Everything COSMIC in Marvel - the Hierarchy, Battles, Feats, Q & A , scans galore!

Originally posted by Mr Master
👆 😆

Wait this must also be true:

1. Toaa created DC,
2. Wanda, Alien Entity, Entropy/Genis heck, even Sis-Neg,
all Remade the DC reality.
3. Marvel is just a single Multiverse.
4. Flash/Haweye > Krona (who defeated all the items)

Finally, the Celestial Guardians of Marvel can erase DC anytime they wish.
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So now we know TOAA created the DC and Marvel Realities:

1. [B]Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/CREATOR of the OMNIVERSE"

crazy [/B]

Not at all because you're making the assumption that creating 616 makes you the creator of the omniverse.

Can you please show us a scan of where thats stated? 🙂

Creating 616, the prime universe could debatably make you indirectly responsible for the rise of a MULTIVERSE, however omniverse doesnt come into it.

Please show a single scan where your point is stated, NOT a barrage of scans coupled with your opinion.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No bombardment of scans coupled with your commentary of what YOU THINK is going on in them.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Can you please show a single scan that states that the Big Bang of 616
directly results in all realities of Marvel creation?

Of course, it won't make any difference,
for your purpose is to spam this thread,
and add more bull shit to the Phoenix respect thread.
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Anywho, for the serious debater, and unbiased onlookers:

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Uatu realized
that nanoseconds after the 616 Reality dies,
the Omniverse will die:

"After my last report however, we were forced to reinspect our fundamental principles.
We concluded that the destruction of This Universe,
while still bounded by the speed of light,
would occur within an expanding simultaneity, which would,
paratemporally, have begun immediately following the initial
nanoseconds of This Universe.

And then it would Expand outward from This Universe ...
we call it 616 ... to engulf All Others ... "

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Dr Stange is confused with Uatu's explanation,
so Uatu tells him in plain engilsh the fact concerning the significance
of the 616 Reality:

Dr Strange says,

"I do not understand ... please explain more simply"

Uatu explains more simply,

"If your World Dies now, Stephen, it will take Everything with it.

Not only This Universe (616) but All the Other UniverseS as well.

Everything there is, will End.

Or rather put it even more simply, Everything will never have been"

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Is this a fluke? Not at all folks.

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Here we are in yet another title where the same thing is stated,
by Ute:

"Or THIS, the Prime Reality (616) will fall and with it ... ALL EXISTENCE"
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Now go ahead and twist it, and makes it say what you want it to say,
just like you twisted Utrigita's scans.

Wait... Does that make "Bizarro World" Earth, Marvel's Earth-0 as well? ermm Earth-1, Earth-2?

Can you please show us where the omniverse connection comes in because all i'm seeing is MULTIVERSE from those scans. 😕

Please show a scan that states that the creation of 616 resulted in the creation of all realities of the omniverse.

The creation of the prime Marvel universe 616 would eventually lead to the emergence of alternate realities and therefore a MULTIVERSE, however where you're getting this omniverse idea from i really dont know. 😕

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Wait... Does that make "Bizarro World" Earth, Marvel's Earth-0 as well? ermm Earth-1, Earth-2?

Nope, because DC exists in a separate MULTIVERSE from Marvel but all within the same omniverse.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Having alternate universes makes you a multiverse. Please get a handbook or a comic on the matter and read it.

Ehhh yes having alternate universes is having a multiverse.

TOAA according to Marvel is the ruler of the omniverse. Does that mean that Marvel has its own omniverse? ❌ [/B]

Yes it does because TOAA is the supreme ruler of marvel.

Especially not when officially both companies acknowledge each other within the same creation. [/B]

Please give me a reference to this if you have posted the link it shouldn't be a problem to locate it again.

Who is to say that DC's supreme being and Marvels aren't one and the same however each multiverse perceives that being differently?[/B]

So now the Presence and TOAA is one interesting though totally unsupported where on that TOAA is the supreme ruler of Marvel is well known and Presence the supreme ruler of DC is there anything to assume that these two beings have anything to do with each other ❌

Just something to think about. Either way officially as stated in Marvel bios and on its site, there is only one omniverse. Also within official sources are the point that DC and Marvel are within the same creation. [/B]

It's perfectly possible to have a Omniverse with a Megaverse, you are the one that always bring up the Jamie Braddock incident and Jaspers too where Jaspers warp on the outside was the size of Britain but inside was the size of a Universe, How's saying that, that isn't the case??? It is IMO just as like as TOAA and the Presence being one...

