Everything COSMIC in Marvel - the Hierarchy, Battles, Feats, Q & A , scans galore!

I'm seeing a whole lot of speculation here and a whole lot of supposition.

Not once in the issue is omniverse mentioned. The universe is mentioned both on panel and on the marvel site you keep directing us to.

Once again, whilst 616 is the prime universe from which all the others originate, the other alternate realities within Marvel creation are NOT created all at once with a single Big Bang.

If that was the case you would not have universe within Marvel which are yet to go through their Big Bang as seen in Ultimate F4. All universes would be the same age if they were all created at once.

Alternate realities are created through things such as alteration of events via time travel/manipulation, as demonstrated in Here Comes Tomorrow or Age of Apocalypse. Those realities never existed all along, they were the result of tamperings with events in the 616 timeline.

You cannot try and make someones feat seem more powerful than it is by saying that one Big Bang directly resulted in all of creation. Other realities formed from the prime one as time went on.

No bombardment of scans coupled with your commentary of what YOU THINK is going on in them. Can you please show a single scan that states that the Big Bang of 616 directly results in all realities of Marvel creation? 😕

As an aside, are you really trying to say that a Marvel character is responsible for the creation of DC, Image, Dark Horse etc?

You do realise that there is only one omniverse right?

Each comic company has its own multiverse, with each one residing within the greater omniverse. By its definition there can only be one.

When the omniverse is depicted in a marvel comic it’s done so from a Marvel perspective, understandably with a Marvel bias however the omniverse is not Marvel specific.

By definition, there can only be one omniverse. Marvel and DC can’t have their own omniverses, they can each talk of an omniverse from their companies’ perspective, but they have never ever said that they have their own omniverses. On top of that, they acknowledge each others multiverses within the continuity of both companies. JLA/Avengers is continuity for DC and in Marvel the event is referenced in bios. Want to know why the DC characters aren’t referenced by name? COPYRIGHT. Marvel.com has a nice section devoted to what can and can’t be included in marvel bios and crossover character names are listed as something NOT ALLOWED DUE TO COPYRIGHT. :

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Talk:Main_Page#Characters_from_crossovers

On top of that omniversal roles are possessed by characters from both companies and for all their talk of being able to destroy or affect an omniverse, it either never happens or if it does then its always done from that specific companies perspective because that’s all they have the right to do by copyright law unless they write up an agreement with the other company allowing them to specifically depict or refer to the other company’s property being affected/destroyed.

Superman once saved the 'Omniverse' by vibrating.

Are you suggesting that not only did he save all of DC, but all of Marvel as well?

Marvunapp, the site you're always heralding as near continuity dictators because of its close links with the handbook writers and recognition as a valuable source of Marvel info marks out megaverses to be universes or associated realms outside of the main Marvel multiverse, but within the greater omniverse that everything is in.

Here are some choice quotes:

the Transformers-UK universe is considered possibly part of the Marvel Multiverse. On the other hand, due to the fact that the hierarchy of cosmic characters of both Transformers universes [Unicron, Primus] does not mesh with the usual Marvel assortment of cosmic beings [Eternity, Death, Galactus, Lord Chaos, Master Order, etc.] one could place them in the Marvel Megaverse along with such tertiary realms as Earth-Shadowline. In any event, Death's Head encountered the Doctor at the Crossroads of Time, a point of intersection, a buffer zone between the Doctor Who Multiverse and the Marvel Multiverse/Megaverse.)

So a universe or realm that is associated with Marvel however it doesnt share the same hierarchical structure as the main marvel multiverse is termed a megaverse.

More confirmation on what a megaverse actually is:

Earth-616, the mainstream Marvel world, exists within a single Universe. A collection of similar, but divergent worlds, such as Earth X, Earth-MC2, and the What If? worlds, which have a similar universal power structure exist within the same Multiverse. An Earth that does not appear to have any similarities to the universal structure and hierarchy of Earth-616 or similar worlds, and thus it would be outside of the mainstream Multiverse, but within the greater Omniverse. It has been suggested that there may be one more division present between Multiverse and Omniverse, to link asociated worlds, such as those linked to Marvel, and to keep distinct from other such groupings, such as those associated with DC or other titles. Thus worlds like the New Universe or the Shadowline might be contained within the Marvel Megaverse.

Interesting. Lets continue 😖hifty:

Past stories have established that characters that are generally unique to certain multiverses are fictional to characters from other multiverses. (Of course, the reason that they tend to be unique to a certain multiverse has to do with the fact that they are strictly copyrighted and trademarked.) Somehow, a sort of "bleeding through" occurs by which certain people become subconsciously aware of events in other multiverses, and these people tend to be comic book artists and writers who use these visions for their work. For concrete examples of this phenomenon, in the New Universe (which, although owned by Marvel completely, to preserve a distinctive feel, has been designated as outside of the multiverse), the X-Men are only fictional characters-see Starbrand#11-12 for confirmation. The X-Men do not have counterparts in the New Universe. Superman/Fantastic Four established that Superman, of the DC Multiverse/Hypertimelines, is known on Earth-616 as only a fictional character. Superman does not have an Earth-616 counterpart. (Incidentally, Thor and other characters based on folklore and mythology--which are of course, public domain--are exceptions to this rule.)

So basically more confirmation that all comic book properties exist in the same omniverse, but just in separate multiverses and they do not depict each other unless given specific permission to(e.g one off crossovers)because of copyright.

For more info, heres the link:

http://www.marvunapp.com/list/app8162.htm

Originally posted by Galan007
Superman once saved the 'Omniverse' by vibrating.

Are you suggesting that not only did he save all of DC, but all of Marvel as well?

