The Midnighter vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by Starscream M
yep, its not PIS when multiple instances of it occur

creshosk is applying real world science/anatomy to a comic, which he shouldnt

Because comics have absolutly nothing to do with anything that resembles real world science.. I mean they don't have skeletons, they don't have gravity, they don't have "electromagnetic specturm" or anything of the like... There's absolutly no basis for anything scientific in comic books...

🙄 Having fun trolling Starscream? I mean it IS the only reason you bother coming to KMC right? It's not like you actually read comics or anyhting.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Right, because it proves the anti wolverine side wrong.

Because comics have absolutly nothing to do with anything that resembles real world science.. I mean they don't have skeletons, they don't have gravity, they don't have "electromagnetic specturm" or anything of the like... There's absolutly no basis for anything scientific in comic books...

🙄 Having fun trolling Starscream? I mean it IS the only reason you bother coming to KMC right? It's not like you actually read comics or anyhting.

(btw, Im not saying it is or isn't PIS that logan gets KOed by bullets)

but my point is that if you start pointing to real anatomy for a reason why something is PIS, then you can find many things (if not most) that occur in comics that don't comport to our science

Either A) Wolverine's entire skeleton isn't compleletly bonded with Adamatium, B) for some reason his skeletal structure is vastely inferior to normal humans and has intire pieces missing or C) it was PIS by writers who didn't a way for Wolverine to be koyed by someone with a gun for the plot to work but couldn't think of anything that made sense.

Option A isn't very likely, since his skeleton has always been stated as being compleletly bonded with Adamantium and option B doesn't even make any sense.... so all we are left with is option C.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Either A) Wolverine's entire skeleton isn't compleletly bonded with Adamatium, B) for some reason his skeletal structure is vastely inferior to normal humans and has intire pieces missing or C) it was PIS by writers who didn't a way for Wolverine to be koyed by someone with a gun for the plot to work but couldn't think of anything that made sense.

Option A isn't very likely, since his skeleton has always been stated as being compleletly bonded with Adamantium and option B doesn't even make any sense.... so all we are left with is option C.

most likely it was a writer who has no clue about the anatomy of the human skull and basically thought there is a hole to the brain from the eye

but the thing is, if that become PIS, then does anything become PIS when writers aren't being accurate with real science?

Originally posted by Starscream M
i never said that comics dont have anything resembling real science...but rather that you cant label something PIS because it doesn't comport with real science/anatomy

I don't know what your induction is... but seriously... Supressed evidence fallacy

Originally posted by Starscream M
(btw, Im not saying it is or isn't PIS that logan gets KOed by bullets)

Originally posted by Starscream M
but my point is that if you start pointing to real anatomy for a reason why something is PIS, then you can find many things (if not most) that occur in comics that don't comport to our science

"Because a few things don't conform, you can't have ANYTHING conform..."

If you ain't saying it, then stop implying it.

Originally posted by Starscream M
most likely it was a writer who has no clue about the anatomy of the human skull and basically thought there is a hole to the brain from the eye

but the thing is, if that become PIS, then does anything become PIS when writers aren't being accurate with real science?

Or do you seriously think that Storm can fly in outer space on solar winds and use sun lasers using "glassine" fragments in clouds?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Either A) Wolverine's entire skeleton isn't compleletly bonded with Adamatium, B) for some reason his skeletal structure is vastely inferior to normal humans and has intire pieces missing or C) it was PIS by writers who didn't a way for Wolverine to be koyed by someone with a gun for the plot to work but couldn't think of anything that made sense.

Option A isn't very likely, since his skeleton has always been stated as being compleletly bonded with Adamantium and option B doesn't even make any sense.... so all we are left with is option C.

Fact is, Wolverine's skull has cavities that allow projectiles to penetrate into his brain. It's clearly happened four times on-panel and people in conversation have alluded to it as well, including Wolverine himself. All four instances were written by different writers; Christoper Yost, Daniel Way, Jason Aaron, and Peter Milligan. There are no scans from Wolverine's vast history of appearances that directly contradict these occurences. You guys who are arguing this point have NOTHING. It's not PIS, it's Wolverine. A comic book character. A feral mutant with foot long claws comin out his damn arms. If you show me a single scan where Professor X or Wolverine state, "You could never plug me in the brain because my adamantium skull provides no access," then maybe you'd have a point. You don't. You don't even have a scan of someone aiming a gun at Wolverine's eyes, ears, nose or throat, shooting him... and it failing to penetrate into his brain. If you did, you'd post them for everyone to see.

