Ryu Hayabusa and Ayane vs Cloud Strife and Tifa Lockhart

Originally posted by Kadesh
but i first said a shield can block it right? then you asked me if i could with a katana, then i said no am i correct? then i pointed out that haya can because he 1) is a game character 2) has the skills to do so

Originally posted by Kadesh

wow so you are claiming that ryu can move faster than the speed of light because he can move faster than cloud?

Where the hell is light mentioned in that post, god your a retard.

Originally posted by Kadesh

Did you read my earlier posts? i said he had [B]enough time to react to the helicopters presence before the helicopter or planes started firing

So, he can't do the same before cloud starts swinging?!

Originally posted by Kadesh

provided he is fast enough, provided BEFORE he gets hit

Dodge them like how? alreaady when cloud opens the attack?

Sigh, I already did but, if that's not enoguh here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rpa1-BCPLc

He did not know:
What type of attack
Where it was coming from
Who the attacker is
And stops it

Never mind all the other shit I posted.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Busllshit, you said you do not have skill to dodge it as if some where in this world someone could. Please stop the BS, I can easily quote you.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

Where the hell is light mentioned in that post, god your a retard.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

So, he can't do the same before cloud starts swinging?!

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

Sigh, I already did but, if that's not enoguh here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rpa1-BCPLc

He did not know:
What type of attack
Where it was coming from
Who the attacker is
And stops it

Originally posted by Kadesh
i was referring to hayabusa you idiot and you were asking me, and when you ask me i just give an answer, are you a retard or what?

This is what you claimed:

Originally posted by Kadesh
Um he could block then because he knew which direction the bullets are coming from? And that he had enough time to react?

Which I responded with:

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
So, if I had a gun pointed at you, I guess you would be able to swat the bullets out the air or dodged them, right?

Originally posted by Kadesh
If you know where to position your shield or what ever before the guy pulls the trigger than yes.

Your implying that it's somehow possile to predict the trijectory of a bullet in real life and block it.

Originally posted by Kadesh

And logic would point out haya did the same thing, knowing where the bullet would hit, then attempting to block, even if you were to dodge bullets you do it BEFORE the guy pulls the trigger, hayabusa is a human, not a god

How the hell would hayabusa be able to react and move his entire body out of the path of the bullet before a gunmen could react to pull a trigger of an automatic weapon multiple times if he did not have super speed?

Originally posted by Kadesh

You claimed he could move faster than every of clouds attacks, that "zomg! he is so fast he can dodge clouds omnislash" And calling me a retard doesnt change the fact that you are a horrible debator

Because you are retarded, the average bullet moves faster than the speed of sound unless you can prove cloud can slash that fast with omnislash, you fail.

Originally posted by Kadesh

Thats why i said the fight can go either way, learn to read properly, do you need me to examine your specs? Or do you want me to quote it?

So, your admitting he can react fast enbough despite saying he can't previously?

Originally posted by Kadesh

tsk tsk, thats just an arrow, and he had 4 seconds to react to it, and by the way he knew that there was something in the bushes and was going to expect something, ninjas and samurais are like that

Nice try, I knew you would pull some shit like this.

First of all he heard a noise, looked around then sat down to relax he did not know he was going to be attacked

second, he moved reacted to stop the arrow after it was shot

Third, your saying he has precog now, cool so why can't he use it to dodge the omnislashe?

Do you need your ass handed to you?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I guess when I asked you if you were mentally handicapped, I should have just known you were. Let me recap because you lack the brains to understand.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

Because in real life know one has time to dodge a bullet even if they know what direction it's coming from, if your claiming hayabusa does than he has super speed simple as that. Anyway, this is how you respond:

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

Your implying that it's somehow possile to predict the trijectory of a bullet in real life and block it.:

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

How the hell would hayabusa be able to react and move his entire body out of the path of the bullet before a gunmen could react to pull a trigger of an automatic weapon multiple times if he did not have super speed?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

Because you are retarded, the average bullet moves faster than the speed of sound unless you can prove cloud can slash that fast with omnislash, you fail.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

So, your admitting he can react fast enbough despite saying he can't previously?

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

Nice try, I knew you would pull some shit like this.

First of all he heard a noise, looked around then sat down to relax he did not know he was going to be attacked

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

second, he moved reacted to stop the arrow after it was shot

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar

Third, your saying he has precog now, cool so why can't he use it to dodge the omnislashe?

EDIT

and i said that you can dodge it or position your shield BEFORE the guy presses the trigger, god are you some kind of mentally retarted kid or something? And now you claim i said its possible after the guy fires...

