Originally posted by King Kandy
the only evedence either way is one quote... Which puts MM infinitly above Horrificus, since 1 is infinitly above the zero he has supplied.
I saw the word several more times than once, but I agree Masters got the better of Horrificus by far it wasn't even a competition in my opinion.
Continuity of the structure of all Universes, Multiverses and the Omniverse is based on the details put for by Mark Gruenwald.
What he created has been followed ever since.
DC and Marvel are separate Multiverses within 1 Omniverse.
In 1985, the DC Multiverse was reduced to 1 Universe, but since then, other DC Offshoots have been developing.
There is a Captain UK for Every Universe. Not Multiverse. Roma is an Omniversal Guardian, but not in the sense that she rules over the Omniverse. “Omniverse” is also used in the sense of “including all universes”, not just the label of the large, all-encompassing field holding all Multiverses. And, she is far from the most powerful being in the Multiverse. She is more of an Administrator at a Police Station.
She is actually from 1 Earth, in 1 Universe. She does not transcend the Marvel Multiverse, but is from a Dimension within it, called Otherworld.
If she did transcend the Marvel Universe, according to the creator of the Marvel and DC universal structure, she would also be in charge of DC Universe.
I would not normally refer a debate to a Wiki site, but in this case, I am familiar with the texts that have been used to obtain the conclusions at the links below.
The books and handbooks are listed on these sites, but I would be glad to list them for you elsewhere.
Please, for sanity’s sake, stop listening to Mr. Master. Because, Mr. Master listens to the voices in his head.
Marvel Multiverse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_%28Marvel_Comics%29
DC Multiverse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_%28DC_Comics%29
Alternate Earths, as per Mark Gruenwald
http://www.marvunapp.com/list/appalte.htm
Sorry I confused you guys.
My point is that, not every time the word "Omniverse" gets used in a story, is it referring to THE Omniverse.
Galactus, Impossible Man, Roma, Captain UK, none of the characters are at a level where they are acting on an Omniversal Level, can Threaten on an Omniversal Level, or in most cases, even a Multiversal Level.
According to Marvel Continuity, there is a Marvel Multiverse. And it floats in an Omniverse that holds ALL comic book companies, for example.
Galactus, Impossible Man, etc, are not on that level. If they were, they could just step right on into the DC Multiverse.
Omniverse has also been used as a term describing all the universes within the Marvel Multiverse.
Oh, and sorry about the cheap paint shop thingie. You don't really expect me to take more time than I have to, just to show you a stupid map, did you? We are only talking about comic books.
Dorks.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Continuity of the structure of all Universes, Multiverses and the Omniverse is based on the details put for by Mark Gruenwald.
What he created has been followed ever since.
DC and Marvel are separate Multiverses within 1 Omniverse.
In 1985, the DC Multiverse was reduced to 1 Universe, but since then, other DC Offshoots have been developing.
There is a Captain UK for Every Universe. Not Multiverse. Roma is an Omniversal Guardian, but not in the sense that she rules over the Omniverse. “Omniverse” is also used in the sense of “including all universes”, not just the label of the large, all-encompassing field holding all Multiverses. And, she is far from the most powerful being in the Multiverse. She is more of an Administrator at a Police Station.
She is actually from 1 Earth, in 1 Universe. She does not transcend the Marvel Multiverse, but is from a Dimension within it, called Otherworld.
If she did transcend the Marvel Universe, according to the creator of the Marvel and DC universal structure, she would also be in charge of DC Universe.
I would not normally refer a debate to a Wiki site, but in this case, I am familiar with the texts that have been used to obtain the conclusions at the links below.
The books and handbooks are listed on these sites, but I would be glad to list them for you elsewhere.
Please, for sanity’s sake, stop listening to Mr. Master. Because, Mr. Master listens to the voices in his head.Marvel Multiverse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_%28Marvel_Comics%29DC Multiverse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_%28DC_Comics%29Alternate Earths, as per Mark Gruenwald
http://www.marvunapp.com/list/appalte.htmSorry I confused you guys.
