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Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Marvel's homepages says that Thanos when absorbed the power of the Heart of the Universe and became the most powerful being in all of Marvel he only destroyed one universe.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Thanos

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Originally posted by King Kandy
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No where in that Bio does it state any quantifiable digits such as "One" or 1.

It says Thanos destroyed "THE" Universe, and recreated "THE" Universe.

"THE" Marvel Universe = the Multiverse.

I've always said if anyone could find an official source that states,

"ONE Universe"

or

"1 Universe"

or

"Single Universe"

then I would concede to it being just "A" Universe and nothing more.

Thanos' Consciousness spread across the Omniverse,

Thanos was everything within the Omniverse.

"I was Everything ... bonded to Omni-Reality"

"I was a grain of sand in a distant Future" (OTHER TimelineS/UniverseS)

"My Awareness continued to expand beyond the material and the Abstract,

into Realms I never suspected even existed"

(this is the same Thanos that became the entire Universe TWICE before)

Continues ....

Here Doom sees himself (from another Timeline/Universe) caught and trapped by Akhenaten:

It's another Timeline/Universe, cause the same Doom can't occupy two separate Realities.

"And I, apparently captured at some point in my own not-so-distant Future"

"Akhenaten's one fear and weakness ... His Past ...

(or Another Timeline/Universe) the Time before he gained the power"

Doom uses his Time Machine to reach the Timeline Aknehaten is from (4321)

"I depart the Present (616) and return to when Aknehaten was but a mere Mortal"

(in reality 4321 which is a Past Timeline of the 616 Reality)

continues in the next post....

Here Akhenaten guards his mortal form in Reality 4321 (a Past Timeline of 616)

"Did you believe I would leave my Past unguarded"

"And so History continued unchanged, under the watchful eye of it's dark guardian"

Here Akhenaten himself states that the Celestial Order ventured into different Realities/Timelines to find him and others:

"Through TIme and Space they searched for their chosen few"

If the Celestial Order was crossing Time & Space,

then they were visiting Timelines, which are Realities/Universes of their own.

continues in the next post....

This is the most concrete Proof, that conclusively tells us,

MORE than one Universe was involved in "Marvel: the END"

Here Vishnu states that Aknehaten originated from the PAST of 616:

"Lord Horus arrives late to a meet concerning dire peril concerning Ancient Egypt"

"Ancient Egypt" is still in existence in some Timeline,

can anyone say the 4321 Timeline.

To further prove that the Past or Future of the 616 Reality are separate Universes,

Here we have Zeus summoning the rest of the Pantheons from other Timelines,

Like Horus:

"Tis also THIER Universe (like 4321) that be imperiled"

And Thanos says,

"meanwhile Doctor Doom was also having HIS Universe (616) badly shaken"

It also tells that Horus came from Akhenaten's Reality (whatever it may be)
But more importantly, it separates Doom's Reality (where the End is taking place)
with Horus' (where Akhenaten is from)

swank

Originally posted by Mr Master
This is the most [B]concrete Proof, that conclusively tells us,

MORE than one Universe was involved in "Marvel: the END"

Here Vishnu states that Aknehaten originated from the PAST of 616:

"Lord Horus arrives late to a meet concerning dire peril concerning Ancient Egypt"

"Ancient Egypt" is still in existence in some Timeline,

can anyone say the 4321 Timeline.

To further prove that the Past or Future of the 616 Reality are separate Universes,

Here we have Zeus summoning the rest of the Pantheons from other Timelines,

Like Horus:

"Tis also THIER Universe (like 4321) that be imperiled"

And Thanos says,

"meanwhile Doctor Doom was also having HIS Universe (616) badly shaken"

It also tells that Horus came from Akhenaten's Reality (whatever it may be)
But more importantly, it separates Doom's Reality (where the End is taking place)
with Horus' (where Akhenaten is from)

swank [/B]

Plus, the timeline would just be an extension of 616.
Do you mean to tell me, that with Doom's time machine, that he can travel to another universe? No, that's not the point of timelines at all... seperate universe I mean.

Also, unless Doom actually has his own universe, then that would stand up. Thanos is talking about just Doom, and things that involve Doom there, otherwise he would have also said his universe, referring to Thanos's.

Now, I don't mean to start a 20 page spanning argument, but can you take a look at this?