Originally posted by Kadesh
If you know where to position your shield or what ever before the guy pulls the trigger than yes.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Do you need your ass handed to you?

lack to undestand? maybe i should let you know that you are mentally retarted than you are not able to read and understand peoples posts properly

I think you described yourself properly, even superboy prime tells you that you lack reaing comprehension skills.

Originally posted by Kadesh

It is because 1) its fictional 2) in the game world haya is skill ful and 3) you asked a question irrelevant and derailed the topic which proves you to be ignorant

The question is relevant to the debate, your just so damn dumb you can't realize it. I asked you if you could dodge a bullet, because you claimed hayabusa dodged bullets as a result of knowing where they were going to hit and not because of his speed.

Originally posted by Kadesh

Then tell me, what the hell is a ballistic shield for? to block a bullet right? and when does the user block? before the guy fires and squeeses the trigger right?

Does the weilder of a sheild now exactly what area he's going to be hit, and if he's wrong does it matter? If I have a sheild that covers my entire body and predict a gunmen is aiming for my heart when it's my stomach it wouldn't matter because the sheild covers my body, idiot.

Originally posted by Kadesh

Are you really that stupid? so what i said was true then, but in the game world it is different, the user with the sword provided he has the skills and then yes he can block it, Hard to understand is it? Then read it again

So, if hayabusa has the skill to dodge bullets, why can't he block or dodge omnislash?!

Originally posted by Kadesh

several ways, 1) get out of sight before the guy shoots 2) as i said, haya is fictional and has the ability and speed to block the bullets and had reaction time 3) There have been people who have got out of the shooters line of fire BEFORE he pulls the trigger.

None of those examples I posted have hayabusa evading before he is shoot at, and never mind you just admitted he's skilled enough to evade or block said attacks.

Originally posted by Kadesh

Calling me a retard does not and will not change the fact that you are one of the worst debators on KMC, Did i say that clouds attacks are faster than the bullet? quote it please and do not feed me with words

I never claimed you did moron, just like I didn't say ryu could move as fast as light. I said unless omnislash is as fast or faster then sound, cloud is screwed. I didn't accuse you if claiming anything that time moron.

Originally posted by Kadesh

i was wrong at that point i admit

Originally posted by Kadesh

First of all he knew there was something there, and didnt you know that ninjas had the ability to sense danger? he was being cautious and not off guard, which what makes him strong

Your helping my argument, if he can sense danger (Which he can) why can't he use it against omnislash?

Originally posted by Kadesh

That was because he was able to spot it and like i said, he had a few seconds, or prehaps a split second to react

Helping my argument again, if he reacted in a split second he is FAST

Originally posted by Kadesh

He can, provided he knows which sword is going to strike first, and if you want to play stupid then cloud could attack him first, then attack quickly with the other sword

LOL, of course he will know which sword will attack first, you said it best yourself:

Originally posted by Kadesh
ninjas had the ability to sense danger

Or this:

Originally posted by Kadesh

That was because he was able to spot it and like i said, he had a few seconds, or prehaps a split second to react

Thanks

EDIT

guess i was wrong

Only read the first page because Emperor and Super are Cloud haters, which is fair enough so long as their willing to admit it. Cloud and Tifa beat Hayabusa and Ayane 65% - 35%

Quick points:

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Hayabusa ass rapoes cloud, never mind the guy can move fast enough to run on the surface of a body of water. he can also, generate enough speed to vanish and swat bullets like flies.

Their respective jutsu's can cause massive collateral damage, hayabusa can destroy jet like craft with ease and ayane destroyed three conjoining skyscrappers. They win

in Omnislash version 5 Cloud moves it the stop time, so, no, Hayabusa wouldn't be able to keep up.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Hayabusa is not Darth Vader, and are you serious when has cloud ever fought someone with hayabusa's speed?

Cloud is stronger than either
Cloud has fought Loz and Yazoo and survived with geostigma, then again later he beats them to a degree, so i would expect Cloud vs Hayabusa and Ayane would still result in Cloud's win
Cloud as you so conveniently pointed out beat someone way better than him, who's to say this doesn't happen here, although personally I'd say he's beyond Hayabusa and Ayane
The only reason people think this might have a different result than Cloud & Tifa winning, is because FF7 is used too much thus generates haters, and Hayabusa and Ayane are overrated to a degree

These are just my thoughts, don't hate me guys 😉

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Hayabusa ass rapoes cloud, never mind the guy can move fast enough to run on the surface of a body of water. he can also, generate enough speed to vanish and swat bullets like flies.

