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Find Your Own Fire
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not true at all. After removing Sublime from reality, Jean states that she had to telekinetically amputate that future. That point is stated in one of the bio entry’s you have posted. Please keep up.
Read this bio again, carefully. Take note of the commas. They are important:
As you can see, the act of telekinetically extracting Sublime's essence from Beast resulted in disinfecting the entire future reality. Nice try bro. In very much the same way, Legion ended up crystalizing the entire present by killing Xavier or Bishop uncrystallized it by saving Xavier. Never is there any mention of a separate feat that she must take to amputate the future. Which is all the more clear, because Jean and te PF talk to each other, confirming that the "surgery" and "disinfection" are complete once she extracts Sublime and drops him off. It's done, mate. The only thing she had to do afterwards, was prevent Earth-616 from going the route of Earth-15104, by nudging Cyclops. Nowhere is it stated or even even suggested through dialogue, art or secondary sources that she summons an entire universe atom by atom. That universe is as symbolic as the phoenix flaring up inside it.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Whether Jean performed the feat and was fully aware of what she was doing or instead the Phoenix took the steering wheel it is irrelevant because they are bonded. It is Jeans mutation to wield the Phoenix and part of the nature of a host is that the Force takes over or guides from time to time. Doesn't discredit Jeans feat as it’s just the nature of the Phoenix entity.
Complete excuses. The PF addresses Jean personally, and tells her how
her feat of telekinesis isn't easy, even for a White Phoenix of the Crown. If Jean has no idea what's going on, why is the PF attributing the feat to her personally? It makes no sense when you force your interpretation past the dialogue. Even past that obvious error in logic, the PF tells her this in past tense referring back to a prior telekinetic feat. The universe hadn't even started manifesting itself in Jean's hands. Think about it.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jean is the Phoenix, Phoenix is Jean. As a Phoenix she shares her body with the Phoenix Consciousness. That is the very nature of the entity. This has always been the case. What was done, was achieved through Jean in her role as the Phoenix, so your attempts to offload the feat is a pointless exercise.Shot myself in the foot? ❌
I just know what I’m talking about and would never have the arrogance to wade into a debate dictating the facts without being clued up. 👇
No kidding that they are the same. But the PF wouldn't applaud her for her efforts personally, when it does everything itself. If it takes over, it takes over. And your self-serving excuses which you construct that already assume your conclusion are nothing short of ridiculous. They aren't even supported. The Phoenix Force does take over at times. Why would the Phoenix Force applaud Jean personally, for something that the Phoenix Force itself is doing?
You completely shot yourself in the foot and you have chased your own tail in circles. You haven't even logically explained why she needed to summon the universe atom by atom in the first place. You've once again only offered a self-serving suggestion that this method was the only way to save Earth-616. We all know that her nudging Scott was what saved Earth-616, and that hardly requires her summoning a complete universe in her hands. The extraction of Sublime disinfected the entire future, as obviously stated by Jean and the PF itself when they confirm that the "surgery" and "disinfection" is complete right after she's got Sublime in her hands. As confirmed by the handbook. As obviusly illustrated on-panel.
You're done. This myth has pretty much grown a life of it's own. But the self-serving logic you require doesn't pass for logical muster in an argument. You try to smooth over contradictions in dialogue, past and present tense by assuming your premises in advance. You ignore how the most simplest explanation is usually the correct one. And you continually ignore how the editors, handbooks and the vast majority of the audience disagree with your wild imagination. I can keep this up without having my position scrutinized for self-serving logic or gaps. You can't say the same.
