.
It is only created by a minute % of their power,
but once it enters the Prime Multiverse, it is self sufficient.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Again the only potion of the power of the beyond we have been seen harnessed is the power of a CC which leads me to believe that was the power she contained.
Cool,
I disagree.
I didn't see CC mentioned anywhere, or any reference that alluded to that.
All I see is,
"Only she can claim The Power of the Pan-Dimensional Beyond for her own"
The "Power of the Beyond" is not a CC, (a CC is a power that enters the Prime Multiverse)
The "Power of the Beyond" (is the power from where the CC gets it's juice from)
Originally posted by Utrigita
The power of a unknown amount of energy from the beyond you mean.
As you wish.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Also the Beyond could be refering to a place outside of the Omniverse hence the beyond.
Outside of the Omniverse is Marvel heaven, so I disagree.
Classic Beyonder was from Beyond, and that right outside the Multiverse.
We know though, that the Beyond the BeyonderS are in,
is withIN a Pan-Dimensional Reality called the Cross-Roads to Infinity.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I know it's a little far of mylast speculation here but it is possibly that the Ascension is perhaps the dimension of the Beyonders???
I have to disagree.
The BeyonderS are not located beyond the Omniverse.
Their withIn a lightless Universe within the Cross Roads of Infinity,
accessed through the Negative Zone (Doom & the FF once passed by it)
Originally posted by Utrigita
You statement is HoM Wanda blasted the omniverse to shrets and then rebuild it.We then have a CC doing exactly the same thing.
Originally posted by Mr Master
You've brought it up so many times, I've done some investigating.I can't find any evidence of any kind making that specific cross-over Canon.
Went through crazy Bios, Official sites, On Panel (Iron Man) issues,
nada.In fact, the incident isn't even mentioned anywhere ... anywhere at all.
I only have accepted it,
because in the "Chaos Engine Trilogy" a Cube threatened the Omniverse.
(It never actually destroyed the Omniverse though)But after reviewing the "Chaos Engine's" specifics,
I realized that Cube was not going to "remake" or "destroy" the Omniverse on it's own,
what the Cube did, was going to collapse the Omniverse in a chain reaction.What did it do?
It created 3 UniverseS from scratch,
it stacked those 3 Universe on top of 616,
this cause an unbalance so great,
that the Omniverse was about to collapse because of it.While definitely impressive,
it's not quite the same thing as re-ordering All Reality like the Cube in the Cross-Over did.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Now why would on of the incidents include the beyonders Dimensions when the other doesn't, that is the way I read you statement.
Considering that it happened at all (as in it being canon)
which now I'm beginning to question, thanx to your consistency.
To answer your question,
simply because one power is of the Beyonders themselves,
while Wanda, is a completely disconnected entity from the BeyonderS.
Yes, the Cubes take on a life of their own,
but their power is still derived from the BeyonderS.
Originally posted by Utrigita
The CC has already on it's own destroyed and remaked the omniverse and again its but a fraction of the Beyonders powers.
Originally posted by Mr Master
You've brought it up so many times, I've done some investigating.I can't find any evidence of any kind making that specific cross-over Canon.
Went through crazy Bios, Official sites, On Panel (Iron Man) issues,
nada.In fact, the incident isn't even mentioned anywhere ... anywhere at all.
Originally posted by Utrigita
My only explanation to why they didn't stop the CC ore the Chaos Wave was because they didn't wanted to / wasn't allowed to intere with anything outside there own Dimension without LT having allowed it.
Cool,
imo based on the On Panel depictions/evidence,
Meggan harnessed their power,
and it wasn't enough to even stall the Wave for more than a moment.
The CC is not recognized by Marvel as having destoryed the Omniverse:
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe
(Only 4 incidents are recognized, and the CC is Not one of them)
And unless you can produce evidence that states,
"the BeyonderS are not allowed to interfere" (or something that alludes to that)
I have to disagree with your explanantion.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Els Jasper would never had allowed to Warp the omniverse if the beyonders disapproved. (looking into the future that was canceled)Scan please???
I have no idea what this means.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
To Mr Master .You seem to use certain things to suit your case ,
and due to this I have a question of your view on a thing .