Their respective jutsu's can cause massive collateral damage, hayabusa can destroy jet like craft with ease and ayane destroyed three conjoining skyscrappers. They win

Cloud's only chance to win would be to actually win time (somehow) to execute one of his Limit breaks and actually hit the ninja/s with it.

The ninjas wins.

Originally posted by Mesirus
Only read the first page because Emperor and Super are Cloud haters, which is fair enough so long as their willing to admit it. Cloud and Tifa beat Hayabusa and Ayane 65% - 35%

Quick points:

in Omnislash version 5 Cloud moves it the stop time, so, no, Hayabusa wouldn't be able to keep up.

Loz with hive shield is way faster than Hayabusa, moves so fast you can only see see him in every other moment....

Cloud is stronger than either
Cloud has fought Loz and Yazoo and survived with geostigma, then again later he beats them to a degree, so i would expect Cloud vs Hayabusa and Ayane would still result in Cloud's win
Cloud as you so conveniently pointed out beat someone way better than him, who's to say this doesn't happen here, although personally I'd say he's beyond Hayabusa and Ayane
The only reason people think this might have a different result than Cloud & Tifa winning, is because FF7 is used too much thus generates haters, and Hayabusa and Ayane are overrated to a degree

These are just my thoughts, don't hate me guys 😉

Originally posted by Mesirus
Only read the first page because Emperor and Super are Cloud haters, which is fair enough so long as their willing to admit it. Cloud and Tifa beat Hayabusa and Ayane 65% - 35%

STFU,Mesirus, you said the same bs last time your debated. Just because you wank cloud doesn't mean everyone else does. I don't hate cloud just his stupid fanboys I.E. you.

Originally posted by Kadesh
but i first said a shield can block it right? then you asked me if i could with a katana, then i said no am i correct? then i pointed out that haya can because he 1) is a game character 2) has the skills to do so

wow so you are claiming that ryu can move faster than the speed of light because he can move faster than cloud?

Did you read my earlier posts? i said he had [B]enough time to react to the helicopters presence before the helicopter or planes started firing
provided he is fast enough, provided BEFORE he gets hit

Dodge them like how? alreaady when cloud opens the attack? [/B]

No offense but are you implying Cloud moves at the speed of light? ...You're starting to lose it...bad.

Kadesh, stopped debating superboy prime, give him a break he made a mistake.

Originally posted by Mesirus
Only read the first page because Emperor and Super are Cloud haters, which is fair enough so long as their willing to admit it. Cloud and Tifa beat Hayabusa and Ayane 65% - 35%

Quick points:

in Omnislash version 5 Cloud moves it the stop time, so, no, Hayabusa wouldn't be able to keep up.

Loz with hive shield is way faster than Hayabusa, moves so fast you can only see see him in every other moment....

Cloud is stronger than either
Cloud has fought Loz and Yazoo and survived with geostigma, then again later he beats them to a degree, so i would expect Cloud vs Hayabusa and Ayane would still result in Cloud's win
Cloud as you so conveniently pointed out beat someone way better than him, who's to say this doesn't happen here, although personally I'd say he's beyond Hayabusa and Ayane
The only reason people think this might have a different result than Cloud & Tifa winning, is because FF7 is used too much thus generates haters, and Hayabusa and Ayane are overrated to a degree

These are just my thoughts, don't hate me guys 😉

Nice bullshit. Cloud's Omnislash does not stop time. You can clearly see Sephiroth moving along with his hair and pretty much anything else along with Cloud. If time had stopped Cloud would be only thing in motion, besides he doesn't have materia when he performs the Omnislash. You want time stopping moves? Try Hayabusa's Nimpo.

How many times did Loz & Kadaj toy with Cloud though? Cloud wins because he is often overlooked by his opponents. Yazoo would have killed him if he decided to aim properly and blow his brains out of his skull in their first encounter. It has also been often implied all Silver Haired Men are like children, they may be tough but they are mostly children. Ryu is on another level. He won't want to play. He is going to be out for blood, and granted he is faster than Cloud, he has actual magic not granted to him by materia, he has a more powerful weapon(True Dragon Sword) and is in all probability more skilled than Cloud I don't see Cloud outclassing him.

I don't hate FF7, but because I don't see Cloud as a WTFPWNING machine suddenly I'm a hater. FF7 was my 1st and favorite FF7. I've probably finished the game more times than most.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
STFU,Mesirus, you said the same bs last time your debated. Just because you wank cloud doesn't mean everyone else does. I don't hate cloud just his stupid fanboys I.E. you.

