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Originally posted by Nikkolas
Mr. M, how would you say the Hunger would do against Abraxas?

Hunger eats universes, right?

That's true, the Hunger feeds on Universes.

But the Hunger must manifest a good portion of it's being into said Universe or it can be stopped fairly easily.

The Hunger usually feeds on young Universes that haven't developed protectors yet.

Now on the other hand,

we have Abraxas,

I thought Abraxas needed to actually enter a Universe in order to destroy it,

but I recently learned,

Abraxas only needs to come close to a Universe and that Reality begins to collapse.

So while the Hunger must not only enter, but enter with a portion of itself, Abraxas can destroy UniverseS, without ever even entering them. Just his presence from a close distance is enough to Fold Realities.

Abraxas FTW. ... IMO

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Also, the true Infinity Being is far stronger than any IG Wielder?

I would have to say yes.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Around LT-Level?

If I had to guess, based on what the IB was,

I'd put him above the LT, because the IB existed before the LT, before anything, it essentially created the Omniverse, it's quite possible the IB is what TOAA/God is now.

Perhaps the IB was a combination of TOAA/God.

Actually I'm going ahead of myself,

TOAA/God are the Artist and Writer if you ask me,

characters or the Hierarchy begins with the LT nowadays, TOAA/God are inconsequential.

after having recently seen the Mr. immortal respect thread and coming to find out he Will be the one left at the end of all things and will find the secret of the universe . . . where would he be placed on the hierarchy?

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's true, the Hunger feeds on Universes.

But the Hunger must manifest a good portion of it's being into said Universe or it can be stopped fairly easily.

The Hunger usually feeds on young Universes that haven't developed protectors yet.

Now on the other hand,

we have Abraxas,

I thought Abraxas needed to actually enter a Universe in order to destroy it,

but I recently learned,

Abraxas only needs to come close to a Universe and that Reality begins to collapse.

So while the Hunger must not only enter, but enter with a portion of itself, Abraxas can destroy UniverseS, without ever even entering them. Just his presence from a close distance is enough to Fold Realities.

Abraxas FTW. ... IMO

I would have to say yes.

If I had to guess, based on what the IB was,

I'd put him above the LT, because the IB existed before the LT, before anything, it essentially created the Omniverse, it's quite possible the IB is what TOAA/God is now.

Perhaps the IB was a combination of TOAA/God.

Actually I'm going ahead of myself,

TOAA/God are the Artist and Writer if you ask me,

characters or the Hierarchy begins with the LT nowadays, TOAA/God are inconsequential.

Mr. M, have u heard of the Dragon of the Moon

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
after having recently seen the Mr. immortal respect thread and coming to find out he Will be the one left at the end of all things and will find the secret of the universe . . . where would he be placed on the hierarchy?

In terms of durability/role: Well he is the only "truly" immortal character in Marvel except for TOAA, [and possibly LT]....... So he would be at the top imo.

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
after having recently seen the Mr. immortal respect thread and coming to find out he Will be the one left at the end of all things and will find the secret of the universe . . . where would he be placed on the hierarchy?

That's a good question.

Mr Immortal's ability to inflict damage on the members of the Hierarchy are zero,

yet he will outlive them all, Fate deems it that way, in Marvel one's "Fate" is dependent on the wishes of TOAA/God ... so this is true.

The Hierarchy, atleast the one I try and keep up with, is designed for characters who possess power to affect an area outside of themselves, Mr Immortal is a God, but only when it comes to himself, his power has no influence outside of himself.

There's a Hierarchy that's more appropriate for the likes of Mr Immortal,

the recent Healing Fator Hierarchy ... I believe Mr Immortal is the number 1 contender.

mr you said before there were 7 infinity gems created by the infinity being,soul,mind,space,time,power,reality.and the seventh gem was the beings conciseness,what happened to that gem.thanks

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's a good question.

Mr Immortal's ability to inflict damage on the members of the Hierarchy are zero,

yet he will outlive them all, Fate deems it that way, in Marvel one's "Fate" is dependent on the wishes of TOAA/God ... so this is true.

The Hierarchy, atleast the one I try and keep up with, is designed for characters who possess power to affect an area outside of themselves, Mr Immortal is a God, but only when it comes to himself, his power has no influence outside of himself.

There's a Hierarchy that's more appropriate for the likes of Mr Immortal,

the recent Healing Fator Hierarchy ... I believe Mr Immortal is the number 1 contender.

oh i see i didnt realise there was another hierarchy . . . I've been gone a while 😮 thanks though!

Originally posted by lordboo
mr you said before there were 7 infinity gems created by the infinity being,soul,mind,space,time,power,reality.and the seventh gem was the beings conciseness,what happened to that gem.thanks

During the Godwheel saga, the Seventh Gem appeared out of nowhere, apparently it was Sentient before any of the other Gems.

It took Sersi as a Host, and then the Grandmaster took control of Sersi and bargained a game with Loki, Loki won the game, Sersi was delivered to Loki who had the other Six Gems, and when the Seventh Gem fullfilled its purpose (to reach the other 6 Gems) it left Sersi's body and joind the 6 Gems to re-create Nemesis the Infinity Being.

After Nemesis split up, I'm not sure what happened to the Seventh Gem, I would have to look into that, I know 4 of the Gems became Sentient Beings (Power-Soul-Mind-Space) and left on an unknown mission.