Thats all that needs to be said on the matter. [/B]

Agreed

Have a Nice day and welcome back.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Wait... Does that make "Bizarro World" Earth,
Marvel's Earth-0 as well? ermm Earth-1, Earth-2?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope, because DC exists in a separate MULTIVERSE from Marvel but all within the same omniverse.

Originally posted by Utrigita
No need to debate with you on this Matter GS since I don't like people twisting my words 🙂

Have a Nice day and welcome back.

Who was twisting your words? Why don't you actually try countering or is this alleged twisting of words just a cop out? 😕

Originally posted by Utrigita
Interesting that means that Wanda warped the Omniverse, and that Roma with the CN can erase universes in DC as well.

also contradict the most recent handbook from Marvel

http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omni2mz6.jpg

http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omni1ou4.jpg

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe

As you said yourself Marvels openion is greater then ours and two handbooks clearly states that marvel has it's omniverse plus Marvel.com refers to the 616 reality as the foundation in where events of even omniversal significans take place.

btw JLA/Avengers from what I know is regarded as Canon by DC but as Non Canon by Marvel.

Now you know what I been dealing with for a long time.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Funny...

First linke clearly states that the One Above all is the supreme ruler of the Omniverse, but wait that is the presence is DC so now we have more then one supreme ruler...

Also Omniverse = Alternate Universes from where in marvel does the alternate universe come from 616 as Marvel.com says.

Second Link Clearly stats that each earth in the omniverse is given a number.

I find it a bit strange that if we go by you line of thinking then apparently Marvel and DC are sharing a couple of universes since they have the same number...

And I doesn't quiet see how a site I posted from Marvel.com which is approved before it can be read, is lesser to your own site which is made by talk intern among the forum users 😬

G, and Xmarks are highly respected members that are to be taken seriously,
if cats like that don't speak up,
then many would be lead astray into ignorance.
(I can't do it all you know) 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Who was twisting your words? Why don't you actually try countering or is this alleged twisting of words just a cop out? 😕

Sorry for the bad terms of words please reread the post 🙂

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I was under the impression that all the universes in Marvel's omniverse were given an "Earth-####" designation.

From a Marvel perspective yes, by Marvel beings such as Roma who survey the entire omniverse, however that doesnt stop DC being in a separate multiverse from Marvels and said multiverse being acknowledged by Marvel and vice versa and both multiverses existing within a greater omniverse.

If you look at what i've posted and follow the links you will see the point is stated on panel and by the handbook writers.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope, because DC exists in a separate MULTIVERSE from Marvel but all within the same omniverse.

In reality sure in comics ❌

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope, because DC exists in a separate MULTIVERSE from Marvel
but all within the same omniverse.

FIVE On Panel depictions of the Marvel Omniverse! (actually Illustrated)

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Earth X Trilogy - (2000)

"The Omniverse"

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Infinity Abyss - (2002)

"An Infinity beyond Infinity"

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Exiles - (Mid 2007)

"I offer the Omniverse"

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X-Men Die by the Sword - (Late 2007)

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"

So the Chaos Wave tore DC to pieces .. LOLOLOLOL!!!!
And even REMADE DC ... HAHAHAHAH!!!
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Exiles - (2008)

"Those lights we've been assuming was a star, just as we see from Earth,
they represent entire Dimensions.

I think that's a representation of the entire Omniverse,
we're looking at All Creation"

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(Bio)

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Spiderman Handbook - (Late 2007)

Core Continuum Designation

"Numerical identification given to each Earth in the Omniverse"

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Avenger Most Wanted Files - (Late 2007)

1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

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Btw. On Panel evidence agrees 100% with this bio:

"Reality ... Brian came to realize the size and breadth of Reality,
he learned of the Omniverse and its unending alternatives,
Alternative Realities ...
the Omniverse is the collection of All those possibilities"

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None of that is true folks,
I admit it,
I was the one who drew those pages, and added that text,
I had them processed and now they're scanned.

What do mean you have those issues and they're staright from Marvel comics?

So?

I actually placed those pictures withIN all copies ever made of those issues.

hysterical2

Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]FIVE On Panel depictions of the Marvel Omniverse! (actually Illustrated)

..........................................................................