Now, we take this part into consideration (although the full scan also says this reality...):

OK, what that tells us, is that Thanos erased the universe that Warlock originates from (or, to you, multiverse), but, the catch here, is that Warlock isn't apart from the actual multiverse. He is part of, and apart from the universe, but not the multiverse.
Although, I'm not telling you what to think, I just want you to think about that.
There are others as well, but meh.

Either way, I don't feel like arguing about this again, I just felt like throwing that in, so, take it apart if you must (or whatever), but I won't respond.

The actual name of the comic is, Marvel Universe: The End

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Now, I don't mean to be a dick,

To each his own.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
but none of that means anything.

😆

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Plus, the timeline would just be an extension of 616.

Incorrect.

Timelines are Realities in of themselves.

Here is a comprehensive list of all the Alternate Earths including diverged Realities,
in the officially sponsored Marvel site.

http://www.marvunapp.com/list/appalte.htm

ALL the possible Futures of 616, the Futures of 616 and the Past of 616

are ALL located in separate UniverseS/Realities.

It makes perfect sense too,

how can the Future the Past and the Present be all happening simultaneously within the same Space? shrug

Impossible.

The Reality that occupies "the Present" is the 616 Universe,

The Realities that occupy "the Past" or "the Future" of the 616 Universe,
are core continuum designated Alternate Realities/Universes,

because the Past ALREADY took place and because the PRESENT hasn't yet.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Do you mean to tell me, that with Doom's time machine,
that he can travel to another universe?

That's exactly what I'm saying.

I figured you'd know something like this BB,

this is Marvel cosmology basics 101.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
No, that's not the point of timelines at all... seperate universe I mean.

Again,

Here is a comprehensive list of all the Alternate Earths including diverged Realities,
in the officially sponsored Marvel site.

http://www.marvunapp.com/list/appalte.htm

ALL the possible Futures of 616, the Futures of 616 and the Past of 616

are ALL located in separate UniverseS/Realities.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Also, unless Doom actually has his own universe, then that would stand up.

dontgetit

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Thanos is talking about just Doom, and things that involve Doom there, otherwise he would have also said his universe, referring to Thanos's.

Thanos is narrating the events that took place,
from the beginning to the point where Warlock finds him in the void.

When Thanos said,

"Doom was ALSO having His Universe badly shaken"

Thanos was differentiating TWO separate UniverseS,

no matter what the heck he meant by what he said.

This you can't dispute.

And if there's MORE than One Universe involved in this story,
then the "One Universe" theory and or opinion/interpretation is moot null and void.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Now, I don't mean to start a 20 page spanning argument, but can you take a look at this?

Now, we take this part into consideration (although the full scan also says [b]this reality...):

OK, what that tells us, is that Thanos erased the universe that Warlock originates from (or, to you, multiverse), [/B]

Actually Thanos is being melodramatic in his factual statements.

Cause the ONLY reason Warlock survived is because,
he was OUTSIDE of Space & Time in Atleza's Realm.

In that scan Thanos says,

"Adam, you have always been Part of this Universe but inexplicably Apart from it, that Saved you"

hm

But in Fact, Anything OUTSIDE of Space & Time survived Thanos' absorption.

Thanos ONLY absorbed All of Reality within the Multiverse (Space & Time)

Or is Gamora also, "Part of this Universe but inexplicably Apart from it?" 😬

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
but, the catch here, is that Warlock isn't apart from the actual multiverse. He is part of, and apart from the universe, but not the multiverse.

This logic isn't working B,

Gamora ALSO Survived,

So is Gamora ALSO, "Part of this Universe but inexplicably Apart from it?"

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Although, I'm not telling you what to think, I just want you to think about that.

I did, but there wasn't much to decipher.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Either way, I don't feel like arguing about this again, I just felt like throwing that in, so, take it apart if you must (or whatever), but I won't respond.

I appreciate your input.

My input:

4321 concerns Akhenaten's origin in specific,

HE came from Reality 4321 ... not the Arc itself.

In issue #1 there are cut scenes of AK's beginnings taking place and how he ended up working for the Celestial Order, that story takes place in Another Time, another Place, hence Reality 4321.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/akhenaton.htm

This is further proven in the actual HOTI and Celestial Order Bios they provide,

now the entire story revolves around the THOTI,

why wasn't it designated to Reality 4321?