Sorry but even I know better than go looking for information in Wikipedia, if this is the base of your argument you will not be making any fans anytime soon, believe me I know.
I also think you should stop insulting Masters when he did such a impressive job not only in this thread but in the one you started also.
I think you should just let it go.
Great job Masters!
Originally posted by unknowable
Sorry but even I know better than go looking for information in Wikipedia, if this is the base of your argument you will not be making any fans anytime soon, believe me I know.
I also think you should stop insulting Masters when he did such a impressive job not only in this thread but in the one you started also.
I think you should just let it go.Great job Masters!
Funny, it didn't seem like anybody else was jumping into his camp in my thread.
Oh, and by the way, if you would have taken the time, you would have seen that it isn't the wiki site, for the most part, that I was pointing out.
It was the sources they used.
Are you really going to take MM's opinion of something, over the actual writers and Marvel continuity?
It's called READING BEFORE SPEAKING. Try it.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Dude let it go. Your unwillingly to give up on the Marvel+DC=Omniverse theory is hindiring the progress of the system.
OK.
I give up.
MM is right.
All the characters listed by MM, all have power enough to effect the Omniverse.
OK?
If I read that Dare Devil took a dump, and destroyed half the Omniverse, I will accept it, and disregard everything else that has ever, ir is being written.
"Hmmmmm... that was a Dump of Omniversal Power!"
OK?
Originally posted by King Kandy
Dude let it go. Your unwillingly to give up on the Marvel+DC=Omniverse theory is hindiring the progress of the system.
I've simply decided to ignore him.
I also encourage anyone who enters this thread to do so,
if we respond to him, he'll believe he's making an impact and he'll continue to smother the thread with wiki and handbooks as a source of evidence instead of the Comic Books themselves.
Originally posted by King Kandy
He sHOULD make an impact.Thbe omniversal map is a goal we should all get behind.
Please homie,
if you want to continue that, PLEASE do it in his thread, and keep it OUT OF HERE!!!!
The Omniversal Architecture has been thoroughly examined and meticulously figured out, based on Panal EVIDENCE and Panel EVIDENCE ALONE.
Right here:
I'm not interested in the slightest of warping what has been established by Marvel.
Period.
If he EVER brings up issues in COMIC BOOKS to back his statements up, I'll listen, otherwise, theories and philosophical speculation is NOT for this thread.
On Panel or nothing baby...
Originally posted by Mr Master
Please homie,if you want to continue that, PLEASE do it in his thread, and keep it OUT OF HERE!!!!
The Omniversal Architecture has been thoroughly examined and meticulously figured out, based on Panal EVIDENCE and Panel EVIDENCE ALONE.
Right here:
I'm not interested in the slightest of warping what has been established by Marvel.
Period.
If he EVER brings up issues in COMIC BOOKS to back his statements up, I'll listen, otherwise, theories and philosophical speculation is NOT for this thread.
On Panel or nothing baby...
Thanos destroyed THE Marvel Universe, and then brought it back. Not a Multiverse, or multiple Mutiverses.
People who are constantly throwing Starlin's words around, should at least be sure of what they are saying.
Interview with Starlin:
http://www.adelaidecomicsandbooks.com/starlin.htm
"Along the way, Starlin has written some of the most controversial comic books of the last 25 years. Starting with his Death Of Captain Marvel, the first ever graphic novel published by Marvel, through to the death of the second Robin in the pages of Batman, Starlin has worn the mantle of the killer of characters. To this end, he took it to its (logical?) conclusion recently by slaughtering the entire Marvel Universe, only to have the bringer of death, Thanos, sacrifice himself to bring life back to the MU. "
Here, Jim says “The rest of the Universe.” Nothing about “Multiverses.”
