Originally posted by Mr Master
The Concept's power was left, the Sentience was gone.Maelstrom usurps it's position as the Sentience, thus claiming it's power.
Which is why I've always said that the M-body can manifest in it's totality,
meaning Sentience & Power, and still maintain it's Universal purpose.
You and whoever else are the ones making an argument supporting M-bodys manifesting in portions,
not me.
nah, you did it again. nothing can be "ALL GONE" and yet "still have something behind." that's exactly what you're doing. how could the power be left behind when the TOTALITY of that power was tossed into oblivion? the sentience (according to you) was also tossed into oblivion. no power, no sentience -- NOTHING left to usurp. yet malestrom usurped the concept . . .? 😕
you proportioned totality again at the end. you split sentience and power from purpose. to appear in it's totality would INCLUDE bearing its purpose. to kill an abstract as you see them would be to RID THE UNIVERSE OF THAT CONCEPT. kill mistres love -- no one loves anything ever again. kill hate. no more hate felt anywhere in the universe ever. kill infinity. no more time passes.
makes no sense to see things that way.
Originally posted by leonidas
you're changing the question . . . eternity was referencing the BLAST, nothing more. he'd already been defeated, he knew the full power of the ig was beyond him. he said nothing against that. he DID say the [b]blast would have been nothing to him. having fought the ig he would know this to be true. 🙂 [/B]
Having fought the IG,
he should know he's lying when he says the IG would not affect him.
But I'm done.
Believe what you wish.
Originally posted by leonidas
nah, you did it again.
I haven't done anything once.
But you are doing something again, I've always told you to be thorough, cause I am.
Originally posted by leonidas
nothing can be "ALL GONE" and yet "still have something behind." that's exactly what you're doing.
Your doing it, not me.
I never said "ALL GONE"
Funny, how you quoted someone, not me, but you attribute it to me.
Originally posted by leonidas
how could the power be left behind when the TOTALITY of that power was tossed into oblivion?
Who said the TOTALITY of that power was tossed into Oblivion?
Originally posted by leonidas
the sentience (according to you) was also tossed into oblivion. no power, no sentience -- NOTHING left to usurp. yet malestrom usurped the concept . . .? 😕
Your 😕
cause you're changing my words around:
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Concept's power was left, the Sentience was gone.Maelstrom usurps it's position as the Sentience, thus claiming it's power.
AGAIN,
the Power obviously remained because Maelstrom usurped it.
The Sentience changed, form the Prior Anomaly to Maelstrom.
Originally posted by leonidas
to kill an abstract as you see them would be to RID THE UNIVERSE OF THAT CONCEPT. kill mistres love -- no one loves anything ever again. kill hate. no more hate felt anywhere in the universe ever. kill infinity. no more time passes.
I disagree.
The M-body is the Sentience and Power of the Concept.
Kill the M-body's Sentience and the Concept is up for grabs.
And even the Concept will be meaningless without the Sentience for long.
The M-body of Eternity & Death
(the Sentience & Power of the Universe at the time)
leave their Universe, and enter a neighboring Void of Nothingness:
Immediately afterwards,
the Universe left behind Collapses into Nothingness:
"the Entity's DEPARTURE has DEPRIVED That Universe OF MEANING"
"As it Implodes upon itself, till what was once Infinite Space,
could be bound by a Nutshell"
(the Earth that remained in stasis protected by the Evolved Humans)
"the Sentient Earth waits for a New Entity to come and awaken the Cosmos around it"
continues in the next post ...
And what did the M-body do that left the Universe behind?
It creates an entire Universe from Nothingness.
In FACT,
the Universe explodes outward from the Center of the M-body.
If the M-body is not the Power aswell as the Sentience of the Universe,
why did it collapse when the M-body left?
If the M-body is not the Totality of a Universe,
how did the M-body Create a Universe from Nothingness?
IMO,
the Universe that was left behind could not sustain itself without it's Life Force,
which is Eternity's & Death's Sentience & Power in this occasion.
Originally posted by Mr Master
makes no sense to see things that way.
Well, your view doesn't make sense to me either,
so we're in the same boat.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I haven't done anything once.But you are doing something again, I've always told you to be thorough, cause I am.
Your doing it, not me.
I never said "ALL GONE"
Funny, how you quoted someone, not me, but you attribute it to me.
Who said the TOTALITY of that power was tossed into Oblivion?
Your 😕
cause you're changing my words around:
AGAIN,
the Power obviously remained because Maelstrom usurped it.
The Sentience changed, form the Prior Anomaly to Maelstrom.
you have said repeatedly that the m-body is the totality of the concept. NOW you're saying you hedged your opinion by saying it is NOT the totality but rather only the sentience and the power (whatever that means . . .) yet NOT the concept. clearly then it is NOT the totality because the totality would be EVERYTHING related to the concept. when the eternity m-body is destroyed the ENTIRE universe is gone. ALL OF IT. (according to you).
so now you're backtracking and saying that it is the totality except for . . . the 'purpose'? 😕
can't be both. if it's the totality the concept is destroyed when it is destroyed. if not, then it is NOT the totality. simple as that.
i'll not get into that what if again. i've debated and explained that away more than enough times.
Originally posted by leonidas
you have said repeatedly that the m-body is the totality of the concept.
And I'll say it again,
the M-body is the Totality of the Concept.
Originally posted by leonidas
NOW you're saying you hedged your opinion by saying it is NOT the totality but rather only the sentience and the power (whatever that means . . .) yet NOT the concept.