When they lost their Physical forms is beyond me, but they are now Gems again, yet still Sentient in some ways, in Illuminarti, they seemed to act independently at one point.

Originally posted by invisiblewoman
oh i see i didnt realise there was another hierarchy . . . I've been gone a while 😮 thanks though!

I recently saw a physical strength hierarchy, so go figure. 🙂

yeah its hard to keep up sometimes 😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
I know 4 of the Gems became Sentient Beings (Power-Soul-Mind-Space)

Does the Ego gem (By itself) have any powers?

So, the Infinity Being was all there was...so it wasn't so much a universe in and of itself like Original Beyonder but a single being in an emptiness?

That really does sound like God.

Has what Thanos said of the being been confirmed by fact? Like when Nemesis came about, did we get any more proof of this? Some people might shrug it off as myth and hyperbole.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Has what Thanos said of the being been confirmed by fact? Like when Nemesis came about, did we get any more proof of this? Some people might shrug it off as myth and hyperbole.

True but only Thanos seems to mention specifically more than one universe/reality. A GalacticStorm can claim it's hyperbole because nothing else says the being created all of Marvel beyond just the 616 universe except for that one line from Thanos.

Of course, the fact the Nemesis can obliterate universes on a whim and create new ones when dying and it's not even as powerful as it once was, lends definite weight to the idea.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Soul was already sentient...

But it hadn't taken form though.

At the end IG Ultraverse saga, the 4 Gems took on creature like humanoid bodies.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Does the Ego gem (By itself) have any powers?

Yes it does.

The Ego Gem, also called the Dimensional Gem, granted its wearer the ability to travel between dimensions in the multiverse and omniverse, as well as detect and control the energies found in the chronal and dimensional stream.

Using these energies, the wearer could banish opponents to other dimensions or force other-dimensional beings to return home, as well as summon other beings. The wearer can also see and attack beings in bordering dimensions, like the Ethereal or Astral.

The wearer could use the surface of the Dimensional Gem as a scrying pool and peer into other dimensions, but its most important function was that this gem contained most of the consciousness of the Infinity Being, who would later be reborn as Nemesis.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
So, the Infinity Being was all there was...so it wasn't so much a universe in and of itself like Original Beyonder but a single being in an emptiness?

That really does sound like God.

Actually it did encompass one Universe. One truly Infinite Universe.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Has what Thanos said of the being been confirmed by fact? Like when Nemesis came about, did we get any more proof of this? Some people might shrug it off as myth and hyperbole.

It's good to have multiple sources to avoid a claim being called hyperbole.

Diana of the Dark Shoppe of the Ultra-verse (located in another Multiverse) tells the tale:

"There was a God with the power of Infinity, even with control of All that is"

"All the Gems, if they are used in concert, it will mean the End of All Realities as we know them"

Diana states, "In Your Universe" (616)

IMO, she said this because the 616 Reality was the First Universe,

which expanded into a Multiverse, and more (but it all stems from the Infinity Being)

Every Reality in the Prime Multiverse is but an Altered copy of 616.

Mr. M, this guy is arguing that the Beyonder retcons aren't all retcons.

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The First and Third aren't Retcons at all no matter how you try to spin it ...the second one looks familiar cant remember it its in continuity though

After Beyonder became Cosmos Molecule man who blamed Beyonder for his life going to shit ripped the Beyonder's essence out of Cosmos to battle him to the death...which should also be in the fist set of scans.

After Reece nearly kills Beyonder Kubik begs for Beyonders life so he could be restoed to Cosmos ( whom he carrying in his arms in the first scans) Reece realizes that Kubik loves Cosmos and restores Cosmos/Beyonder ...the experience of being ripped apart an nearly destroyed in such a manner drives Cosmos insane she noe staerts calling herself The Maker.

NOT a retcons of any sort..nice try though

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Mr. M, this guy is arguing that the Beyonder retcons aren't all retcons.

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The First and Third aren't Retcons at all no matter how you try to spin it ...the second one looks familiar cant remember it its in continuity though

After Beyonder became Cosmos Molecule man who blamed Beyonder for his life going to shit ripped the Beyonder's essence out of Cosmos to battle him to the death...which should also be in the fist set of scans.

After Reece nearly kills Beyonder Kubik begs for Beyonders life so he could be restoed to Cosmos ( whom he carrying in his arms in the first scans) Reece realizes that Kubik loves Cosmos and restores Cosmos/Beyonder ...the experience of being ripped apart an nearly destroyed in such a manner drives Cosmos insane she noe staerts calling herself The Maker.

NOT a retcons of any sort..nice try though

Other than the Molecule Man Kosmos drama,

this person has no idea what they're talking about.

How can the First retcon (Kosmos) not be a retcon?

Or the Third (Maker)?

Is this person serious?

Kosmos never went insane either, that's a complete fallacy.

The Maker went insane on her own,

because the Beyonder put his Universal scale powers in the Mortal frame of the Maker.

Meh, tell this cat to come challenge my claims with scans, like I provided.

Okie dokie then.

Why don't you have the Infinity Being on your official hierarchy, though?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Diana of the Dark Shoppe of the Ultra-verse (located in another Multiverse) tells the tale:

"There was [B]a God with the power of Infinity, even with control of All that is"

"All the Gems, if they are used in concert, it will mean the End of All Realities as we know them" [/B]