Earth X Trilogy - (2000)

"The Omniverse"

..........................................................................

Infinity Abyss - (2002)

"An Infinity beyond Infinity"

..........................................................................

Exiles - (Mid 2007)

"I offer the Omniverse"

..........................................................................

X-Men Die by the Sword - (Late 2007)

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"

So the Chaos Wave tore DC to pieces .. LOLOLOLOL!!!!
And even REMADE DC ... HAHAHAHAH!!!
..........................................................................

Exiles - (2008)

"Those lights we've been assuming was a star, just as we see from Earth,
they represent entire Dimensions.

I think that's a representation of the entire Omniverse,
we're looking at All Creation"

.................................................................................................................

(Bio)

.................................................................................................................

Spiderman Handbook - (Late 2007)

Core Continuum Designation

"Numerical identification given to each Earth in the Omniverse"

..........................................................................

Avenger Most Wanted Files - (Late 2007)

1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

..........................................................................

Btw. On Panel evidence agrees 100% with this bio:

"Reality ... Brian came to realize the size and breadth of Reality,
he learned of the Omniverse and its unending alternatives,
Alternative Realities ...
the Omniverse is the collection of All those possibilities"

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None of that is true folks,
I admit it,
I was the one who drew those pages, and added that text,
I had them processed and now they're scanned.

What do mean you have those issues and they're staright from Marvel comics?

So?

I actually placed those pictures withIN all copies ever made of those issues.

hysterical2 [/B]

you draw nicely Master 🙂 When is Marvel going to hire you I mean with that hand and that scope of change in each painting...

But then if Roma were to survey the Omniverse and say "Earth-27 looks pretty today." would she be referring to the one in Animal Man or the one in eXiles...?

LT talking of making plans for the Brothers from the Marvel DC crossover with the Spectre:

The point referenced in his bio:

A quote from Marvel.com

Profiles for characters that Marvel has crossed over into can not be created due to Marvel not owning the rights to those characters. This includes any character from DC (JLA/AVENGERS, X-MEN/TEEN TITANS, GREEN LANTERN/SILVER SURFER, etc.), Image, Dynamite ASH VS MARVEL ZOMBIES, RED SONJA/SPIDER-MAN, etc.), and even the Amalgam characters including Access. Access was co-created and therefore neither Marvel or DC own the rights to it.

You can say 'heroes from another reality' in a profile, but you can not mention the actual names of those characters. For example in the Taskmaster profile when he fought characters from the DC Universe I used the following phrase:

"Taskmaster teamed with Shockwave, Whiplash, Crossbones, Zaran the Weapons Master, Tumbler, Razor-Fist, Machete, Conquest and a martial arts expert from the other universe to fight Black Widow, Black Panther and two caped urban knights from the other universe."

It is a discription of the character without naming them. --DragynWulf 20:37, 7 May 2007 (CDT) (Moderator)

"Spectral hooded ally"

In the JLA/Avengers crossover Pulsar absorbed Green Lanterns energies.

Pulsars official bio:

The JLA/Avengers crossover became canon for DC creating its own spin off comic. In Marvel the event is referenced in bios and on the official site it talks of how characters cant be specifically depicted from other comic labels due to copyright but instead are referenced vaguely.

Marvel and DC have separate MULTIVERSES within the same OMNIVERSE

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
But then if Roma were to survey the Omniverse and say "Earth-27 looks pretty today." would she be referring to the one in Animal Man or the one in Exiles...?

Direct that question to Marvel. At the end of the day all i can tell you is what is shown and that is that Marvel and DC are within the same Omniverse but occupy separate multiverses.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I was under the impression that all the universes in Marvel's omniverse were given an "Earth-####" designation.

hey X check this out,

here is the LT holding the power of TWO MEgaverseS withIN GS's single Multiverse:

According to the official Marvel Handbook of 2006,
hey, the LT is dealing with TWO MegaverseS:

"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the BROTHERS,
each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse,
within the larger Omniverse but encompassing MORE than a single Multiverse"
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TWO MegaverseS withIN GS's single Multiverse.

Yea, even though each Megaverse is a collection of MultiverseS. ka-dur

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
But then if Roma were to survey the Omniverse and say "Earth-27 looks pretty today." would she be referring to the one in Animal Man or the one in eXiles...?

Good question since they are both realities in Marvel and DC toss a coin???