Originally posted by King Kandy
Marvel Universe, abreviated MU, is usely the term for everything.MU is often used to refer to the marvel Multiverse, Omniverse, whatever.
Originally posted by Horrificus
what I thought too. A while ago.
Then I found out that years ago, Mark Greunwald created the rules, and setup for the entire structure of reality. He began by developing the original Omniverse, with it's rules and setup.
Then he was hired by Marvel as Senior Continuity Director or something like that.The rules and structure he created was and is used by both DC and Marvel. Not because he was such an important boss, but because his method worked and still does.
Not true at all.
Mark Greunwald did not and does not dictate what happens in Marvel no matter how many interviews you find on the web, most of this fallacy can be found in Wiki and other bio/handbooks sites, and we just don't go by that.
What's On Panel is what counts, and that it, period.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Actually, the Marvel Universe was always 1 Universe. But, at Marvel, the Multiverse that the Marvel Universe existed in, with all the other universes and dimensions, was referred to as the "Megaverse".
Again,
more info coming from bio/handbooks or interview sites, and none of this stems from Comic Books.
Marvel has an Omni-verse which equals to an Infinite number of Infinite Multi-verses, period.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Jim Starlin was familiar with this setup, and had been working in it for years. When he said Universe, he meant universe. Unless you guys are going to start forcing your opinions over the words of the writers too now.
We just go by what On Panel information has established, and it is all in contradiction to what your finding on the net.
Honestly and respectfully,
just read more Comics concerning Cosmics, and you will quickly notice WHY we dispise handbooks/bios/ or sites that promote rogue information that's completely twisted and utterly dissconnected from what we read in actual Comic Books.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Forum members from other sites have no problem with this. It is only here, where everybody has been listening to bad info, that seems to have a problem with the details.
Well then,
just because "other forum memebers" have an idea of what Comics are all about, doesn't necessarily means it's true.
Everything I have claimed originated from On Panel evidence depicted in Marvel Comics.
If you disagree, that's fine.
But I can assure you you will not change my mind, or anyone elses that enters this particular thread.
So your words are falling on blind eyes, cause this thread is dedicated to what happens On Panel, so until you can produce On Panel Proof of your claims, they will hold NO water here.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Well, I don't know what else to do. I have shown that MM's scans do not back up his theories, and I have shown what the writer said in his own words.
You've shown no such thing friend,
you haven't directed anyone towards even ONE issue where your thories and speculaitons can be verified, except for some "interview" you found somewhere.
I on the other hand have done nothing but pump visually depicted PROOF with ALL my statements, undoubtably my hand holds the stronger argument.
Originally posted by Horrificus
I will see what else I can dig up though.
Hopefully it will be something other than interviews and bio/handbook information.
But thanx for your participation.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Not in comic's though, just the people in the real world referes to Marvel continuity.
Why would the other two terms (Multi-/Omniverse) be used in comics then?
The term "Universe" can be used and has been used in Marvel Comics to represent a "Multi-verse" before BUT, NOT an Omni-verse (so your right on that one)
Now,
the term "Multi-verse" can NOT and has NEVER been used to represent a "Universe" before.
The term Omni-verse is in a classs of it's own in Marvel Comics according to On Panel information that has been solidly established.
Originally posted by Galan007
Why does Horrificus keep spamming/arguing in [b]this thread?He couldn't keep it in the Omniverse thread or what? [/B]
We had a nasty war in his thread which is history now.
I lost my temper cause he continued to ignore and contradict the facts with his personal rendition of how the Marvel Omni-verse works, that set off a childish verbal assault (which I take blame for) but that was then and I apologized for it.
Now back to Comics,
He never had any concrete argument against all the scanned evidence I posted, and this is known to any and everyone that enters his thread.
Now, all the strength of his argument is relying on what interviews/bios/ and handbooks say, and he's completely ignoring what Marvel Comic Books have depicted as the Cosmic architecture On Panel.
