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Originally posted by leonidas
i understand your contention. but there is no 'degree' of totality. if the m-body is the concept as you say, the concept should have been killed by malestrom, ie., there should have been no more 'anomoly concept' for malestrom to take over. there was. clear evidence supports this in that malestrom usurped that role for a short time (as thanos usurped eternity's role with the IG -- both subverted the sentience of the abstract forms they usurped, is the way i will always understand it) until malestrom was killed as well. even after HIS death the concept remained and later manifested a new m-body -- the one quasar battled. neither malestrom or the anomaly m-body meant anything to the concept which survived both their deaths because the concept is not fully conceptualized in the m-body. if it were, it would have died twice -- when malestrom killed it and when malestrom died.

Maelstrom killed the M-body of the Anomaly,

and the Full Power and Status of the Anomaly became Maelstrom's.

IMO - That means M-body = Full Power and Sentience of the Concept

I read your opinion,

I'm not changing my view, so there's no point in replying. 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
gs brought up eternity's reference when warlock blasted him. eternity itself says it is only a representation.

IMO

Eternity was talking rubbish,

He said,

"if this were not but a visualization of my totality, the Gauntlet's affect would have been non-exstent"

Gibberish.

Thanos with the IG defeated and took over Eternity's Totality.

And if that wasn't his Totality because they battled within the Universe, then when has Eternity ever appeared in his Totality?

If he can't do it in the Dimension of Manifestations and he can't do it within the Universe,

then when?

Originally posted by leonidas
even after usurping eternity's role, eternity's m-body remained behind. i don't see how it could have done so if the m-body WAS the universe, how could it exist IN the universe and more importantly how could thanos AND the eternity m-body -- BOTH of whom you say were the totality of the universe -- exist at the same time?? it makes no sense.

Actually it's not surprising at all to me, that the M-body was left behind.

After all, it is a separate Entity.

The Fractal Shell of Eternity was left over,

not Eternity the Sentience & Power,

that became Thanos.

Originally posted by leonidas
it is easily explained away by m-bodies that are NOT the totality of any concept.

Not imo ...

since there's not a shred of evidence stated On Panel of in a bio that even suggest that.

Originally posted by leonidas
exactly. they ALSO use m-bodies so THEY don't "really have to attend". in exactly the same way an abstract uses an m-body without "actually having to attend." BOTH use m-bodies for the EXACT same reason.

"Where does it say "Both"

I only see,

"Certain PHYSICAL Entities ALSO enlist our services so they may be able to

put in an Appearance somewhere Without actually Attending"

The Abstract Entities have NO bodies, so they can make an M-body at anytime when ever they need to be somewhere,

Anthro. is specifically talking about "PHYSICAL BEINGS"

I can't agree with the M-bodies equaling the totality of an abstract.

It's just plain illogical. M-Bodies are essentially a concept's avatar in the physical plain. For a layman's analogy, it's essentially like us here on this board. Here at KMC I'm illadelph12, but in reality I'm Alex. Illadelph12 is just my representation on the board. Someone could hack my account, a mod could delete me, etc., but Alex still exists, and I can always just create a new account.

M-Body's are essentially the same thing.

"Cosmic forum handles" if you will.

[And yes, I know that's a comical comparison, but it's perfectly logical].

Originally posted by leonidas
and yet LT noticed quasar at the trial. clearly they are MORE than just reflections -- they were still acting independently, it wasn't just a 'recording of a past event', or a static reflection.

Again, not surprisingly it was the Living Tribunal that acknowledged Quasar.

The only being there that Truly Exist Simultaneously Everywhere at once:

Originally posted by leonidas
the m-bodies there reacted and were angered by quasar's appearance.

None of the M-bodies there reacted or said a word to Quasar.

Originally posted by leonidas
are you saying that LT, the one at the trial who was angered by quasar's interruption, was somehow less than a more 'current' version of LT would be?

The only being I consider being able to possibly manifest simultaneously in different locations is LT,

cause I read it On Panel.

