Originally posted by Galan007
Fury-Prime takes over MJJ, [this astounded me]:
Atleast they didn't make a mockery of Jaspers by leaving it where it was last issue,
I knew Jaspers hadn't lost, I knew he would rise and laugh after his pummeling,
that's what he does as I stated earlier.
Anyhow, nice scans G.
I'm also glad they kept it oldschool,
where ONLY the original Fury (Prime) is able to beat Jaspers. ✅
(just like old times it was immune to Jaspers' power)
Anyhow, one more issue to go, and then the finality of it all,
Merlyn, classic Fury, Cap and the Sword? Who knows but yiahoooo! sounds cool.
And is this really the original Jaspers, or a copy, or something else? hm
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=r4tn4.jpg
This raises some questions about what the celestials really are IMO.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I would love to, unfortunately I still don't have that arc scanned, it's a tuffy to find.All I have is Marvel's official references and descriptions of the event:
http://www.marveldirectory.com/miscellaneous/cosmiccube.htm
Doom demanded the Cube change the universe to match his dreams,
but this nascent (Infant) Cube could not enact such massive change,
and instead found a universe similar to Doom's desires, Earth-892,
and overlaid that onto Doom's universe (Earth-616).The overlapping universes created great instability,
and had the side-effect of chronically draining both Doom and the Cube,
aging them at an accelerated rate.Omniversal guardian Roma observed the destabilization,
and sent Earth-616's X-Men (who had been briefly outside their own universe) to investigate.They failed to stop Doom, and instead the mutant Magneto gained control of the Cube,
and laid yet another universe on top of the pair in answer to Magneto's dreams.Matters worsened when Earth-616's Red Skull, who had re-formed
and had been observing the chaos from a Catholite protected base on the moon,
stole the Cube
and laid yet a fourth reality on top of the others.However, the X-Men pursued the Skull.
.....................................................................................A single Cosmic Cube has "affected" and nearly destroyed the Omniverse before,
even Roma was involved:So it's no surprise the Cosmic Cube was able to Re-Write the Omniverse in the X-O crossover.
.....................................................................................http://www.marvunapp.com/master/chaochaz.htm
CHAOS ENGINE -
"Cosmic Cube created by Dr. Doom, used in effort to Re-Write Reality,
actually merged Earth-616 and Earth-892 to form
Earth-Chaos Engine: Dr. Doom by Dr. Doom,then used to further merge/Re-structure that Reality by Magneto
to form Earth-Chaos Engine: Magneto,and then again by the Red Skull to form Earth-Chaos Engine: Red Skull;
[B]these alterations affected the entire Omniverse and threatened all Reality
."(Reference)
X-Men / Dr. Doom: Chaos Engine: Book One)
(X-Men / Magneto: Chaos Engine: Book Two)
(X-Men / Red Skull: Chaos Engine: Book Three)
.....................................................................................Marvel.com itself accepts this as 100% Canon:
Here
http://www.marvel.com/universe/OHOTMU:Bibliography-AZ9
(under Saturnyne)
"escaped & captured Sat-Yr9
(X-Men/Magneto: The Chaos Engine Trilogy Book 2
& X-Men/Red Skull: The Chaos Engine Trilogy Book 3, 2002)"And Again Here: (Marvel.com)
http://www.marvel.com/universe/OHOTMU:Bibliography-AZ3
(Under Cosmic Cube)
"Cube merged dimensions (X-Men: The Chaos Engine Trilogy, 2000-2002)"
.....................................................................................I'll keep trying to get my hands on these issues,
they must be spectacular. 🙂 [/B]
Thanks the X-O crossover you mentioned is that one canon???
Originally posted by Utrigita
This raises some questions about what the celestials really are IMO.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Thanks the X-O crossover you mentioned is that one canon???
But like I said before,
a definitively canon account took place with another single Cube
(and this one was a baby)
it was creating universeS stacking them,
and it nearly collapsed the Omniverse, Roma had to interfere.
So it's not much of a stretch to accept the events of x-o/iron-man as highly probable.
Originally posted by Utrigita
A shame would make the beyonders (next to LT) the most powerful beings in the omniverse if it was.
Imo, Beyonders are still in the top 5 of all cats in Marvel.
Originally posted by Galan007No, just more badly misusing words again...
I thought this was interesting...When Protege was attempting to usurp power of a higher level than LT himself, [the power of TOAA] -- The Hawk God referred to this power as "Ultimate Omnipotence":
That comment lends itself well to the multiple levels of omnipotence debate. 🙂
cause appearently omni doesn't mean all these days.
Originally posted by Galan007
I thought this was interesting...When Protege was attempting to usurp power of a higher level than LT himself, [the power of TOAA] -- The Hawk God referred to this power as "Ultimate Omnipotence":
That comment lends itself well to the multiple levels of omnipotence debate. 🙂
No, it shows just another misuse of the word Omnipotence. 😬
Thanos (Hotu) was said to be Omnipotent yet he is > Living Tribunal who was also said to be Omnipotent > Infinity Gauntlet (Also said to be Omnipotent).
