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Originally posted by darthgoober
The souls of beings like abstracts are beyond the power of the Soul Gem without the Power Gem backing it. Aside from that, Adam is often hesitant to use the soul rip on beings with powerful personalities, because there's a chance that his mind will be overwhelmed by theirs.

I mean when Beyonder killed Death the entire concept was gone, not even Molecule man could kill a mere flower.
So it seems like the realm of Death is equally as important as the realm of Oblivion.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
So with the power gem and the soul gem you can rip soul's from abstracts?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
- Well, I still don't understand, if someone with both gem's ripped the soul of lets say Abraxas wouldent he be sent to the realm of Death?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I mean when Beyonder killed Death the entire concept was gone, not even Molecule man could kill a mere flower.
So it seems like the realm of Death is equally as important as the realm of Oblivion.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Is that why Adam Warlock couldn't use the soul rip on the In - Betweener?

The Infinity Gauntlet can erase a Concept from existence, therefore killing the Abstract's Spirit.

I've never seen what the Soul Gem and Power Gem can do when combined.

And as the scan said, Warlock couldn't even sense a Soul in Galactus,

and Galactus is not even a total Abstract.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
So with the power gem and the soul gem you can rip soul's from abstracts?
- Well, I still don't understand, if someone with both gem's ripped the soul of lets say Abraxas wouldent he be sent to the realm of Death?

Not every soul is bound to Death.

Look at Pantheons of "gods" ... they have their own hell and heaven for the souls of thier races.

And again, the Spirits of Concepts are on another level.

Abraxas (his consciousness/Spirit) can't die, it can't even be nullified,

he can only be banished back into Eternity.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I mean when Beyonder killed Death the entire concept was gone, not even Molecule man could kill a mere flower.
So it seems like the realm of Death is equally as important as the realm of Oblivion.

Oblivion receives souls that have been either nullified,
(sometimes an entire Universe drops into his realm)

or
souls that have been caught in a Time paradox, and therefore become non-existent.

Oh well, just one more question.

The Infinity Being, was the one that spawned the Infinity Gem's, as we all know this being was stated to be God, and to be the only thing in existance when it lived etc.

Now when Thanos , Adam and Magus had the Gauntlet they also claimed themselves to be God, One with everything in creation etc.

As the apsect's of Infinity Being's power was stored in the gem's, I think it was only as powerful as the true potential of the gem's were.

Sure it commited suicide because it was alone, but if this being was something like The-One-Above-All level wouldent it actually be able to spawn creatures like Jaspers did when he felt alone?
- Would it really be necessary to kill yourself to create well, creation?
Couldent it do that without killing itself?

-- The more you think about it BtW makes you actually connect it to the End, as Thanos sacreficed his power to restore the Multiverse.

Anyways

Obviously IB is above Nemessis, as Nemessis never tapped into the true potential of the gem's.

IB has no actual panel feats what so ever, and I personally belive that it would be beyond a ture Beyonder, but beneath the Living Tribunal.
- But I would also accept it being in the same tier as Thanos with the Heart, but I would need an explanation to that.

Oh, I know you're not putting in Amalgam characters, so the pre-retconned Brothers will stay out, but the retconned was actually in a canon Marvel issue, which means that you would take to put the post-retcon Brothers in the hierarchy.

Also the Pre-retcon Beyonder, should be with the editors since he actually represented a editor, Jim Shooter.
Molecule man even said when defeated to Cap. A, that his powers (Molecule man's) was unimagable to Cap, like the way Beyonder's power was unimagiable to Molecule man, and that is quite a gasp.

Also you never said he was one with both world's at the same time (Beyond realm and Marvel Multiverse) but when he was one with the Marvel Multiverse, wouldent he still be one with the Beyond realm as he is everything that exists there and that the Beyond realm was nothing without him.
He also created a universe/Multiverse infinitely bigger than the Marvel Multiverse and so forth.

Well that was a lot of questions, hope you can answer them all.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The whole story,

you know I'm thorough. 🙂

FP Tyrant was defeated by Galactus in (Cosmic Powers#6) I believe,
or (Silver Surfer-v3#82).

Galactus depowered him.

Then in (Silver Surfer v3#81)
we learn Tyrant's been absorbing energy for ages since he was depowered.

Tyrant then absorbed Gladiator & BRB's energy stores,
Morg & Terrax' power's were also drained, adding it to Tyrant's stores,

Tyrant then drained the powers of Silver Surfer and Ganymede,

(Silver Surfer v3 #82) Jack of Hearts freed all them from the cells that were draining their powers, Tyrant defeated them all, then Galactus came through, and then both Tyrant and Galactus made a truce, for the moment.