I think he believes his continuous repetition of the same baselesss argument will actually sway someone in this thread, but I warned him, this thread is totally all about visual proof, so if you have none, it's like your not even posting really.
We only adhere to what the Comic Books say On Panel, and NOTHING else matters.
Originally posted by Galan007
Mr. MWhat do you think the term "Omni-reality" refers to?
Reality on an Omniversal scale.
I believe Thanos achieve that status, though he was still unable to spread his power beyond that one Multi-verse he absorbed.
Take this character called Scatterbrain of the Excalibur team,
She can give you Omniversal consciousness, but she herself cannot achieve it:
"With her touch, the Guard finds his Consciousness instantly EXPANDED Across the Infinite Breath of the OMNI-VERSE"
Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]Reality on an Omniversal scale.I believe Thanos achieve that status, though he was still unable to spread his power beyond that one Multi-verse he absorbed.
Omni = all
reality (note, not in plural: realities) = universe (still in singuler)
Omni-reality = All reality = All of the universe (not universes, as in plural)
Originally posted by Mr Master
the term "Multi-verse" can NOT and has NEVER been used to represent a "Universe" before.
The term Omni-verse is in a classs of it's own in Marvel Comics according to On Panel information that has been solidly established. [/B]
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
So he could absorb the Omniverse?
Yet ... When he absorbed all he could he just absorbed a universe ... Or the Multi-verse.
Did I say he could absorb the Omni-verse?
Exactly where did I say that?
I said I BELIEVED he achieved Omniversal awareness/consciousness, far from giving you the Power to affect the Omni-verse entire,
Captain Marvel has achieved Omniversal awareness,
Scatterbrain can make others achieve Omniversal awareness,
heck Joyboy can make a being one with the Omni-verse, but no way is he able to destroy or affect the Omni-verse.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Omni = all
reality (note, not in plural: realities) = universe (still in singuler)Omni-reality = All reality = All of the universe (not universes, as in plural)
Ok,
that's your opinion and I respect that, but I disagree.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
So you're obviously sprouting out bull shit ...
Ey dogs,
what's with the foul language?
Why you coming out your face like that, and for no reason at that?
Many times I found you making hilarious statements and I dealt with you patiently and respectfully, and I even backed you up in debates, now your turning on me like a treacherous viper.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I have to say that I havent read any series where the Omniverse have been mentioned, but from the scan's you've shown it seems to be some kind of room.
For example, the guy that stands next to the (universal destroyer-) switches.
´There isn't a single universe that cannot be destroyed by the touch of a switch´
Now would these switches be spread out all across Marvel, even beyond the Multi-verse?
Omni-verse has been mentioned in plenty of different Marvel titles:
Just to name a few:
Fantastic Four ..... CANON
X-Men .... CANON
Excalibur .... CANON
And others but I think you get the point, and the entire Captain Britain run deals with the Omni-verse continuously and is also CANON.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
That just sounds stupid ...
ANYONE being able to explode a Galaxy or even a Planet sounds stupid too, just like ANYONE erasing or even damaging an entire Universe is infinitely STUPID!
But it's Comics dogs, so take it easy there charlie.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Reality on an Omniversal scale.I believe Thanos achieve that status, though he was still unable to spread his power beyond that one Multi-verse he absorbed.
Take this character called Scatterbrain of the Excalibur team,
She can give you Omniversal consciousness, but she herself cannot achieve it:
"With her touch, the Guard finds his Consciousness instantly EXPANDED Across the Infinite Breath of the OMNI-VERSE"
what do you mean when you say omniversal conciousness? do you mean like awareness ?
Originally posted by Mr Master
Did I say he could absorb the Omni-verse?Exactly where did I say that?
I said I BELIEVED he achieved Omniversal awareness/consciousness, far from giving you the Power to affect the Omni-verse entire,
Captain Marvel has achieved Omniversal awareness,Scatterbrain can make others achieve Omniversal awareness,
heck Joyboy can make a being one with the Omni-verse, but no way is he able to destroy or affect the Omni-verse.