This doesn't show that there are different levels of Omnipotence, just that the writers don't use it according to its true meaning.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I think it's interesting that a Celestial's head serves as the base
from which beings study the ends of the Omniverse.
It could indicate that the Celestial have studied the ends of the omniverse prior to him losing his head ore it being placed there by a being that needed a anchoer to study the end.
616 Iron Man and an alternate Iron Man are essential to the story,
it's listed as a crossover right next to JLA/Avengers at the Marvel site,
other than this though,
I really don't have anything more concrete like a bio reference or an on panel recollection.
I'll keep looking through my Iron Man collection, maybe I'll find something.But like I said before,
a definitively canon account took place with another single Cube
(and this one was a baby)
it was creating universeS stacking them,
and it nearly collapsed the Omniverse, Roma had to interfere.
So it's not much of a stretch to accept the events of x-o/iron-man as highly probable.[/B]
My thoughts too but if it had been 100% canon really impressive show of the beyonders powers.
Imo, Beyonders are still in the top 5 of all cats in Marvel. [/B]
Good 😄
Originally posted by CreshoskIt's a comic fact my friend -- As dumb as it may be, Marvel has 'levels of omnipotence', with TOAA's clearly being the highest 'level', [which was the reasoning behind my post].
No, just more badly misusing words again...cause appearently omni doesn't mean all these days.
And please keep in mind that we are dealing with a comic... Does logic and reason always have to apply, in a purely fictional book? ❌
Marvel could make a banana neon purple, and still call it yellow, if they so choose... So who cares if what they have established doesn't make sense, in a 'real-world' setting?
Thus concludes my debating of this subject. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
I thought this was interesting...When Protege was attempting to usurp power of a higher level than LT himself, [the power of TOAA] -- The Hawk God referred to this power as "Ultimate Omnipotence":
That comment lends itself well to the multiple levels of omnipotence debate.
Nice find G,
I agree that it once again solidifies the fact behind Marvel's levels of Omnipotence.
As clearly stated on panel during Kubik's lecture to Kosmos
concerning the levels of omnipotence between themselves and the Celestials,
and as also stated, "an infinite more" levels.
Originally posted by Galan007
It's a comic fact my friend -- As dumb as it may be, Marvel has 'levels of omnipotence', with TOAA's clearly being the highest 'level', [which was the reasoning behind my post].And please keep in mind that we are dealing with a comic... Does logic and reason always have to apply, in a purely fictional book? ❌
Marvel could make a banana neon purple, and still call it yellow, if they so choose... So who cares if what they have established doesn't make sense, in a 'real-world' setting?
Thus concludes my debating of this subject.
Originally posted by Utrigita
It could indicate that the Celestial have studied the ends of the omniverse prior to him losing his head ore it being placed there by a being that needed a anchoer to study the end.
Originally posted by Utrigita
My thoughts too but if it had been 100% canon really impressive show of the beyonders powers.
Well a single Cube has made Thanos the 616 Reality,
(power of the Multiverse, foundation of the Omniverse)
The Cube Doom had (a baby) took an entire Universe that resembled 616,
and then merged it with 616.
Then created 2 Universes from scratch and merged those with the first 2.
That's rediculously impressive, that's of Omniversal significance.
The Cube was called "God in a box" during the X Trilogy.
In fact, I have the scans here in the thread where a single shattered Cube,
was being used to make every character a god with his own reality to forfill one's dreams in.
The pieces were the size of a jolly rancher.
(cats were in a line just coming forth, getting a piece, eating it, become a god and fly away)
So the Cube has presented some pretty fascinating feats,
and when we once again take into account the fact that they represent but a minute fraction,
of the power of the BeyonderS ... ouch.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Interesting, we'll soon find out in that Nova series.
yes we will.
Well a single Cube has made Thanos the 616 Reality,
(power of the Multiverse, foundation of the Omniverse)The Cube Doom had (a baby) took an entire Universe that resembled 616,
and then merged it with 616.
Then created 2 Universes from scratch and merged those with the first 2.That's rediculously impressive, that's of Omniversal significance.
The Cube was called "God in a box" during the X Trilogy.
In fact, I have the scans here in the thread where a single shattered Cube,
was being used to make every character a god with his own reality to forfill one's dreams in.
The pieces were the size of a jolly rancher.
(cats were in a line just coming forth, getting a piece, eating it, become a god and fly away)So the Cube has presented some pretty fascinating feats,
and when we once again take into account the fact that they represent but a minute fraction,
of the power of the BeyonderS ... ouch. [/B]
Yes that powerlevel the Beyonders must have is pretty mindblowing IMO, and even more scary to think that LT is supervising these Beings.
