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Originally posted by King Kandy
AE for all three. But there's no power involved here,
even in the last feat he's simply using the universes natural power.

Why would the Omniverse disappear
simply because the AE decided to travbel back in time?

Are you suggesting that any time traveller can fold the Omniverse,
if they decide to visit that point in time?

I think not ... or, I hope that's not what you're saying.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Actually it pretty much did appear out of nowhere when they asked the Question. Even read Richards was confused since it just appeared.
Then AE says that it came from within him (since he asked the question).

dontgetit

Below, we clearly see the "Spark" came from withIN the AE,
not from nowhere.

Originally posted by King Kandy
If Reed Richards asked the question instead of AE,
he would have had the spark appear.

Interesting, because according to on panel evidence, (which you saw)
the question was burning in both of them, not just the AE:

Originally posted by King Kandy
[B]Right.
But you agree that prior to fusing with the Omniverse AE displayed no real power.

Then the power up comes into the picture,
now merged, the AE is able to re-create Marvel using Reed's mind as reference.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Right. But you agree that prior to fusing with the Omniverse
AE displayed no real power.

Did the AE have the power to create Marvel without merging?

Nah.

Was the AE powerless before merging with the Omniverse?

Far from it. (AE was able to fold back all of it)

Originally posted by llagrok
It's nice to see Mr.M put Xplosive in his place.

No, he didn't succeed at all in out last conversation. As GalacticStorm said, Mr. Master sometimes takes scenes too literally. And if something he doesn't like, it's a PLOT DEVICE.

And if you knew, Mr Master said to mention at least 5 cats, I mentioned more cats to be more powerful than Abraxas. Mr Master never said currently, only not pre-retcon and artifacts. I mentioned more than five, easily.

Welcome back, GS. Long time no see.

As I can see, GS put Mr Master in place about AE.

GS, where you put now Phoenix Force?

Happy New Year!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What is all of this omniverse talk?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
616 is the only relevant dimension to this story.

Yes, 616 is the prime universe however by creating 616 you aren't directly responsible for creating all alternate/parallel realities.
That happens through vibrational differences between atoms, or time alteration etc.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If the creation of 616 resulted directly in the creation of the entire omniverse at once then all universes would be the same age and you wouldnt have "baby universes" as featured in Ultimate Fantastic 4, universes which haven't gone through their Big Bang.

According to Marvel,
the entire Marvel reality has ended 4 times (nullified and re-created)

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

Sis-Neg in 72'
Entropy/Genis in 2002
Thanos/HOTI in 2003
Alien Entity/Reed in 2006

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Also could you please show me the part which states or depicts
that the Entity remained one with Eternity

Who said that?

The Alien Entity is one with the power that created the Omniverse
(Past-Present & Future)

Eternity embodies the Prime Multiverse.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
because as far as i can see once the duo calmed the chaos down
and restored balance they both became themselves again.

The Alien Entity became himself again? 😆 (does it ever stop?)

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AE literally became the "Fires of Creation"

"Then let me ... open your mind ... to me ... to the Fires of Creation "

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AE never went back to anything, that's your typical lies,
AE merged with the Past-Present and continued on into the Future:

AE disappeared into the Future as he continued to merge further with Time.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Where is it stated?

😂 I despise lies duke.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Entity has done nothing via his own power
for it to be placed at the top of the hierarchy.

I'm not interetsed in debating this with you dude,
no matter the evidence, you will twist it, spin it,
and even bull shit your way around it.

Even Marvel itself clearly stated that the AE,
ENDED, and RE-Created the Marvel Universe.

AE created the "SparK" that ignites the "Fires of Creation"
AE put the "Spark" into motion, "let there be light"
AE merged with the "Engines of Creation"
AE re-created the entire Marvel Universe with Reed's mind as a reference guide.