Originally posted by leonidas
or that the eternity m-body that quasar asked to lead him to its spiritual essence was less powerful than a more 'current' eternity?

certainly not the impression that quasar gave.

Quasar's words fell on deaf ears.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I can't agree with the M-bodies equaling the totality of an abstract.

It's just plain illogical. M-Bodies are essentially a concept's avatar in the physical plain. For a layman's analogy, it's essentially like us here on this board. Here at KMC I'm illadelph12, but in reality I'm Alex. Illadelph12 is just my representation on the board. Someone could hack my account, a mod could delete me, etc., but Alex still exists, and I can always just create a new account.

M-Body's are essentially the same thing.

"Cosmic forum handles" if you will.

[And yes, I know that's a comical comparison, but it's perfectly logical].

The chips haven't all been drawn yet,

I'm still at work. 😎

Originally posted by Mr Master
You didn't know that brother G,

I'm offended 😛

But seriously,

had Galactus been able to erase the Universe on a whim, he wouldn't have bothered absorbing it gradually.

But for the onlookers,

that's why I wrote included

You know how it is. 😛

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually it's not surprising at all to me, that the M-body was left behind.

After all, it is a separate Entity.

yep. i agree 100%. exactly what i've said all along. 🙂 only difference is i think the m-body was ALWAYS irrelevent -- even before thanos took over the sentience. it was ALWAYS the sentience that mattered.

Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]Maelstrom killed the M-body of the Anomaly,

and the Full Power and Status of the Anomaly became Maelstrom's.

IMO - That means M-body = Full Power and Sentience of the Concept

I read your opinion,

I'm not changing my view, so there's no point in replying. 🙂[qb]

fair enough. final point then: according to you the "totality of the concept" was slain when the anomaly m-body was slain. moreso even -- it was tossed into oblivion so there was NO CONCEPT LEFT. how do you reconcile him usurping a concept that no longer exists?

changing tactics for a moment: let's change examples and use master hate. when master hate manifests in an m-body, you say that he IS hate. he IS the totality of ALL hate in the universe. but, people still hate each other, don't they, even when he manifests? or are you saying that the universe becomes totally peaceful when he takes an m-body?

And if that wasn't his Totality because they battled within the Universe, then when has Eternity ever appeared in his Totality?

If he can't do it in the Dimension of Manifestations and he can't do it within the Universe,

then when?

why is it necessary for him to EVER have manifested in the totality?

Originally posted by Mr Master
since there's not a shred of evidence stated On Panel of in a bio that even suggest that.

that's incorrect. there is perfectly clear, 100% black and white on-panel evidence stated by eternity himself telling warlock that he is merely a visualization.

you just say that he was speaking gibberish. 😬

Originally posted by leonidas
that's incorrect. there is perfectly clear, 100% black and white on-panel evidence stated by eternity himself telling warlock that he is merely a visualization.

you just say that he was speaking gibberish. 😬

😆 The guy is clueless Leo. Give it up man.
He's just a kid he hasn't a clue.

- FO!!

Originally posted by Mr Master
"Where does it say "Both"

I only see,

"Certain PHYSICAL Entities ALSO enlist our services so they may be able to

put in an Appearance somewhere Without actually Attending"

The Abstract Entities have NO bodies, so they can make an M-body at anytime when ever they need to be somewhere,

Anthro. is specifically talking about "PHYSICAL BEINGS"

depending on how you read it, 'both' (physicals and abstracts) are implied by the term 'also'. also in that like the abstracts the physicals ALSO use m-bodies to appear somewhere else without actually being there.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I can't agree with the M-bodies equaling the totality of an abstract.

It's just plain illogical. M-Bodies are essentially a concept's avatar in the physical plain. For a layman's analogy, it's essentially like us here on this board. Here at KMC I'm illadelph12, but in reality I'm Alex. Illadelph12 is just my representation on the board. Someone could hack my account, a mod could delete me, etc., but Alex still exists, and I can always just create a new account.

