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Originally posted by King Kandy
Yes the AE created the Spark... because he asked the question...
Asking the question sparked the big bang,
you can't deny it because they say it over and over again.

You continue to repeat, "they say it over and over ... question sparked the big bang"

So .... What is the Question? ... Rather, WHO is the Question?
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The Alien Entity ... is/was ... the "Question" embodied friend:

AE: "What I am you may be if you're not careful"

Reed: "And what is that?"

AE: "A Question ... in living form"

(that's what the AE became after it touched the mind of the Universe)

Originally posted by King Kandy
You know why the Omniverse wasn't there?
Because they went back to BEFORE THE BIG BANG HAPPENED (duh.)

hmm, so you're actually submitting that you believe,
Kang, Immortus, Cable, Bishop and well,
basically any ol' Time Traveller can re-create the Omniverse at will?

Bet you thought that made sense with the (duh) at the end. 😬

Originally posted by King Kandy
No the omniverse is awaiting the spark. If you spark it then it creates itself.

So any Time-Travelling Joe can go back in time,
and recreate his own version of the Omniverse?

That's ridiculous dude, seriously. Please tell me you're messing with me.

In any case, the AE itself is the living embodiment of the question. 🙂

How you like dem apples.

Originally posted by King Kandy
the AE merged with the omniverse and thus had the ability to steer it's future but otherwise things would have gone along by themselves. [/B]

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AE/Reed literally created the "Spark" with a thought/question.
It didn't come out of nowhere, it's not something one can just make appear.
(any admissions to that notion are a fallacy)

Reed: "That Light (spark) ... it came from nowhere"

AE: "NO! ... it came from withIN me ... from that Galaxy withIN me,
AND (as in ALSO) it came ... from a Question ... was Born in the Fire ...
or our need to understand"
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Wait, so the "Spark" was created in Fire?

What Fire?

The AE and Reed's Question,
so the AE and Reed literally created the "Spark" with their minds.

And where did the "Spark" manifest from?

From withIN the AE?

What?

From withIN the Galaxy withIN the AE.
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Reed: "you saying that We ... You, and I ... That Our desire to understand ...
was the Spark that Lit the Fire of Creation?"

As we can see, the Spark has been created,
yet no Big Bang.

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Now the AE decides to literally use the "Spark" to ignite the Engines of Creation,
a "Spark" that was born withIN the AE,
created by a "Question" the AE embodied,
further realized by Reed's relation to the "question"

"Let There be Light"

"Let the Universe itself... become"
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AE took the "Spark" out of his own body,
it was created withIN his own body,
it was literally created by Reed and himself:

"I cannot control ... what we with a Question ... with a Thought ... created"
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In fact, all of existence depended on the AE at this point:

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AE took what was created withIN his own body (the Spark)
and literally put the Spark into motion by saying, "Let There be Light"

AE was able to merge with the energies his "Spark" released (Fires/Engines of Creation)

AE literally becomes the "Fires of Creation"

"Then let me ... open your mind ... to me ... to the Fires of Creation."

AE then re-structured the Omniverse, with Reed's mind as a reference guide.

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This hasn't been addressed either:

Originally posted by Mr Master

are you seriously going to sit there and tell me,
that all one needs to do is time travel,
and this trasnforms all of Marvel into a Void (pre-Big Bang no less)? 🤨

Get the hell out of here.

Originally posted by Power16
So anyone who can time travel before the big bang
can just ask the same question
and he'll have the energy to create the Omniverse?
Not making sense...

Originally posted by Power16
Understandable, so at what level would you put the AE.

Top 5:

The LT & Scathan
The Alien Entity
The BeyonderS
Edifice Rex

Marvel was a void because they went to before there was anything. This isn't a hard concept to understand, if you go back in time to before Kennedy was assasinated, then where you come out, he has not yet been assasinated. Likewise, if you go to before the big bang happened, then you end up in a place where the big bang hasn't happened yet. Basic stuff.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Marvel was a void because they went to before there was anything.
This isn't a hard concept to understand,

Originally posted by Mr Master

are you seriously going to sit there and tell me,
that all one needs to do is time travel,
and this trasnforms all of Marvel into a Void (pre-Big Bang no less)? 🤨

Get the hell out of here.