Ok,that's your opinion and I respect that, but I disagree. [/B]
It would be different if it said, omni-realities or all realities.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Ey dogs,what's with the foul language?
Why you coming out your face like that, and for no reason at that?
Many times I found you making hilarious statements and I dealt with you patiently and respectfully, and I even backed you up in debates, now your turning on me like a treacherous viper.
Omni-verse has been mentioned in plenty of different Marvel titles:
Just to name a few:
Fantastic Four ..... CANON
X-Men .... CANON
Excalibur .... CANON
And others but I think you get the point, and the entire Captain Britain run deals with the Omni-verse continuously and is also CANON.
ANYONE being able to explode a Galaxy or even a Planet sounds stupid too, just like ANYONE erasing or even damaging an entire Universe is infinitely STUPID!But it's Comics dogs, so take it easy there charlie.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
So he was one with everything in the "Omniverse" or rather, everything in the Omniverse was a part of him ...
Yet he couldent absorb everything? -- He couldent pull himself together?
I see your beginning to make circles, I'll put it this way and this should settle it:
When Thanos with THOTI (TOAA'S Power) reaches Omni-Reality he says,
"My Consciousness reached out to embrace the INFINITE no mere words can describe the sensation of being ONE with ALL"
"I was EVERYTHING, bonded to OMNI-REALITY"
NOW, Thanos is in AWE of the feeling he's receiving from being ONE with EVERYTHING right,
Fine,
If Thanos is JUST bonding with ONE Universe as YOU SAY, WHY would Thanos be so AMAZED by what he is feeling IF he has bonded with ONE Universe before?
Thanos became ETERNITY (EVERYTHING in A UNIVERSE) with the Infinity Gauntlet
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
*Yawn* --- Are they [B]one with everything in "omni-reality"? [/B]
Don't know how your yawn comes into play, but are your going to debate or get comical?
I just showed you Scatterbrain EXPANDING some guards Consciousness across the Omni-verse in an instant, (On Panel) and your going to contradict that?
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
No it's not my opinin, it's fact's.
Omni[Greek]: All
Reality and realities are two different things ...
Omni-reality = All reality = All of one universe.
For each reality is a universe.
It would be different if it said, omni-realities or all realities.
I think I addressed this above with the Thanos scans.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Cause it was never mentioned ... Yet you're claiming it.
How is this nonsense?
"the term "Multi-verse" can NOT and has NEVER been used to represent a "Universe" before."
What's your proof?
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
And "sprouting out bullshit" I wouldent call that foul language ...
It's disresepctful and unnecessary, especially when you have nothing to contradict what I'm saying.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
So with the Ultimate Nullifier you can become the most powerful being in the Omniverse now? -- Hmm.
You said you haven't seen other titles where the term "OMNI-VERSE" has been MENTIONED, so I posted OTHER TITLES besides Captain Britains that MENTION the OMNI-VERSE.
Whether Susan Richards (Nebula) is hyperboling or not is inconsequential, the point is the OMNI-VERSE was RECOGNIZED in a CANON issue of Fantastic Four.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I was talking about how the guy standing next to a couple of switches and said that the other couldent hide from him because there are (in the omniverse) switches that could destroy all unverses.
So basicly, there could be switches in the "6743647236427846 universe" as well?
I know what you were talking about, and like I said,
you find it silly that the Omniversal Tribune can erase any Universe in the Omni-verse, while I find it funny that there are beings that can blow up Planets and Galaxies and more.
But it's Comics, (you know, a fantastical World made up by the human mind) so I except it.
Originally posted by invisiblewoman
wow . . . thats interesting! so she cant achieve it but she can give it to others? so does she have any other powers that are a benifit to herself ? or is she selfless
Actually that's just her power,
she can give but can't receive.
Actually it's a deadly power, by no means think she is being selfless.
That guard wasn't happy with the result of reaching Omniversal Awareness in an instant, in fact, his brain was fried.