That's what I always said,
and that's what Marvel seems to say too:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe ... whistling

From Marvel.com ... the relevant explanation to this silly debate is below:

Originally posted by Mr Master
"Richards and the Entity found themselves adrift in time and space,
drawn back by their inquisitiveness to the beginnings of the universe."

(Reed & Alien reach the pre-Big Bang period)

"The question was how did existence come from non-existence —
the question was the fire, born of their need to understand,
and it became the spark that lit the fire of creation."

(with a simple question ... Alien was able to CREATE the "Spark" that initiates Creation)

"The Entity merged with the energies and forces that became creation,"

(Alien becomes One with that power - "fire of creation" ... oh yea)

"but because it searched for only for truth,
it lacked the knowledge to form anything but chaos and destruction."

(So it was indeed, the Alien who was Re-Creating Marvel,
but it needed Reed's mind as a guide)

"Richards, still outside of time, had searched always for knowledge,
and the pair could bring balance to the creation before it returned to the void."

(what I tell ya) 🙂

"The universe was created—
a sentient, conscious universe that,
in trying to understand itself, gave birth to growth, to struggle, to life.

In trying to understand itself?" hm

(So the Alien Entity became the Marvel Universe,
by rewriting Time and becoming what always was)

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That should stomp the agenda minded Bull shit ... swank

Dude, I saw your point, it's just the same old fallacies of old.
You can't stand any other character performing feats, that Phoenix can't.

So go make your own thread,
and spew whatever you wish there.

I already did prove it anyway.

If you wish to continue these circles,
make your own thread, and do you.

But we're done here.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So how did the AE reach the pre-Big Bang period with no power?

Why would the Omniverse disappear
simply because the AE decided to travbel back in time?

Are you suggesting that any time traveller can fold the Omniverse,
if they decide to visit that point in time?

I think not ... or, I hope that's not what you're saying.

dontgetit

Below, we clearly see the "Spark" came from withIN the AE,
not from nowhere.

Is that the way you saw it?

Interesting, because according to on panel evidence, (which you saw)
the question was burning in both of them, not just the AE:

Yea,
except to fold Time/Space to it's pre-Big Bang period,
actually create the "Spark" that initiates the Omniverse's birth with a thought,
then merge with the "engines of creation" after they're sparked.

Then the power up comes into the picture,
now merged, the AE is able to re-create Marvel using Reed's mind as reference.

I don't agree.

Did the AE have the power to create Marvel without merging?

Nah.

Was the AE powerless before merging with the Omniverse?

Far from it. (AE was able to fold back all of it)

Anyway the Spark was caused by their question, not from any power or ability of the AE. This is stated over and over again so you can't deny it. Reed Richards had the question in mind, and then later says that the spark came from both the questions. So clearly the AE wasn't showing any real power, if all you had to do to spark the big bang was ask a question.

Originally posted by Mr Master
According to Marvel,
the entire Marvel reality has ended 4 times (nullified and re-created)

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

Sis-Neg in 72'
Entropy/Genis in 2002
Thanos/HOTI in 2003
Alien Entity/Reed in 2006

Originally posted by Xplosive
No, he didn't succeed at all in out last conversation.

If you can go on and believe whatever you wish homie.

Originally posted by Xplosive
As GalacticStorm said

Originally posted by Xplosive
Mr. Master sometimes takes scenes too literally.
And if something he doesn't like, it's a PLOT DEVICE.

Originally posted by Xplosive
And if you knew, Mr Master said to mention at least 5 cats,
I mentioned more cats to be more powerful than Abraxas.
Mr Master never said currently,
only not pre-retcon and artifacts. I mentioned more than five, easily.

Originally posted by Xplosive
[B]As I can see, GS put Mr Master in place about AE.

Take your socking elsewhere dogs.

Wait what makes you think xplosive is a sock?

Originally posted by Mr Master
You didn't even mention one.

Take your socking elsewhere dogs.

Hahhaa. Interesting joke.
GS and KK put you in place. You added some things up yourself.

