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Originally posted by leonidas
okay . . . (just desperately trying to keep track and be thorough . . .) 🙄

okay. so, for the record:

m-body = totality of the concept

totality = concept (conceptual purpose) + power + sentience

oops . . .

m-body = totality

totality = concept (conceptual purpose) + power + sentience

yet, you say kill the m-body and . . . the concept and power stays behind . . .? 😕

impossible. by your definition killing the m-body is tantamount to killing the totality of the concept. [b]nothing should be left behind.

totality is . . . total. you can't say the m-body is the totality THEN say that if it is destroyed parts of it are left behind. you yourself said m-body = sentience, concept and power. wipe all that out by throwing it into oblivion, and there is nothing left. no power. no sentience. no concept.

clearly that did not happen, therefore it is equally clear the m-body does not equal the totality of the abstract. [/B]

Excellent post.

Mr Master argues that the Mbodys are the totality of the concept and yet goes on to claim that the Mbodys can be killed and yet leave behind their power? 😕

You've done well Leonidas. Anyone who actually analyses the presented arguments can see where the truth lies.

Originally posted by leonidas
and for on-lookers: note the use of paradox in master's above post.

dots

Originally posted by leonidas
oh, and if you put the m-body in a coma, the sentience still remains active and fully functioning. that also speaks to a seperation between body and sentience.

Actually only the Concept's Life Force remained, (maintaining the Universe)

Eternity's M-body is Comatose

Eternity's Sentience was "fully functional?"

hum

Seems completely Nonfunctional

Originally posted by leonidas
the entire universe manifests WITHIN the universe.

✅

Originally posted by leonidas
eternity leaves the universe but a universe is left behind.

And immediately afterwards that Universe Collapses into Nothingness.

And somehow that same M-body that left,

had the power to Create a Universe from Nothingness

Originally posted by leonidas
eternity itself says it is a visualization.

You bought that line,

from the same Eternity that said the IG could not harm his Totality:

"Thanos has now USURPED Eternity's rightful position as the CENTER of ALL REALITY"

Eternity can't be trusted sometimes, it's in the character's nature:

"Eternity ... before the Gems Resurfaced you were the unchallenged lord of ALL That Is"

"Dispersed the Gems no longer threaten your Supremacy on this Plane,

yet you still worry"

"it is Not the IW that concerns you as much as Your Own Desires"

"YES ... Desire strongly motivates my actions"

😆

Eternity lasted that entire issue trying to LIE to the LT,

in order to get his hands on the Gems.

Originally posted by leonidas
and those are just a couple of inconsistencies your theory cannot explain.

your explanation does not work in all cases.

Funny,

I feel the exact same way about your speculations.

Originally posted by leonidas
your intransigence is showing.

Since you put it that way,

I thought it was time since yours has been lingering for pages now. 😛

Originally posted by leonidas
okay, i'll get off your back now. 😄

Thanx, circles were forming. 😏

Originally posted by Mr Master
dots

Actually only the Concept's Life Force remained, (maintaining the Universe)

So you say, but even going by this speculation of yours the Mbody still isnt the totality then. Thats cool 🙂

Philosophy ... that applies ...

Actually only the Concept's Life Force remained, (maintaining the Universe)

Eternity's M-body is Comatose

Eternity's Sentience was "fully functional?"

hum

Seems completely Nonfunctional

🤨

the scan says eternity will break out on its OWN. and yet you say it is completely . . . non-functional . . .? 😕

And immediately afterwards that Universe Collapses into Nothingness.

a whole thread deals with this issue so i'll happily and confidently direct anyone interested in judging the situation for themselves to this link:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=431793&highlight=title%3A%28marvel+the+end%29

makes for some great reading, ill. 😄

always fun mm. 🙂

oh, and if the m-body really WERE of the absolute relevence you say it is, then, i don't know . . . shouldn't the fact that it was comatose have had some sort of visible effect on the universe itself . . .?

enquiring minds want to know! 😄

Don't mind if I do... 😄

How exactly would the universe compress it's totality into a body, and then walk around inside itself?

Originally posted by illadelph12
How exactly would the universe compress it's totality into a body, and then walk around inside itself?

😖hifty:

Originally posted by leonidas
the scan says eternity will break out on its OWN. and yet you say it is completely . . . non-functional . . .?

You've ignored most of my posts.

You only seem to reply to what you feel you have an answer for. 😉

Eternity wasn't Erased or Killed, he was simply Bound.

He's completely Non-Functional until he "breaks free"

Originally posted by leonidas
a whole thread deals with this issue so i'll happily and confidently direct anyone interested in judging the situation for themselves to this link:

makes for some great reading, ill.

Not as great as it could of been,

I'm much more prepared now for the debate.