In fact,

4321 is not even mentioned.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/celestialorderthanos.htm#Heart

Thanos RECREATED the MULTIVERSE ... IMO based on ALL those facts and these:

Eureka!

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/celestialorderthanos.htm#Heart

"Thanos foiled efforts to stop his plan by Eternity, the Living Tribunal etc ...
but he also Obliterated the Multiverse in the process"

"Thanos did so, using the Heart's power to Re-Create the Multiverse
bereft of the flaw that would have destroyed it"

Marvel 2006 Handbooks:

Thanos gained THOTI ... LT joined champions across Reality ..

Thanos destroyed All that existed"

(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 LT - Bio)

"Thanos claimed THOTI ... Eternity opposed ... Thanos destroyed All of Reality"

(excerpt from the Official Marvel Handbook 2006 Eterntiy - Bio)

Also, notice the reference made to Genis and Entropy destroying the same Eternity.

Genis and Entropy destroyed the Spirit/Consciousness of the Totality of Eternity (the Multiverse)

On Panel clincher:

AGAIN:

Here we have Zeus summoning the rest of the Pantheons from other Timelines,

Like Horus:

"Tis also THIER Universe (like 4321) that be imperiled"

And Thanos says,

"meanwhile Doctor Doom was also having HIS Universe (616) badly shaken"

There's no getting around this,
yall wanted some On Panel Proof that depicted the END taking place in MORE than One Universe,

Well there it is, On Panel.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The actual name of the comic is, Marvel Universe: The End

Actually it's called,

The END: Marvel

(Cover of #1)

(Cover of #6)

The END of Marvel itself:

This isn't surprising,

for even the Totality of Death was threatened:

"Even She would fall victim to the approaching Termination ...

For in the Absence of Life there can be no Death"

mr master a few question for you
who created the klyn and how old is it?
what is known of proemail gods other than tenebrous and aegis?
thanks

Does Eternity represent Life, Time, or both?

Originally posted by Utrigita
Thats actually something that bothers me because obviously The Beyonders are more powerful then Pre-retcon Beyonder (you said so yourself in the beyonders vs beyonder) but a couple of scans shows that the Beyonders, are on level with/below the Living Tribunal.

So what about a section for beings and a section in the thread for Races/organisations. Time keepers etc...

By the Way Mr Master I am constantly when reading through old threads running into the assumption that Galactus can destroy the universe 10 it is supposed to be a watcher that have stated so but cannot find any scan ore anything els so just wanted to tjeck with you.

Originally posted by lordboo
who created the klyn and how old is it?

The Kyln were several truly gargantuan power-generating units on the very edge of the universe, drawing and harnessing power from the expanding universe itself.

Nobody knows their origins,

but they were found centuries ago and converted into both prisons and power generators.

(reference: Thanos #7)

Originally posted by lordboo
what is known of proemail gods other than tenebrous and aegis?
thanks

I'll get back to ya on this one.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Does Eternity represent Life, Time, or both?

Eternity and Infinity together make up the foundation of life/Reality.

Eternity - embodiment of Time

Infinity - embodiment of Space

You can't have one without the other in a legitimate Universe.

Originally posted by Utrigita

I'll get back to this one.

Originally posted by Utrigita
By the Way Mr Master I am constantly when reading through old threads running into the assumption that Galactus can destroy the universe 10 it is supposed to be a watcher that have stated so but cannot find any scan ore anything els so just wanted to tjeck with you.

I'm not sure where the Watcher said that,

but according to the Celestial arc,

it seems theoretically atleast Galactus can swallow the Multiverse, perhaps more.

Galan merged with the sentience of the Totality of Eternity (Multiverse)

Galactus dies, the Multiverse collapses (Abraxas)

Galactus, in his natural state, according to Reed would radiate Energy for all Eternity.

Infinite? 😏

meh, maybe not but there's many reason why I personally believe FP Galactus = the Multiverse.

This is My opinion. 🙂

Ah, Ok, sorry, some messed up fellow from another said it was Marvel Universe: The End (different cover in Sweden, or at least a Swedish title)
- But understandable.

Will you include these beings/artifacts in your new hierarchy?
- Pre-retcon Beyonder and Owen Rence
- Korvac empowered by the universe
- Protege
- Mr. Fantastic's über cannon
- Aspects of Eternity (single universes)