Originally posted by King Kandy
if you go back in time to before Kennedy was assasinated,
then where you come out,
he has not yet been assasinated.

In the 616 Timeline, Kennedy will still be dead.

Kennedy has to be plucked out of the Timestream
and brought into the 616 Timeline if he wishes to be alive within it again.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Likewise, if you go to before the big bang happened,
then you end up in a place where the big bang hasn't happened yet.
Basic stuff.

That doesn't make any sense dogs, none at all.

The Omniverse had to fold somehow,
otherwise they created an Omniverse
on top of an Omniverse that was still in existence.
Or did they create a separate Omniverse?

I mean, WHAT happened to the Present physical Omniverse,
when the Time-Travelers went to the void?

WHAT happened to the Universe? hum

Try and answer that one.

Nothing happened to the Present Omniverse, they simply went to before there was an omniverse. In marvel when you time travel and change something, there's a timeline where you changed it. Reed and AE changed nothing, they were the spark that created themselves. They realized they were just part of a cycle.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Nothing happened to the Present Omniverse,
they simply went to before there was an omniverse.

"nothing happened" is a cheesy asnwer when you're trying to push that idea.

The idea being (Time Travel to the Void = a blank page to remake Reality)

I completely disagree with this,
but I see now you're gonna stay stuck on it,
so we'll leave it at that.
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Imo,
one can't make the Omniverse disappear just by traveling to it's Past void-like state.

At best,
one can travel to it's void-like state and enjoy the view, (nothing more)
but to be able to re-Create the Omniverse,
or to just Spark it up again as in its Big Bang,
that's ludicrous to say the least.
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I don't care who's traveling back in Time,
the Present-day physical Omniverse, or any Reality
does Not become null/void
just cause some cat decides to go back in Time to its beginnings.

Kang and company would have a field day if that were possible.
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The reality and sensible explanation is,

the AE folded back Space/Time,
and well,
obviously THIS is WHY the Omniverse literally became a Void-like state.

Originally posted by King Kandy
In marvel when you time travel and change something,
there's a timeline where you changed it.
Reed and AE changed nothing,
they were the spark that created themselves.
They realized they were just part of a cycle.

Well anyone can travel back in time, but not everyone can merge with the big bang like AE did.

stoned ... I'm done with this subject.

Originally posted by Mr Master
dontgetit

That's senseless Mike.
Why would Marvel do that?
Are you being sarcastic?
If so, don't waste my time,
if not, tell me who said that and we'll school them together friend. 🙂

The point is that you believe what Marvel says over what actually occurs in the comics

Originally posted by Endless Mike
The point is that you believe what Marvel says over what actually occurs in the comics

(if that were true,
I'd believe Phoenix saved Galactus instead of the sentience of the previous reality)

On Panel > Bio

On Panel plus Bio >>> Bio and anything anyone else has to say.

Eveyone knows this is my modo, always has been, always will be.
Actually, there was a time when Bios meant absolutely nothiong to me,
but for a while I've accept Bios that corresponds with the On Panel evidence.
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Don't come in here with this condescending hilarity,
talking about, I "believe Marvel over what occurs in comics" (shit is still like, what?)
Now unless you have a solid example with PROOF, (which you can not)
other than your god-like interpretation of whatever really "occured in comics" 😂
don't spam my thread with fallacious accusations against anyone,
or you'l be reported for lying about members.

Thanx friend. 🙂

Okay Mr. Master, if a time traveler like Kang traveled to pre-big bang time, what would they find? The same thing that AE did right?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Okay Mr. Master, if a time traveler like Kang traveled to pre-big bang time,
what would they find? The same thing that AE did right?

What the AE did was obviously special,
AE was able to reach the pre-Big Bang period in the same fashion Sis-Neg did,
by not only traveling back in Time, but also Space.
btw. the Marvel Universe folded as Sis went back, Sis even absorbed all its energy.