Before all my info was not at hand, now youpi

I've researched this subject more indepth, my confidence is total. 😎

Originally posted by leonidas
oh, and if the m-body really WERE of the absolute relevence you say it is, then, i don't know . . . shouldn't the fact that it was comatose have had some sort of visible effect on the universe itself . . .?

enquiring minds want to know!

NO!

Cause for the last time, (repetitions are irritating) 🙁

the Concept's Life Force remained, (maintaining the Universe)

Had the Sentience been ERASED from existence,

the Universe would have been toast.

ERASED & KILLED

Two DIFFERENT Stages of existence.

and yes, Nothingness does Exist in Un-Reality.

Originally posted by leonidas
enquiring minds want to know!

They also wanna know how this happened:

"the Midnight SKY is COLLAPSING ...

FALLING in upon the Earth upon which they stand transfixed"

"EVERY ONE of its STARWORLDS Falling straight down on them!"

"as the Black STUFF of SPACE takes SHAPE ...

a SHAPE Dr Strange knows all too well"

"Towering above the Greenwich Village Skyline, FRAMED against absolute BLANK EMPTINESS, there stands ETERNITY!"

"below the crowds slip from shock into stark, raving fear, as more more of their numbers become AWARE"

In order for the M-body to be shaped,

Reality/the Universe itself Warps and Morphs into Eternity

while still manifesting within it's own Universe

Originally posted by leonidas
enquiring minds want to know!

They also want to know:

The M-body of Eternity & Death

(the Sentience & Power of the Universe at the time)

leave their Universe, and enter a neighboring Void of Nothingness:

Immediately afterwards,

the Universe left behind Collapses into Nothingness:

"the Entity's DEPARTURE has DEPRIVED That Universe OF MEANING"

"As it Implodes upon itself, till what was once Infinite Space,

could be bound by a Nutshell"

(the Earth that remained in stasis protected by the Evolved Humans)

"the Sentient Earth waits for a New Entity to come and awaken the Cosmos around it"

And what did the M-body do that left the Universe behind?

It creates an entire Universe from Nothingness.

In FACT,

the Universe explodes outward from the Center of the M-body.

If the M-body is not the Power aswell as the Sentience of the Universe,

why did it collapse when the M-body left the Universe?

If the M-body is not the Totality of a Universe (Sentience & Power/Concept)

how did the M-body Create a Universe from Nothingness?

Originally posted by illadelph12
How exactly would the universe compress it's totality into a body, and then walk around inside itself?

Doesn't work like that Ill,

these cats have been thinking I'm saying,

Eternity's M-body is an actual Universe as it's wandering around inside it's own Universe, that's incorrrect.

When I say the Totality of the Abstract, I mean it's Sentience/Concept and Power.

Even so, Planets can be plucked out of Eternity's M-body.

Beings can enter the M-body of Eternity and end up inside the Actual Universe

Or Galaxies if you prefer a more dramatic effect

Originally posted by Mr Master
You've ignored most of my posts.

You only seem to reply to what you feel you have an answer for. 😉

😂

it was at your own behest of not knotting up your thread that i kept my responses brief and only addressed those points that i've not already answered several times over. if a more in-depth debate is what you're after, i'll be your huckleberry. 😉

Eternity wasn't Erased or Killed, he was simply Bound.

He's completely Non-Functional until he "breaks free"

really? what does non-functional mean to you, exactly? the universe seemed to be working just fine, (though the m-body was certainly not . . .) the sentience itself was fighting the binding and winning, so . . . what exactly was non-functional . . .?

Not as great as it could of been,

I'm much more prepared now for the debate.

Before all my info was not at hand, now youpi

I've researched this subject more indepth, my confidence is total. 😎

😂

well . . . goody! i've no problem doing it up again . . . 😄

Originally posted by illadelph12
How exactly would the universe compress it's totality into a body, and then walk around inside itself?

😆

It's Marvel this is actually plausible, if a serum can give you the power of a million exploding suns. Actually it's best not to ask or some fool😖hifty: (not Leo(not that Leo is a fool)) will try and actually justify saying something like that.

- FO!!

Originally posted by Mr Master
NO!

Cause for the last time, (repetitions are irritating) 🙁

the Concept's Life Force remained, (maintaining the Universe)

Had the Sentience been ERASED from existence,

the Universe would have been toast.

ERASED & KILLED

Two DIFFERENT Stages of existence.

and yes, Nothingness does Exist in Un-Reality.

you mean like if the totality of a concept was say . . . thrown into oblivion, then that concept should be toast . . ?

😖hifty:

and said concept's 'life force' DID remain, but it was bound and -- according to you -- non-functioning. so how did the universe maintain itself even though the life force was bound and non-functioning . . .?

Originally posted by leonidas
you mean like if the totality of a concept was say . . . thrown into oblivion, then that concept should be toast . . ?

😖hifty:

and said concept's 'life force' DID remain, but it was bound and -- according to you -- non-functioning. so how did the universe maintain itself even though the life force was bound and non-functioning . . .?

- FO!!