M-Body's are essentially the same thing.

"Cosmic forum handles" if you will.

[And yes, I know that's a comical comparison, but it's perfectly logical].

it's actually a GREAT comparison . . . alex . . . heheh 😄

ps: i was wondering what name was gonna be on that wedding invitation you were gonna send my way . . . 😄

Originally posted by leonidas
yep. i agree 100%. exactly what i've said all along. 🙂 only difference is i think the m-body was ALWAYS irrelevent -- even before thanos took over the sentience. it was ALWAYS the sentience that mattered.

The M-body cannot be irrelevent,

because it's through the M-body that Death was erased by the Beyonder, and it's Canon.

It was throught the M-body that Thanos became the Universe.

It was through the M-body that Mealstrom became the Anomaly.

And this is plain "black & white"

The UNIVERSE materializing Into ETERNITY before Strange

"the Midnight SKY is COLLAPSING ...

FALLING in upon the Earth upon which they stand transfixed"

"EVERY ONE of its STARWORLDS Falling straight down on them!"

"as the Black STUFF of SPACE takes SHAPE ...

a SHAPE Dr Strange knows all too well"

"Towering above the Greenwich Village Skyline, FRAMED against absolute BLANK EMPTINESS, there stands ETERNITY!"

"below the crowds slip from shock into stark, raving fear, as more more of their numbers become AWARE"

In order for the M-body to be shaped,

Reality itself Warps and Morphs into Eternity.

If this isn't the actual Universe becoming an M-body,

as you wish then ... 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
fair enough. final point then: according to you the "totality of the concept" was slain when the anomaly m-body was slain. moreso even -- it was tossed into oblivion so there was NO CONCEPT LEFT. how do you reconcile him usurping a concept that no longer exists?

The Concept's power was left, the Sentience was gone.

Maelstrom usurps it's position as the Sentience, thus claiming it's power.

Originally posted by leonidas
changing tactics for a moment: let's change examples and use master hate. when master hate manifests in an m-body, you say that he IS hate. he IS the totality of ALL hate in the universe. but, people still hate each other, don't they, even when he manifests? or are you saying that the universe becomes totally peaceful when he takes an m-body?

Which is why I've always said that the M-body can manifest in it's totality,

meaning Sentience & Power, and still maintain it's Universal purpose.

You and whoever else are the ones making an argument supporting M-bodys manifesting in portions,

not me.

Originally posted by leonidas
why is it necessary for him to EVER have manifested in the totality?

To not lose his Totality like he did vs Thanos.

Of course, that was his Totality, and that's exactly why Thanos

took his position as the actual entire Universe.

So much for his claim that the IG would not harm his Totality.

Originally posted by leonidas
that's incorrect. there is perfectly clear, 100% black and white on-panel evidence stated by eternity himself telling warlock that he is merely a visualization.

you just say that he was speaking gibberish.

He was speaking gibberish,

cause he said Thanos could not harm his Totality, which is false.

"Thanos has now USURPED Eternity's rightful position as the CENTER of ALL REALITY"

😎

Originally posted by leonidas
depending on how you read it, 'both' (physicals and abstracts) are implied by the term 'also'. also in that like the abstracts the physicals ALSO use m-bodies to appear somewhere else without actually being there.

I disagree,

"Also" ... as in Also enlist our services

"Certain PHYSICAL Entities ALSO enlist our services so they may be able to

put in an Appearance somewhere Without actually Attending"

Anthropomorpho Never hinted at it being the Abstracts now, before, or after this scan,

just "Physical Beings"

Originally posted by Mr Master
He was speaking gibberish,

cause he said Thanos could not harm his Totality, which is false.

"Thanos has now USURPED Eternity's rightful position as the CENTER of ALL REALITY"

😎

you're changing the question . . . eternity was referencing the BLAST, nothing more. he'd already been defeated, he knew the full power of the ig was beyond him. he said nothing against that. he DID say the blast would have been nothing to him. having fought the ig he would know this to be true. 🙂