This is why Reed said,

"I'm not only seeing the canvas of Creation, I'm touching the fabric"

Hmm, it was more than simple time-traveling ey.

Imo, this was possible because the AE is the embodiment of the "Question" 🙂
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This ties in perfectly with Marvel's explanation:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

"Richards and the Entity found themselves adrift in time and space,
drawn back by their inquisitiveness to the beginnings of the universe."
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The bottomline K is,
there no logical way for them to have re-created the Omniverse from nothingness,
if the Present-day Omniverse (the Reality they left behind) was still there in existence.

Otherwise, either they created a separate Omniverse,
or created another Omniverse on top of the one still in existence.

As we know, none of that happened.

So the only other reasoning is,
as they were drawn back through both Space/Time,
Space/Time itself drew back like-wise. (whether by accident or design)
That's how powerful their desire to know was I guess.

It seems to me they created the same omniverse as the original. Because at the end of the day, everythings the same. It was one big loop.

Originally posted by King Kandy
It seems to me they created the same omniverse as the original.
Because at the end of the day, everythings the same. It was one big loop.

This is why something had to have happened to the original Present-day Omniverse. (folded?)

It couldn't have been left untouched,
otherwise, the AE and Reed wouldn't have had a canvas to create on.

We can't logically say, they re-created the Omniverse from scratch,
although the original Omniverse was still there, in the way, in existence, in the Present.

Surely you must realize this paradox.

imo,
All Reed did was solidify that certain events happened the way they were 'supposed' to, after achieving oneness with creation...

He didn't recreate anything -- just restarted the CD, and hit the fast-forward button to the song he liked. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
imo,
All Reed did was solidify that certain events happened the way they were 'supposed' to, after achieving oneness with creation...

Originally posted by Galan007
He didn't recreate anything -- just restarted the CD,
and hit the fast-forward button to the song he liked.

Hey G did you know, (if you went over this page, you do)

the AE is the embodiment of the "Question" (why)
that creates the "Spark" (to intiate the engines of creation)
that gives birth to the Omniverse (Big Bang)

Only extra is,
the AE merged with the energies and forces (fires/engines of creation)
that perpetuate the entire Big Bang process.

We already know this to be a fact from the on panel evidence,
but Marvel confirms it:

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

"Richards and the Entity found themselves adrift in time and space,
drawn back by their inquisitiveness to the beginnings of the universe.
The question was how did existence come from non-existence,
the question was the fire, born of their need to understand,
and it became the spark that lit the fire of creation.
The Entity merged with the energies and forces that became creation".

AE actually became that power, literally. (Past-Present & Future)

Impressive to say the least. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
👆

I agree,
it was the Alien Entity that re-Created the Omniverse using Reed's mind as a guide.

Hey G did you know, (if you went over this page, you do)

the AE is the embodiment of the "Question" (why)
that creates the "Spark" (to intiate the engines of creation)
that gives birth to the Omniverse (Big Bang)

Only extra is,
the AE merged with the energies and forces (fires/engines of creation)
that perpetuate the entire Big Bang process.

AE actually became that power, literally. (Past-Present & Future)

Impressive to say the least. 🙂

I have a question.

Are there any characters in Marvel [beside Trion Juggernaut of course], which have broken through dimensional/time barriers, through physical force alone, [ie. punching kicking, etc.]?

Originally posted by Galan007
I have a question.

Are there any characters in Marvel [beside Trion Juggernaut of course],
which have broken through dimensional/time barriers,
through physical force alone, [ie. punching kicking, etc.]?

It's even difficult to fathom. (which makes it even more impressive) ✅

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm sure I can find through dimensional barriers,
but through "Time barriers?" ... That's incredible and I haven't seen anyone else do that.

It's even difficult to fathom. (which makes it even more impressive) ✅

In DC there are only 2, possibly 3 characters I can think of who have done it.

In marvel, the only one I knew of was Trion Juggs