This whole "must apply human skull anatomy > feral mutant with an already odd bone structure in a comic" is ridiculous. Take this logic and you'd have to basically argue that Wolverine has no claws. Because claws on a human make no sense. It can't happen in real life. Even though Wolverine has claws on-panel, no. You can't accept it because it contradicts real-life human anatomy... it's PIS.

KMC Flash Update: Any scan of Wolverine having claws is PIS. That can't happen with real world human anatomy. Just FYI. Please resume your normal activities at the end of this message. Thank you. This has been a KMC Flash Update! 😂

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Come on now. How many mutants do we know that have anatomies that are inferior to a normal humans? Half the friggin Morlocks, dude. A lot of mutants have inferior biologies to normal humans. Not every mutant has colorful powers. To many, being a mutant is physically a curse. And oh yes, because basic human anatomy must rule the day when we're dealing with a feral mutant with an already odd bone structure. Okiely dokiely! Simple question: "Since when does having retractable foot long claws in your forearms make sense to basic human anatomy?"

Fact is, Wolverine's skull has cavities that allow projectiles to penetrate into his brain. It's clearly happened four times on-panel and people in conversation have alluded to it as well, including Wolverine himself. All four instances were written by different writers; Christoper Yost, Daniel Way, Jason Aaron, and Peter Milligan. There are no scans from Wolverine's vast history of appearances that directly contradict these occurences. You guys who are arguing this point have NOTHING. It's not PIS, it's Wolverine. A comic book character. A feral mutant with foot long claws comin out his damn arms. If you show me a single scan where Professor X or Wolverine state, "You could never plug me in the brain because my adamantium skull provides no access," then maybe you'd have a point. You don't. You don't even have a scan of someone aiming a gun at Wolverine's eyes, ears, nose or throat, shooting him... and it failing to penetrate into his brain. If you did, you'd post them for everyone to see.

This whole "must apply human skull anatomy > feral mutant with an already odd bone structure in a comic" is ridiculous. Take this logic and you'd have to basically argue that Wolverine has no claws. Because claws on a human make no sense. It can't happen in real life. Even though Wolverine has claws on-panel, no. You can't accept it because it contradicts real-life human anatomy... it's PIS.

KMC Flash Update: Any scan of Wolverine having claws is PIS. That can't happen with real world human anatomy. Just FYI. Please resume your normal activities at the end of this message. Thank you. This has been a KMC Flash Update! 😂

The morlucs have physical disfigurements and deformities... how many of them are missing pieces of their skeleton? Mutants are all born human, the x-gene kicks in during puberty. Just so we are clear, you argument is: Wolverine was born with human anatomy, the x-gene kicked in... and pieces of his skull disappeared? Seriously there is a difference between have x-tra features - like all mutants do - and having less.

Wolverine getting shot in the brain is the very definition of PIS.

... and why would he ever say "You could never plug me in the brain because my adamantium skull provides no access"? That's like me saying "My heart is behind my ribcage." Well of course it is, that's how it works.

Someone with a myspace account should post a question on Joe Quesada's Cup'o'joe and ask him how Wolverine can get shot in the brain when it is entirely encased inside Adamantium. His Wolverine missing pieces of his skull? Can bullet's pierce adamantium? Or have his writers just never seen a human skull?

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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Someone with a myspace account should post a question on Joe Quesada's Cup'o'joe and ask him how Wolverine can get shot in the brain when it is entirely encased inside Adamantium. His Wolverine missing pieces of his skull? Can bullet's pierce adamantium? Or have his writers just never seen a human skull?

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Not kidding.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The morlucs have physical disfigurements and deformities... how many of them are missing pieces of their skeleton? Mutants are all born human, the x-gene kicks in during puberty. Just so we are clear, you argument is: Wolverine was born with human anatomy, the x-gene kicked in... and pieces of his skull disappeared? Seriously there is a difference between have x-tra features - like all mutants do - and having less.

Wolverine getting shot in the brain is the very definition of PIS.

... and why would he ever say "You could never plug me in the brain because my adamantium skull provides no access"? That's like me saying "My heart is behind my ribcage." Well of course it is, that's how it works.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Come on now. How many mutants do we know that have anatomies that are inferior to a normal humans? Half the friggin Morlocks, dude. A lot of mutants have inferior biologies to normal humans. Not every mutant has colorful powers. To many, being a mutant is physically a curse. And oh yes, because basic human anatomy must rule the day when we're dealing with a feral mutant with an already odd bone structure. Okiely dokiely! Simple question: "Since when does having retractable foot long claws in your forearms make sense to basic human anatomy?"