How do you view the One Above All ?
The Real world writers ?
or
A character depicted as writing the stories taking place in Marvel similar to how a real world writer does yet not being the real world writer ?
or
That the F4 just percieved him as being a writer with human appearence ?
Or something else ?
Because , it's like you contradict yourself every time you talk about this .
Take this for example :
So if God actually writes everything that takes place and is in control of everything then how can he be :
How could Wanda threaten TOAA when according to you he made her do everything she did , and that she is just a drawing on a piece of paper for him ?
I'm not even going to include the several times you mentioned that Thanos has God's power yet he couldn't fix the Universe without destroying it .
Or the time when you said that God can't fix the Universe either ,
but later contradicted yourself again .How could God not fix the Universe when he draws it ?
And when according to you he can do anything and everything ?
So which one is it ?
I'll address this once, and then you'll be added to my ignore list,
your agenda is quite apparent from you opening statement:
"You seem to use certain things to suit your case"
Instead of just being a human being and asking a question,
you have to begin with this gibberish.
You been trolling after me for a while,
and while it's been comical for the most part,
your attempts at besmirching my name have reached that point
(where it's time to ignore)
So,
you popped this nonsense up and said,
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
it's like you contradict yourself every time you talk about this .Take this for example :
ANYTHING and EVERYTHING!"
Yea it seems that way when you cleverly crop my post,
to make it seem as though that's All I said.
Same ploy you pulled before, what a spiteful child. 😆
Now let's look at that ENTIRE Post shall we:
Originally posted by Mr MasterWell God/Toaa wrote the story that way
.
(I always maintained it's just pictures and words on a piece of paper to them)I guess we can finally end the debate which asks,
"can God create a rock he can't lift?"
In this fictional world called Marvel, evidently ✅
That's a representation of power! Power absolute .. in the Universe of Comics.
Read what I wrote above.
God/Toaa created a story called The End: Marvel where Thanos became them.
God/Toaa could've made a story where they get pwnd.
God/Toaa could've made a story about anything,
because it's just a story they make themselves .You see?
It's like if You Nvr, (human being)
came up with a make believe Universe in your mind
and decided to draw what you imagined on paper.Then what you're creating on paper becomes Reality somewhere.
Many characters, many Worlds, many stories.
To you it's just a story with artistic illustrations on paper,
but to the drawings on that paper, it's a World,
a Universe an Omniverse that's real.You decide one day to draw a "representation" of yourself (Kirby avatar)
to actually imagine yourself interacting with your own designs.But since you are the one writing what they're gonna say,
you're actually interacting with yourself.Would it really mean that the Real You (human being)
is not in control of Your own designs
because you drew a story where your "Avatar" had limits?Of course not,
it's just a fantasy story drawn on paper
and ultimately means absolutely nothing in comparison to You,
the Real Human being who actually created it all for entertainment to begin with.Toaa/God is a character in Marvel that can literally do anything or be anything,
Win, Lose is doesn't matter,
because God/Toaa is always in control of everything and anything that happens.
Because God/Toaa create everything and anything that happens.ANYTHING and EVERYTHING!.
I don't know what else to tell you or show you,
but that's about my last explanation/analogy I can think of. 🙂
Now you can return with an excuse or a rant or whatever you socks do.
But it will be ignored,
and the serious debaters that have class and enter this thread,
will be noted to do the same.
Originally posted by Galan007
And I just noticed that Dark Phoenix was infected in that scan as well --
[Dark Phoenix > Weak Galactus].
I wonder if the Zombies overtook that Alternate Phoenix by force,
that would mean that Alternate Weak G > that Alternate Dark Phoenix.
Since it was that Alternate weak G's power they had.
Thought provoking.
But still ... the List > Dark Phoenix 😏
Remember,
at the bottom of the list are the Universal Alternate Abstracts.
(to avoid complication I stopped it there, cause it gets merky below that)
The Phoenix Force is a Universal Force of nature (in 616)
(And it can definitely destroy any Alternate/divergent Universe)
But it has never proven to be able to harm/alter, destroy or re-create Eternity 616.