(Cosmic Powers #6) Ganymede, Jack of Hearts, Legacy and Terrax jumped Tyrant, Thanos stole a "Sphere of Power" Tyrant had and depowered Tyrant somewhat. Terra actually wounded Tyrant, but they were all defeated.

Thanos then stalemated this slightly depowered Tyrant, satisfied with stalemating Tyrant Thanos teleported away, then we learn Tyrant has a larger "Sphere of Power"

(Cosmic Powers Unlimited #3) Another "Sphere of power" is stolen from Tyrant (depowering him further)

(SIlver Surfer v3 #108) Depowered Tyrant and FED Galactus battle, at first Galactus was absorbing Tyrant's energy stores using his World Ship, but then Tyrant was able to Willfully reverse the flow because of his greater level of Biospheric Energy control, draining Galactus's biospheric energy instead.

(Silver Surfer v3 #109) Tyrant, Morg, Air-Walker and the Toady-drone get Nullified,
Galactus managed to escape.

So what does all this lead to?

Depowered Tyrant defeated Galactus,
by absorbing his Biospheric Energy stores with help from Galactus' World Ship,

biospheric energy, which Tyrant had a better control over than Galactus.

Thanks 👆 a person said that he won because he was stronger then Galactus 🙄 in themes of power

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's a good idea,

after all, it's Our list, we will all figure it out together.

According to who's done what, and who can do (conclusively) though hasn't done.

eg. ER collpsing Reality back into the Cosmic Egg,

he didn't do it, but based on other Facts, we Know he CAN.

We'll also have to gauge the BeyonderS comprehensibly based on the feats of Cosmic Cubes,

and so on,

we'll be dealing with a few of these, but for the most part, everything is in black and white.

Thats actually something that bothers me because obviously The Beyonders are more powerful then Pre-retcon Beyonder (you said so yourself in the beyonders vs beyonder) but a couple of scans shows that the Beyonders, are on level with/below the Living Tribunal.

So what about a section for beings and a section in the thread for Races/organisations. Time keepers etc...

This is a pretty cool feat from Jamie Braddock...

He actually tightened up the Quantum Strings which shape Psylocke..

"I re-knit you, tight as can be."

"Now anyone else who can muck about with reality..... Can't lay a finger on you":

Originally posted by Galan007
This is a pretty cool feat from Jamie Braddock...

He actually tightened up the Quantum Strings which shape Psylocke..

"I [b]re-knit you, tight as can be."

"Now anyone else who can muck about with reality..... Can't lay a finger on you":

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The question on my part is could Jasper somehow overrite that protection?

Originally posted by Utrigita
The question on my part is could Jasper somehow overrite that protection?

IMO,

Jamie > MJJ, overall..

I'm not so sure about that, what has Jamie done that puts him above Jaspers?

Originally posted by King Kandy
I'm not so sure about that, what has Jamie done that puts him above Jaspers?

Yeah, But Jaspers made himself at one with the Universe... Just because Jamie can do something Jaspers can't, doesn't mean they can't be equal in overall power.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, But Jaspers made himself at one with the Universe... Just because Jamie can do something Jaspers can't, doesn't mean they can't be equal in overall power.

By panel feats,

Jamie > MJJ, overall.. [imo of course]. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
He's created a Universe for starters. 🙂

Nope. He created a city within an alternate universe within which he created an avatar of himself to mess around with Excalibur.

When Jamie gets distracted and diverts his attention, what fades? The universe? ❌

The planet? ❌

Just the city Excalibur were in:

And yet some would have you believe he created that entire universe.

Based on what? 😕

The fact that he shot down some stars? Certainly not from on panel statement or depiction.

Within a reality warpers reality warp, the laws of space and time need not apply. Whilst within a warp, the space could appear limitless, however from outside the warp, the area the warp covers could be as small as a telephone box.

Look at the M'kraan crystal for example. As big as a bus looking at it from its outside where the laws of time/space apply, but from inside its confines are limitless.

So him shooting down stars does NOT equate to him having created that universe, especially when its clearly shown that his power only ever created an avatar and the city on that alternate Earth. It is they that disappeared when Jamie got distracted and stopped applying his power within that other reality.

If youre told that Jamie created another universe, ask for evidence where thats stated and ignore a theory based merely on the fact that he shot stars down out of the sky within his reality warp.

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Settle down people. This thread is for everyone to contribute and comment. There are no exclusives here...

Actually let me just ignore the bull shit