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Originally posted by Nikkolas
Okie dokie then.

Why don't you have the Infinity Being on your official hierarchy, though?

The next Hierarchy I make will include every character possible, retconned or not.

I haven't decided to make it yet, cause I'm still bumping into uber characters,

like the Masters of the Matrix.

I'm also trying to fully understand other obscure uber cats like the TimeKeepers,

I satisfy myself by reading as much on panel and bio info I can on these subjects.

I don't see much more down the road for now, soon enough the new Hierarchy will be posted, which has changed much since the first page of this thread.

Mr. M, another guy was looking at your retcons and said the second retcon wasn't a retcon. It's an alternate universe Beyonder.

Also, I'm curious of something.

Looking through the IG thread, it seems the Gems were not allowed to function all at once twice. Why was LT's ruling lifted? And then why did hey make it so they couldn't work together again?

Originally posted by Mr Master
But it hadn't taken form though.

At the end IG Ultraverse saga, the 4 Gems took on creature like humanoid bodies.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Mr. M, another guy was looking at your retcons and said the second retcon wasn't a retcon.

It's an alternate universe Beyonder.

No such thing as an "alternate Universe" Beyonder, .... only One Beyonder in existence.

The Beyonder was in the Guardians of the Galaxy "Timeline" because he can hop across DimensionS/UniverseS easily. In fact, at the end of that arc, Eternity clearly states this when he reprimanded Beyonder for messing with the Multiverse (Not just some "alternate" universe)

Same scan I posted two pages ago:

"You bear the responsibility for creating this situation with your Cross-Multiversal tampering to appease you personal boredom"

"You are deemed worthy to retain your omnipotent position within your own Universe"

The Beyonder has always been the Beyond Realm, or, his own Universe.
Beyonder came to this Multiverse from outside it, he has no counter-parts.

The Retcon, is the fact that he changed from Kosmos (a complete sentient Cube being) to the Beyonder again, who encompasses his own Universe within the Multiverse (simultaneously cut off from it) but is weaker than Eternity.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Also, I'm curious of something.

Looking through the IG thread, it seems the Gems were not allowed to function all at once twice.

Why was LT's ruling lifted?

Because of the Magus in the Infinity War affair.

Warlock wanted to use the IG against Magus who had 5 Cosmic Containment Units, Galactus went to the LT to allow the Gems to work in unison:

"HIs judgement is obviously keeping the GEMS from working together"

Galactus has to PLEAD to the Living Tribunal to ALLOW the Gauntlet to function.

Since it was Eternity who convinced the Tribunal to rule against the IG,
only Eternity now can make the Living Tribunal change his ruling:

Eternity agrees, realizing the impending danger and faints:

A single phrase uttered by LT allows the IG to harness it's immense power:

The result in an instant

As you know the Magus had tricked the Heroes and ended up with the Incomplete IG.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
And then why did hey make it so they couldn't work together again?

Because of the Magus.

The IG in the wrong hands would be terrifying, at the end of the IW arc, Eternity appeared and stated the restrictions were in-affect again, he actually said that the power that the LT represents (TOAA) said this.

Originally posted by King Kandy
How'd they get back to normal then? 'cause their clearly stones again in Illuminati.

I pointed that out before, they are Gems again.

I'm looking into where or how did this happen,

hopefully there's on panel material on it, at the very least a bio.

It may have been an off-panel reversion, I hope not.

Hey, Mr. M

do you think someone with just one Infinity Gem could defeat a Phoenix Avatar? ie. could Warlock w/Soul Gem do anything to Jean or Rachel?

mr m what affects and powers do the casket of ancient winters,twilight sword have.
thanks

Originally posted by lordboo
mr m what affects and powers do the casket of ancient winters,twilight sword have.
thanks

Mr. M, have u heard about the Null Life Bomb and Infinity Union

Originally posted by Mr Master
If I had to guess, based on what the IB was,

I'd put him above the LT, because the IB existed before the LT, before anything, it essentially created the Omniverse, it's quite possible the IB is what TOAA/God is now.

Perhaps the IB was a combination of TOAA/God.

Actually I'm going ahead of myself,

TOAA/God are the Artist and Writer if you ask me,

characters or the Hierarchy begins with the LT nowadays, TOAA/God are inconsequential.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Nemesis got punched by Thor (and other heroes), and reeled from it... 😐

Nemesis wasn't the original InfinityBeing.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Nemesis wasn't the original InfinityBeing.

Mr. M, this is the topic i'm having the debate about the Beyonder retcons. Can you read it and offer some advice or counters? I'm sure you know more about the Beyonder than me or the people in there.

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,140373.40/topicseen.html

Alright, 18 more pages and we'll have a updated hierarchy!

Oh yeah, I was considering the thing Unlimited Mike said.

That the Infinity Being created one Multiverse, which TOAA later expanded-also dying by doing so.
This would put him/her bellow the Heart and the Living Tribunal.

Something like this.

1. TOAA/Heart
2. Living Tribunal
3. True Beyonders
4. Infinity Being
5. Infinity Guantlet
6. Incomplete Infinity Gauntlet
7. Ultimate Nullifier

Also, MMJ of the 616th, CB w/ E and AoR, Meggan and Bardock, the Chaos Wave should be poken in there somewhere.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Pretty sure she was, since the Gems were spawned from her...

This is a far cry from the original IB, whom had the power contained within each Gem as part of his being, and whom had truly infinite power.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nemesis [the second version of the IB], was pwned by the Gems themselves, and never realized their full power.

This is a far cry from the original IB, whom had the power contained within each Gem as part of his being, and whom had truly infinite power.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
So the gems are beyond the Heart?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Hey, Mr. M

do you think someone with just one Infinity Gem could defeat a Phoenix Avatar? ie. could Warlock w/Soul Gem do anything to Jean or Rachel?

I doubt a single Gem could be effective against Jean (WPOTC)

or Rachel merged with the Force (although this doesn't exist anymore)

Now against any other Avatar, the Gems, IMO, would be able to cause serious damage, but it depends who's manipulating the Gem. Warlock could mess with the Soul of an average Avatar I'd say.

Rune froze the 616 Timestream with just the Reality Gem.

Remember Warlock using just the Power Gem vs Dr Strange,

Dr Strange had all his Talismans and PREP, yet got Owned like a child.

Thanos re-created the Original Captain Mar-vell completely with just the Reality Gem,

on the other hand, the Reality Gem alone caused an Un-Reality Rift, that could potentially collapse the entire Universe, that Gem, was acting alone though, and it's very difficult to control.

Originally posted by lordboo
mr m what affects and powers do the casket of ancient winters,

Casket of ancient winters,

is a relic originaly from Asgard, when opened, it can reproduce the incredible cold of Niflheim, one of the Asgardian Nine Worlds made of ice.

It was a weapon used by Malekith the Accursed.

Originally posted by lordboo
twilight sword have.

It was created from a Galaxy.

It can open Space Rifts across Dimensions/Universes, and if merged with the Eternal Flame, it can burn up the Nine Worlds (global and pocket dimension realities affiliated with Asgard in some way) Earth is one of them.