(those that can do that, earn a special kind of Respect)
Originally posted by Galan007
Also,Was it just me, or was Roma's ability to completely rebuild the previously destroyed CN under 48 hours time, pretty damn impressive?
I mean she totally reconstructed a device which can, for all intents and purposes, destroy the Omniverse..... In less than 2 days.
Indeed.
We sleep on Roma cause she doesn't have many engaging feats,
and she even seems to get owned sometimes.
But imo, that's just the way she likes to set things up,
a master manipulator like her trainer and father Merlyn.
Look at Merlyn for instance,
he knew Jaspers was an anomaly of power even greater than his,
and yet, he always knew exactly how to defeat Jaspers (without ever knowing his weakness)
Or did he?
(considering that he and even Roma have complete control of Time, perhaps he did)
But then again,
it's probably a shady mirror trying to pry into the Future
of a Reality Warper's personal Timeline
(since the Warper can alter that Timeline with a thought)
When it comes to these Two though (Merlyn & Roma)
one can never tell.
Originally posted by Mr MasterNah,
I wonder if the Zombies overtook that Alternate Phoenix by force,
that would mean that Alternate Weak G > that Alternate Dark Phoenix.
Since it was that Alternate weak G's power they had.Thought provoking.
The Zombies obtained Galactus's power, period -- Just because they obtained it when G was weak, doesn't mean that it didn't increase as they fed. [That is afterall how Galactus's power, when modified to suit the hunger of Zombies, works].
And all they would have had to do in regards to infecting Phoenix, is get close enough to merely scratch her -- That's all it takes for the Scourge to take over. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr MasterI know!
Indeed.We sleep on Roma cause she doesn't have many engaging feats,
and she even seems to get owned sometimes.But imo, that's just the way she likes to set things up,
a master manipulator like her trainer and father Merlyn.Look at Merlyn for instance,
he knew Jaspers was an anomaly of power even greater than his,
and yet, he always knew exactly how to defeat Jaspers (without ever knowing his weakness)
Or did he?
(considering that he and even Roma have complete control of Time, perhaps he did)
But then again,
it's probably a shady mirror trying to pry into the Future
of a Reality Warper's personal Timeline
(since the Warper can alter that Timeline with a thought)When it comes to these Two though (Merlyn & Roma)
one can never tell.
I was just amazed by the significance of her rebuilding such a powerful weapon, in that short of a time.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Considering that it happened at all (as in it being canon)
which now I'm beginning to question, thanx to your consistency.To answer your question,
simply because one power is of the Beyonders themselves,
while Wanda, is a completely disconnected entity from the BeyonderS.Yes, the Cubes take on a life of their own,
but their power is still derived from the BeyonderS.Cool,
imo based on the On Panel depictions/evidence,
Meggan harnessed their power,
and it wasn't enough to even stall the Wave for more than a moment.The CC is not recognized by Marvel as having destoryed the Omniverse:
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe
(Only 4 incidents are recognized, and the CC is Not one of them)
And unless you can produce evidence that states,
"the BeyonderS are not allowed to interfere" (or something that alludes to that)I have to disagree with your explanantion.
I have no idea what this means.
You are beginning to question what to be exact???
Also even if the CC didn't destroy and remake the OmniverseS (as KK mentioned in page 139 I believe) then it was still capable of causing the destruction of the Omniverse.
True. But I still see no reason why the difference if a minute fraction of there power could cause the Omniverse to collapse, then there own Dimension would go down the drain too, I see no reason why CC destroying the Omniverse < Wanda destroying it.
Yet again we doesn't know the exact potion of power she harnessed and based on other showings she most likely harnessed the power of a CC.
And until you can proof the contrary allow me to disagree with you 🙂
It was a reference to Jasper warping the omniverse (the future that was cancelled "I see a Universe eaten alive by Chaos" and so forth, still the Beyonders Dimension was included and yet they didn't do anything hence my reason for saying that they never intefere without permission.
Scan of the Beyonders Dimension.
Okay Enough spamming I think I have maked my points in regards to HoM Wanda > Beyonders.