Is this the first time that GS guy has posted in a while?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Actually the site says that that's how many times the 616 universe has been ended.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

"Although considered the “prime reality” in which events of universal significance occur
(and, indeed, Megauniversal and/or Omniuniversal significance),
this reality is designated as number 616 (thus, “Earth-616”) ... "
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Unless you're suggesting Thanos only took out 616,
or Entropy/Genis only took out one reality
(when On Panel they definitely erased the Prime Multiverse,
and all of Marvel (Omniverse) as a result)

Come back and tell me Entropy/Genis only took out 616. 😂

Originally posted by King Kandy
Where are you getting all the folding back stuff?
It seems to me that he just traveled back in time to before the big bang.
No folding involved.

Again:

Originally posted by Mr Master

Why would the Omniverse disappear
simply because the AE decided to travel back in time? hum

Are you suggesting that any time traveller can fold the Omniverse,
if they decide to visit that point in Time?

I think not ... or, I hope that's not what you're saying.

You kidding right?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Anyway the Spark was caused by their question,
not from any power or ability of the AE.
This is stated over and over again so you can't deny it.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Reed Richards had the question in mind,
and then later says that the spark came from both the questions.

So clearly the AE wasn't showing any real power,
if all you had to do to spark the big bang was ask a question.

Then the power up comes into the picture,
now merged, the AE is able to re-create Marvel using Reed's mind as reference.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Wait what makes you think xplosive is a sock?

The AE did in fact though,
fold Space/Time to it's pre-creation point,
otherwise, Marvel physically becoming a complete void is senseless.

I mean, that's the dumbess shit perpetrated as of yet,
are you seriously going to sit there and tell me,
that all one needs to do is time travel,
and this trasnforms all of Marvel into a Void (pre-Big Bang no less)? glare

Get the hell out of here.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Hahhaa. Interesting joke.
GS and KK put you in place.

Again, please refrain from socking in this thread.

Originally posted by Xplosive
You added some things up yourself.

Debate has hit a wall and has turned into circles.

Any further push on this subject, will be ignored, take it elsewhere yall,
there's nothing more to say. (3 freakin pages wasted on a done deal)

The views are there (last 3 pages)

Onlookers decide on yall own.

Originally posted by Mr Master
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

"Although considered the “prime reality” in which events of universal significance occur
(and, indeed, Megauniversal and/or [B]Omniuniversal significance),
this reality is designated as number 616 (thus, “Earth-616”) ... "
.........................................................................................

Unless you're suggesting Thanos only took out 616,
or Entropy/Genis only took out one reality
(when On Panel they definitely erased the Prime Multiverse,
and all of Marvel (Omniverse) as a result)

Come back and tell me Entropy/Genis only took out 616. 😂

Uhh dude, Marvel turned into nothingness.

Again:

In this logic,
Kang, Immortus, Cable or a host of travellers can re-create the Marvel Universe.

You kidding right?

The "Spark" was created from withIN the Alien Entity, (yes, with a thought)
this You can not deny:

Yea,
except to fold Time/Space to it's pre-Big Bang period,
actually create the "Spark" that initiates the Omniverse's birth with a thought,
then merge with the "engines of creation" after they're sparked.

Then the power up comes into the picture,
now merged, the AE is able to re-create Marvel using Reed's mind as reference.[/B]

So anyone who can time travel before the big bang can just ask the same question and he'll have the energy to create the Omniverse? Not making sense...

No the omniverse is awaiting the spark. If you spark it then it creates itself. the AE merged with the omniverse and thus had the ability to steer it's future but otherwise things would have gone along by themselves.

Originally posted by Power16
So anyone who can time travel before the big bang
can just ask the same question
and he'll have the energy to create the Omniverse? Not making sense...

Don't worry, I'm coming through now to end this. Give me a sec.

Understandable, so at what level would you put the AE.

Well even if anyone could spark the big bang, not everyone could merge with it...

Is the Adjudicator more powerful than Big G and Uatu