You can get really moody when you get emotional.
Wank cloud? what are you gay? thats a truly disturbing fantasy

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Nice bullshit. Cloud's Omnislash does not stop time. You can clearly see Sephiroth moving along with his hair and pretty much anything else along with Cloud. If time had stopped Cloud would be only thing in motion, besides he doesn't have materia when he performs the Omnislash. You want time stopping moves? Try Hayabusa's Nimpo.

How many times did Loz & Kadaj toy with Cloud though? Cloud wins because he is often overlooked by his opponents. Yazoo would have killed him if he decided to aim properly and blow his brains out of his skull in their first encounter. It has also been often implied all Silver Haired Men are like children, they may be tough but they are mostly children. Ryu is on another level. He won't want to play. He is going to be out for blood, and granted he is faster than Cloud, he has actual magic not granted to him by materia, he has a more powerful weapon(True Dragon Sword) and is in all probability more skilled than Cloud I don't see Cloud outclassing him.

I don't hate FF7, but because I don't see Cloud as a WTFPWNING machine suddenly I'm a hater. FF7 was my 1st and favorite FF7. I've probably finished the game more times than most.

Erk, sticky issues:

1) True Dragon Sword is superior, but as a weapon itself, the First sword is better

2) for someone who's played FF7 and liked it, you side against it alot, as to say, all the time, weird coincidence

3) People should admit what they hate, denial is an ugly thing

4) skip the "You're a fanboy!!!" crap, this isn't a schoolyard

5) Hayabusa is overrated, he's not going to be able to defeat someone of Cloud caliber, period

6) The fact of the matter is Cloud is a more skilled and accomplished swordsman, his feats > Hayabusa's

7) True Yazoo and Loz needed Cloud alive to find mother, belittling them is a weak play, they are as tough as flunkies come

8) Cloud defeated someone who was superior to him in everyway

9) Cloud Omnislash is in the stop time, which is my way of saying, faster than you can react speed, you could see him in 5 places at once, that must be pretty fast

10) Hayabusa is out of Cloud's league, he's below it, he is ultimatly way less impressive

5-10: You fail to say how/why or explain how the heck you came up with that 😬

By the way, back to the match, cloud wins haya, why? because obviously hayabusa would not expect cloud to pull of that 5 sword attack as he did in AC.

Also, tell me if Cloud would expect this: 00:23-00:27

Ryu's Energy Attack would vaporize Cloud and Tifa: http://youtube.com/watch?v=tX4JZp9hw1U

I don't see Cloud and Tifa escaping this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=5eL_KR64MDw

Cloud curbstomps hayabusa,

then turns and pwns ayane.

Speed need not always be the factor, sidious in the EU can move faster than the eye can see, but does that mean he pwns? No, just a little example [/B]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=suBFY39P4Ps. As shown in this video, Ryu could just cut through Cloud's swords. Not to mention Ryu has a Plasma Saber, http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/xbox/file/ninja_gaiden_x_item.txt

Plasma Saber: A state-of-the art weapon that uses a magnetic field to contain a stream of superheated plasma.

Plasma Saber MK. II: A upgraded version of the Plasma Saber, in which the plasma oscillator has been tuned to the maximum.

Another bit of info I want to add is that Ryu is not a normal human being but a super ninja who draws his blood from the same ancient deities as the fiends. This was stated by a Greater Fiend named Doku. I know Cloud isn't either since he has Jenova cells. Near the end of NG, Ryu recieved the curse from Doku, and transformed into a fiend. Fiends are very powerful. In fact, in one of the FMV sequences in NG, Ayane says the boldness of the fiends, is the work of the Dark Dragon. It is a cursed blade, bestowing and unfathomable strength upon those wicked enough to wield it.

We see Ryu at one point weilding the Dark Dragon Blade.

Also, Ryu can hold up to three Talismans of Rebirth. Each fully revives him after being killed, not that it would happen in this particular fight, but just saying.

1) True Dragon Sword is superior, but as a weapon itself, the First sword is better

5) Hayabusa is overrated, he's not going to be able to defeat someone of Cloud caliber, period

6) The fact of the matter is Cloud is a more skilled and accomplished swordsman, his feats > Hayabusa's

7) True Yazoo and Loz needed Cloud alive to find mother, belittling them is a weak play, they are as tough as flunkies come

8) Cloud defeated someone who was superior to him in everyway

9) Cloud Omnislash is in the stop time, which is my way of saying, faster than you can react speed, you could see him in 5 places at once, that must be pretty fast

10) Hayabusa is out of Cloud's league, he's below it, he is ultimatly way less impressive [/B]

Now wait for Mesirus to call you a cloud hater.

He is considering the points, thus not a hater, unlike you