We are beginning to circle each other.
Originally posted by Utrigita
You are beginning to question what to be exact???
The feat in the Cross-over.
I don't want to,
but after noticing it's not mentioned anywhere,
not in a bio, an official site, an on panel reference,
I have to wonder.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Also even if the CC didn't destroy and remake the OmniverseS (as KK mentioned in page 139 I believe) then it was still capable of causing the destruction of the Omniverse.
Indeed.
And that's established by Marvel as being 100% canon.
Originally posted by Utrigita
True. But I still see no reason why the difference if a minute fraction of there power could cause the Omniverse to collapse, then there own Dimension would go down the drain too,
It's plausible, I'll give you that, because the collapse (chain reaction style)
is not a direct application of the Cube's power,
so yea, I may have to agree with this.
Originally posted by Utrigita
I see no reason why CC destroying the Omniverse < Wanda destroying it.
Because Wanda, like THOTI, like the Alien Entity, like Genis/Entropy,
actually folded the Omniverse directly.
They willed it, and so all of Marvel collapsed.
In the case of the CCU being able to do it in a chain reaction style,
the Cube does not affect the Omniverse as a whole,
it affects the main Reality (616) and because of this,
causes an imbalance that leads to an Omniversal collapse.
See there's a difference,
because the Cube has to take steps to collapse the Omniverse.
If we give this feat, the same status as what the other 4 did,
then we also have to give,
the Impossible Man in Excalibur #14 the same credit.
the 4 Gems (Power-Soul-Space-Mind) in the Ultraforce/Avengers arc.
Captain America in the 1602 arc.
All these cats could've collapsed the Omniverse inadvertently.
Not by a direct application of their power (Captain America, hello)
But by the imbalance they caused for one reason or another.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Yet again we doesn't know the exact potion of power she harnessed and based on other showings she most likely harnessed the power of a CC.And until you can proof the contrary allow me to disagree with you
You're right, I don't know exactly how much she harnessed.
But I can assure you it had nothing to do with a CCU
(that would've at the very least, been alluded to, and it wasn't)
Imo, the only allusion is her harnessing the Power of the BeyonderS themselves.
And you disagree, and that's fine.
You're a respectable poster and I appreciate that. 🙂
Originally posted by Utrigita
It was a reference to Jasper warping the omniverse (the future that was cancelled "I see a Universe eaten alive by Chaos" and so forth, still the Beyonders Dimension was included and yet they didn't do anything hence my reason for saying that they never intefere without permission.
Or, maybe they knew he'd be stopped
and they didn't need to.
You have a good point, but this one is a toss up,
and nothing can be proven one way or another.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Scan of the Beyonders Dimension.
Here's the Shaper of Worlds telling us about them:
BeyonderS are in a "Lightless Universe"
within the Negative Zone:
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(This is from the Same issue)
Here's Dr Doom & the FF traveling through the Negative Zone:
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Once of the Universes they entered and passed by in the Negative Zone was:
"a Lightless Universe"
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Originally posted by Utrigita
Okay Enough spamming I think I have maked my points in regards to HoM Wanda > Beyonders.We are beginning to circle each other.
Actually you're not spamming at all.
We're having a healthy and respectable discussion. (that's a good thing) ✅
Spammers can't deal with being wrong so they just continue to post gibberish,
even though they've been proven wrong.
They repetitively post crap that's been stomped,
cause of the pain they suffer from being proven wrong.
Trolls just hate others having a sensible debate others can enjoy,
so they do everything possible to be annoying, irrelevant,
and pointless in their posts, this way mucking up the thread.
Socks are the worse,
these cats are scorned individuals
that harbor an itch because of a past spanking you might've gave one.
These cats are dangerous, cause they're usually smart,
and can easily deceive innocent onlookers with massive horse bull,
fallacies, and direct attempts at discrediting the poster whose right and
has other posters agreeing with him.
This is usually due to envy/jealousy and a sense of self-wothlessness in the forum,
so they try to make a name for themselves in this despicable manner.
But you're none of the above Utrigita.
With respect and focus you're simply making your case,
and I will always oblige in the same manner. 🙂