JS: Well, that was the challenge. To start off with is the fact that I did sort of leave him as either he was dead, or he’d just gone through something that no other character in the universe had ever done. And so I opted for the latter and when he was, basically he was God, it never said that he was actually going to go and die; he just said that was it. And, as a result, he put himself back together, along with the rest of the universe, but has gone through a bit of an epiphany while he was at it. And the series starts off finding Thanos deciding that it hasn’t worked being a conqueror and all that, so he’s going to give the lighter side of life a little bit of a shot. Try and be a good guy. But, of course, he’s Thanos, so, well you can just imagine how well that’s going to work. <laughter>
Originally posted by King Kandy
Marvel Universe, abreviated MU, is usely the term for everything.MU is often used to refer to the marvel Multiverse, Omniverse, whatever.
That's what I thought too. A while ago.
Then I found out that years ago, Mark Greunwald created the rules, and setup for the entire structure of reality. He began by developing the original Omniverse, with it's rules and setup.
Then he was hired by Marvel as Senior Continuity Director or something like that.
The rules and structure he created was and is used by both DC and Marvel. Not because he was such an important boss, but because his method worked and still does.
Actually, the Marvel Universe was always 1 Universe. But, at Marvel, the Multiverse that the Marvel Universe existed in, with all the other universes and dimensions, was referred to as the "Megaverse".
Jim Starlin was familiar with this setup, and had been working in it for years. When he said Universe, he meant universe. Unless you guys are going to start forcing your opinions over the words of the writers too now.
Forum members from other sites have no problem with this. It is only here, where everybody has been listening to bad info, that seems to have a problem with the details.
Well, I don't know what else to do. I have shown that MM's scans do not back up his theories, and I have shown what the writer said in his own words. I will see what else I can dig up though.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Throwing 75 scans onto a page does nothing.
No map. A bunch of disconnected scans.
And, even your interpretations of some of them are incorrect.
You guess, and give opinions, and the things you say go against what the panels show, and the characters state.
And, I still have not seen you admit to ANY mistakes.
That makes you a liar AND stupid... Excellent combination!
I disagree with every word in this post.
You have proven nothing to the contrary, you've only posted empty opinions and claims that are not even a part of Marvel.
And I'll appreciate you using a less hostile tone, I already calmed the storm, lets see if we can act in the future with a mutual respect towards all.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Thanos destroyed THE Marvel Universe, and then brought it back. Not a Multiverse, or multiple Mutiverses.People who are constantly throwing Starlin's words around, should at least be sure of what they are saying.[B]Interview with Starlin:
"Along the way, Starlin has written some of the most controversial comic books of the last 25 years. Starting with his Death Of Captain Marvel, the first ever graphic novel published by Marvel, through to the death of the second Robin in the pages of Batman, Starlin has worn the mantle of the killer of characters. To this end, he took it to its (logical?) conclusion recently by slaughtering the entire Marvel Universe, only to have the bringer of death, Thanos, sacrifice himself to bring life back to the MU. "Here, Jim says “The rest of the Universe.” Nothing about “Multiverses.”:[/B] Well, that was the challenge. To start off with is the fact that I did sort of leave him as either he was dead, or he’d just gone through something that no other character in the universe had ever done. And so I opted for the latter and when he was, basically he was God, it never said that he was actually going to go and die; he just said that was it. And, as a result, he put himself back together, along with the rest of the universe, but has gone through a bit of an epiphany while he was at it. And the series starts off finding Thanos deciding that it hasn’t worked being a conqueror and all that, so he’s going to give the lighter side of life a little bit of a shot. Try and be a good guy. But, of course, he’s Thanos, so, well you can just imagine how well that’s going to work. <laughter> [/B]
None of this is consequential,
the term "Universe" can be eaily interpreted as "Multi-verse: in Marvel, I've proven this already.
Here's a quick example:
"and where ONE ETERNITY would ensure a BOUNDLESS Universe, a MULTI-ETERNITY would ensure a BOUNDLESS MULTI-VERSE"
The embodiment of the MULTI-VERSE is introduced as "Multi-Eternity"...
Now in this same ARC, the MULTI-VERSE is referred to as just "Eternity" (which usually stands for a Single Universe)
Multi-Eternity called Eternity by Reed
"What was revealed to me through the Cosmic Entity known as ETERNITY"