If we can't keep track of what we're saying,
then the debate isn't going anywhere. 🙁
I NEVER said the Totality is not the Concept, NEVER.
Try and remind me where I said that.
For the Record ...
The M-body is the Sentience - Power - and Conceptual purpose of the Abstract being.
Kill the M-body - you kill the Sentience - the Power and Concept stays behind.
Like in the Anomaly - Maelstrom case.
Like in the Thanos - Eternity case.
Which is probably why the Anomaly returned to it's position Off Panel
once Maelstrom was gone.
Same with Thanos, once he lost his position as the Sentience,
Eternity Off Panel returned to his position.
Now on the other hand
Erase the Concept from existence -
and Sentience - Power and Concept become Non-Existent ...
Death is ERASED across The Entire Multiverse (retconned to Universe)
excerpt from OHOTMU v5 (2006)
"Beyonder made Death Cease to Exist"
(by Erasing the M-BODY!
Originally posted by leonidas
clearly then it is NOT the totality because the totality would be EVERYTHING related to the concept. when the eternity m-body is destroyed the ENTIRE universe is gone. ALL OF IT. (according to you).
If it's Nullified (erased from existence)?
✅
"the number of Universes in the Multiverse shall be one Less than Infinity"
Or Death ... Again
NO MORE DEATH! (no one can die again)
Why?
Cause the M-BODY was Nullified/Erased.
Originally posted by leonidas
so now you're backtracking and saying that it is the totality except for . . . the 'purpose'? 😕
Be thorough and you'll avoid confusing yourself friend.
Originally posted by leonidas
can't be both. if it's the totality the concept is destroyed when it is destroyed. if not, then it is NOT the totality. simple as that.
It is simple isn't it. 🙂
Originally posted by leonidas
i'll not get into that what if again. i've debated and explained that away more than enough times.
"Explained away?"
Ok ... 😉
Originally posted by Mr Master
the M-body is the Totality of the Concept.
okay . . . (just desperately trying to keep track and be thorough . . .) 🙄
I NEVER said the Totality is not the Concept, NEVER. The M-body is the Sentience - Power - and Conceptual purpose of the Abstract being.
okay. so, for the record:
m-body = totality of the concept
totality = concept (conceptual purpose) + power + sentience
Kill the M-body - you kill the Sentience - the Power and Concept stays behind.
oops . . .
m-body = totality
totality = concept (conceptual purpose) + power + sentience
yet, you say kill the m-body and . . . the concept and power stays behind . . .? 😕
impossible. by your definition killing the m-body is tantamount to killing the totality of the concept. nothing should be left behind.
totality is . . . total. you can't say the m-body is the totality THEN say that if it is destroyed parts of it are left behind. you yourself said m-body = sentience, concept and power. wipe all that out by throwing it into oblivion, and there is nothing left. no power. no sentience. no concept.
clearly that did not happen, therefore it is equally clear the m-body does not equal the totality of the abstract.
Originally posted by leonidas
okay . . . (just desperately trying to keep track and be thorough . . .) 🙄okay. so, for the record:
m-body = totality of the concept
totality = concept (conceptual purpose) + power + sentience
oops . . .
m-body = totality
totality = concept (conceptual purpose) + power + sentience
yet, you say kill the m-body and . . . the concept and power stays behind . . .?
impossible. by your definition killing the m-body is tantamount to killing the totality of the concept. [b]nothing
should be left behind.totality is . . . total. you can't say the m-body is the totality THEN say that if it is destroyed parts of it are left behind. you yourself said m-body = sentience, concept and power. wipe all that out by throwing it into oblivion, and there is nothing left. no power. no sentience. no concept.
clearly that did not happen, therefore it is equally clear the m-body does not equal the totality of the abstract. [/B]
Your're still not being thorough 🙂
and for that, I'm finished.
😎
But for the onlookers I'll say this,
lest they become confused by the twisting of my words..
For the Record ...
The M-body is the Sentience - Power - and Conceptual purpose of the Abstract being.
Kill the M-body - you kill the Sentience - the Power and Concept stays behind.
Like in the Anomaly - Maelstrom case.
Like in the Thanos - Eternity case.
Which is probably why the Anomaly returned to it's position Off Panel
once Maelstrom was gone.
Same with Thanos, once he lost his position as the Sentience,
Eternity Off Panel returned to his position.
Now on the other hand
Erase the Concept from existence
and Sentience - Power and Concept become Non-Existent ...
Death is ERASED across The Entire Multiverse (retconned to Universe)
excerpt from OHOTMU v5 (2006)
"Beyonder made Death Cease to Exist"
by Erasing the M-BODY
and for on-lookers: note the use of paradox in master's above post. 🙂
oh, and if you put the m-body in a coma, the sentience still remains active and fully functioning. that also speaks to a seperation between body and sentience.
the entire universe manifests WITHIN the universe. eternity leaves the universe but a universe is left behind. eternity itself says it is a visualization. and those are just a couple of inconsistencies your theory cannot explain.
your explanation does not work in all cases. your intransigence is showing. 🙂
okay, i'll get off your back now. 😄
Originally posted by Utrigita
there is a difference in the scans Mr Master one is universel Death being erased the other is Multiversal death so shouldn't that make a difference between what happens to the (multi)universe
When Beyonder erased Death from the Multiverse, he was Pre-retcon.
Now in the 2006 Bio the Beyonder's feat was retconned to Universal Death.
So Beyonder Officially Erased Death from the Universe.
Thanos erased Universal Death aswell.