Fact is, Wolverine's skull has cavities that allow projectiles to penetrate into his brain. It's clearly happened four times on-panel and people in conversation have alluded to it as well, including Wolverine himself. All four instances were written by different writers; Christoper Yost, Daniel Way, Jason Aaron, and Peter Milligan. There are no scans from Wolverine's vast history of appearances that directly contradict these occurences. You guys who are arguing this point have NOTHING. It's not PIS, it's Wolverine. A comic book character. A feral mutant with foot long claws comin out his damn arms. If you show me a single scan where Professor X or Wolverine state, "You could never plug me in the brain because my adamantium skull provides no access," then maybe you'd have a point. You don't. You don't even have a scan of someone aiming a gun at Wolverine's eyes, ears, nose or throat, shooting him... and it failing to penetrate into his brain. If you did, you'd post them for everyone to see.

This whole "must apply human skull anatomy > feral mutant with an already odd bone structure in a comic" is ridiculous. Take this logic and you'd have to basically argue that Wolverine has no claws. Because claws on a human make no sense. It can't happen in real life. Even though Wolverine has claws on-panel, no. You can't accept it because it contradicts real-life human anatomy... it's PIS.

KMC Flash Update: Any scan of Wolverine having claws is PIS. That can't happen with real world human anatomy. Just FYI. Please resume your normal activities at the end of this message. Thank you. This has been a KMC Flash Update! 😂

Because Wolverine has claws he must not have bone behind his eye. Because four stupid writers contradict 30 years of history have never seen a human skull.

Reported for trolling. 😐

Originally posted by psycho gundam
no, mutants develop there mutant talents at puberty. their physical characteristics are sometimes visible from birth depending on how extreme the mutation *note nightcrawler*. and most morlocks were alien looking from birth, thats why some of them are homeless at an early age, leech was like 8 at the time they found him.

Technically speaking Nightcrawler's appearance steams from his father being a demon, not the x-gene. His teleportation is what makes him a mutant, not his appearance.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The morlucs have physical disfigurements and deformities... how many of them are missing pieces of their skeleton? Mutants are all born human, the x-gene kicks in during puberty. Just so we are clear, you argument is: Wolverine was born with human anatomy, the x-gene kicked in... and pieces of his skull disappeared? Seriously there is a difference between have x-tra features - like all mutants do - and having less.

Wolverine getting shot in the brain is the very definition of PIS.

... and why would he ever say "You could never plug me in the brain because my adamantium skull provides no access"? That's like me saying "My heart is behind my ribcage." Well of course it is, that's how it works.

Wolverine getting shot in the brain is on-panel. Four times. And nothing you show, other than some self-serving logic about human anatomy, changes it.

Well that's not how it works with Wolverine. And this isn't circumstantial on-panel feats. We have Wolverine himself thinking about the brain damage in most of them and depictions clearly showing it penetrating up into his brain. Why doesn't Wolverine say, "That can't happen. I've got skull casing!" Why is he instead saying, "The arrow devastated my prefrontal brain. Which controls higher cognitive functions." Go ahead and write a letter to Marvel or post on the boards yourself. Start an online petition. I don't care. Just don't posture and pretend your self-serving logic makes sense and isn't a double standard. Using your logic that Wolverine ought to have a normal human skull can be applied to his claws, Destiny's eyes, Leech's nose, etc. They're mutants. Not humans. Deal with it. It's clear that you're bailing water out of the sinking boat of your logic and it's all based on your disbelief that Wolverine can have a vulnerability. *Gasp!* Well he does. Some heroes do. It's comics.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Because Wolverine has claws he must not have bone behind his eye. Because four stupid writers contradict 30 years of history have never seen a human skull.

Reported for trolling. 😐

Two things, wolverines not human; and, has anybody else purposely; not aiming at his head or "in the vicinity" but with the sole intent tried to shot wolverine in a cavity besides the four "PIS" occurances?

^ No. Otherwise, they'd have posted it by now.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wolverine getting shot in the brain is on-panel. Four times. And nothing you show, other than some self-serving logic about human anatomy, changes it.

One eye shot.. That's PIS.
One shot through the ear... with a friggen crossbow... PIS
one through the throat. That's also PIS

They DON'T support each other.. otherwise that's like calling Storm a cosmic because she has Three on panel feats of doing cosmic things.

But its not the same thing three times. So yeah.. Keep trolling. Keep discarding 30 freaking years...just about 40 now.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ No. Otherwise, they'd have posted it by now.

wolverine has a normal human skull + adamantium, there is no room for
scalphunter's bullet to pass through unless his bullet was made of vibranium or something.

xavier's has notes on all the biologies and weaknesses of the x-men and knows how to deal with logan, his notes said nothing about him missing the bones in his eye socket.