I'm not suggesting a thing, i'm stating what is actually the case. Both companies acknowledge each other within the omniverse via crossovers which are canon.

Marvels Handbook srefer to DC characters however as stated on Marvel.com they can't mention specific names due to copyright. Hence why you get Spectre referred to as a spectral hooded ally on LT's bio.

With regards to Marvel and DC having their own specific omniverses that matter at least is not true and very much not debatable. There is comic evidence, handbook evidence and teh point is stated both on Marvel.com and on the site of the official handbook writers site marvunapp.

All of that is vastly greater than any comic fans opinion.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I'm not suggesting a thing, i'm stating what is actually the case. Both companies acknowledge each other within the omniverse via crossovers which are canon.

Marvels Handbook srefer to DC characters however as stated on Marvel.com they can't mention specific names due to copyright. Hence why you get Spectre referred to as a spectral hooded ally on LT's bio.

Interesting that means that Wanda warped the Omniverse, and that Roma with the CN can erase universes in DC as well.

also contradict the most recent handbook from Marvel

http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omni2mz6.jpg

http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omni1ou4.jpg

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

As you said yourself Marvels openion is greater then ours and two handbooks clearly states that marvel has it's omniverse plus Marvel.com refers to the 616 reality as the foundation in where events of even omniversal significans take place.

btw JLA/Avengers from what I know is regarded as Canon by DC but as Non Canon by Marvel.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Interesting that means that Wanda warped the Omniverse, and that Roma with the CN can erase universes in DC as well.

also contradict the most recent handbook from Marvel

http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omni2mz6.jpg

http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omni1ou4.jpg

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

As you said yourself Marvels openion is greater then ours and two handbooks clearly states that marvel has it's omniverse plus Marvel.com refers to the 616 reality as the foundation in where events of even omniversal significans take place.

btw JLA/Avengers from what I know is regarded as Canon by DC but as Non Canon by Marvel.

Your first two links show pics which merely describe what an omniverse is. They do NOT state that Marvel has an omniverse specific to it, independent from other comic labels.

The third merely takes you to an article talking about the prime universe 616 so i dont know how you thought that disproved my argument. Does nothing of the sort.

If you actually read the evidence i've presented and follow the links you'll see that your thoughts on JLA/Avengers are incorrect.

Marvel.com is fanmade

Ya'll know that, right?

Originally posted by llagrok
Marvel.com is fanmade

Ya'll know that, right?

Thank you. ✅

I've got an account myself. 🙂

Good, because a lot of people use the biographies as citations and so on, which is pretty much the same as using Wikipedia.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your first two links show pics which merely describe what an omniverse is. They do NOT state that Marvel has an omniverse specific to it, independent from other comic labels.

The third merely takes you to an article talking about the prime universe 616 so i dont know how you thought that disproved my argument. Does nothing of the sort.

If you actually read the evidence i've presented and follow the links you'll see that your thoughts on JLA/Avengers are incorrect.

Funny...

First linke clearly states that the One Above all is the supreme ruler of the Omniverse, but wait that is the presence is DC so now we have more then one supreme ruler...

Also Omniverse = Alternate Universes from where in marvel does the alternate universe come from 616 as Marvel.com says.

Second Link Clearly stats that each earth in the omniverse is given a number.

I find it a bit strange that if we go by you line of thinking then apparently Marvel and DC are sharing a couple of universes since they have the same number...

And I doesn't quiet see how a site I posted from Marvel.com which is approved before it can be read, is lesser to your own site which is made by talk intern among the forum users 😬

Originally posted by llagrok
Marvel.com is fanmade

Ya'll know that, right?

Originally posted by llagrok
Good, because a lot of people use the biographies as citations and so on,
which is pretty much the same as using Wikipedia.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

Make an account do whatever you wish,
then come back and tell me if you were able to edit even a single thing.

Limited ability to edit isn't the same as it being official :/

Originally posted by llagrok
[B]Limited ability to edit isn't the same as it being official

Like I said, actually better yet,
try and edit a single letter.

this page IMO says it all

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Mad_Jim_Jaspers_%28Earth-238%29

Originally posted by Utrigita
Funny...

First linke clearly states that the One Above all is the supreme ruler of the Omniverse, but wait that is the presence is DC so now we have more then one supreme ruler...

Also Omniverse = Alternate Universes from where in marvel does the alternate universe come from 616 as Marvel.com says.

Second Link Clearly stats that each earth in the omniverse is given a number.

Having alternate universes makes you a multiverse. Please get a handbook or a comic on the matter and read it.

TOAA according to Marvel is the ruler of the omniverse. Does that mean that Marvel has its own omniverse? ❌

Especially not when officially both companies acknowledge each other within the same creation.

Who is to say that DC's supreme being and Marvels aren't one and the same however each multiverse perceives that being differently?

Just something to think about. Either way officially as stated in Marvel bios and on its site, there is only one omniverse. Also within official sources are the point that DC and Marvel are within the same creation.

Thats all that needs to be said on the matter.

Originally posted by Galan007
Superman once saved the 'Omniverse' by vibrating.

Are you suggesting that not only did he save all of DC, but all of Marvel as well?

Originally posted by Galan007
So Superman saved DC and Marvel by vibrating. Cool beans.

Wait this must also be true:

1. Toaa created DC,
2. Wanda, Alien Entity, Entropy/Genis heck, even Sis-Neg,
all Remade the DC reality.
3. Marvel is just a single Multiverse.
4. Flash/Haweye > Krona (who defeated all the items)

Finally, the Celestial Guardians of Marvel can erase DC anytime they wish.
..............................................................................................

So now we know TOAA created the DC and Marvel Realities:

1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/CREATOR of the OMNIVERSE"

crazy