Thanos with IG vs White Crown Phoenix

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Whether you deem the feat necessary or not is of no relevance. For example, half the enemies Silver Surfer fights can be taken out with a simple Class 100 punch and yet instead the writers has him do so through energy manipulation.

The feats have been stated to occur on panel and the feats are further confirmed officially in a bio. You are in no position to state that they didnt happen because you dont think they were necessary 🙄

Your Silver Surfer analogy fails because it isn't appropriate. A better analogy to use is all the other times people have affected change in the course of history to prevent dystopic futures. There's a reason why your interpretation has no precedence. Because it is wholly unnecessary and blown out of proportion. The "disinfection," the "surgery," the "amputation," that was accomplished by extracting Sublime out of Beast and removing him. This is confirmed on-panel by Jean and the Phoenix Force and the handbooks.

For your conclusion to be true, you have to: 1) ascribe past tense comments to progressively occurring events; 2) you have to make some incoherent distinction btw Jean and the PF and their conversation to explain why the PF is, at the same time, addressing her directly and talking past her; 3) you have to ignore the editors, handbooks; and 4) you have to manufacture some imaginary feat that has never been suggested on-panel before, now or since Here Comes Tomorrow. Why make it hard on yourself? There's a simple answer.

Well I know why you make it hard on yourself, because you wish to inflate the entire scene for your favorite character.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
WHERE does this feat happen on-panel other than your imaginary world?

The future she was standing in disappears from view as she states she has amputated it.

Your own bio evidence states that she severs the future. You are in no position to call a combination of bio reference and on panel statement incorrect just because it doesnt fit in with your interpretation 👇

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No, you're doing it wrong.

You're trying to prove she atomically controlled the entire time stream. You can't use what your attempting to prove as a premise for your argument. Seriously.

Why would she need to atomically control the entire time stream when all she has to do is compel Scott to love Emma and live life at the Xavier Institute? All it requires is a nudge. Which is exactly how the editors and handbooks characterize her feat and how it is obviously portrayed on-panel. This is so obvious it isn't funny. Next thing you'll tell me is that Booster Gold will have to telekinetically control all of DC's timestream to change events in his title series.

🙄

What is their to prove, when the comic states and shows what I am addressing? she nudged Scott through the universe she manifested. That was materialized through her telekinetic control on an atomic level.

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/5601/15421ur0.jpg

Originally posted by id369
What is their to prove, when the comic states and shows what I am addressing? she nudged Scott through the universe she manifested. That was materialized through her telekinetic control on an atomic level.

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/5601/15421ur0.jpg

The fatal flaw in your argument is that the comic doesn't state nor show what you're claiming.

Originally posted by id369
What is their to prove, when the comic states and shows what I am addressing? she nudged Scott through the universe she manifested. That was materialized through her telekinetic control on an atomic level.

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/5601/15421ur0.jpg

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're labelling the scan with your conclusion! You have to prove that what she was doing was telekinetically summoning the universe at the atomic level! Nowhere is it stated that she is summoning anything. She doesn't even know what's going on! The fact is, labelling it and standing there with your hands in your pockets doesn't prove anything. I could just label it as a mere representation of the universe manifesting itself in her hands because the Phoenix Force wants to show her that she has to save her friends, family and their future! Except that I'm proving it by pointing out that a phoenix also flares up symbolically in it and that the handbookos refer to it as a symbollic gesture as well.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The future she was standing in disappears from view as she states she has amputated it.

Your own bio evidence states that she severs the future. You are in no position to call a combination of bio reference and on panel statement incorrect just because it doesnt fit in with your interpretation 👇

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It is of relevance. Because I'm telling you that your interpretation is a needless exaggeration that isn't required for the plot to make sense. But you once again make an excuse that, oh well, I'd like to think she can do it, and the comic is just ambiguous enough, so I'll just argue that she did do it. Nowhere in comics history has anybody EVER had to "telekinetically amputate a whole future" or "atomically control the entire timestream" or "summon an entire universe atom by atom" just to affect a change in events to alter timeline.

Your Silver Surfer analogy fails because it isn't appropriate. A better analogy to use is all the other times people have affected change in the course of history to prevent dystopic futures. There's a reason why your interpretation has no precedence. Because it is wholly unnecessary and blown out of proportion. The "disinfection," the "surgery," the "amputation," that was accomplished by extracting Sublime out of Beast and removing him. This is confirmed on-panel by Jean and the Phoenix Force and the handbooks.

For your conclusion to be true, you have to ascribe past tense comments to progressively occurring events, you have to make some incoherent distinction btw Jean and the PF and their conversation, you have to ignore the editors, handbooks and you have to manufacture some imaginary feat that has never been suggested on-panel before, now or since Here Comes Tomorrow. Why make it hard on yourself? There's a simple answer.

Ok ODG.

All of those other futures that have been averted by time travelling, still exist within the multiverse, theyre just former future possibilities. They will no longer be the path 616 takes.

AOA is still in the multiverse. After Bishop changed the past, that timeline continued and has even been revisited in one shots.

For all we know Sublime was too dangerous a threat to be allowed to remain in the multiverse. Even after Jean said she had removed Sublime, she said she still had to amputate the future because the infestation went rogue. A point which is actually stated on panel.

Jean was forced to amputate the future as a precaution.

Sublime was able to incorporate Phoenix traits into itself. If left in the multiverse who's telling how far its corruption could go.

How's that mate? 😕

Originally posted by id369
What is their to prove, when the comic states and shows what I am addressing? she nudged Scott through the universe she manifested. That was materialized through her telekinetic control on an atomic level.

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/5601/15421ur0.jpg

How did u figure that......

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No, she states that it was amputated as she travels away with Sublime. And she hands Sublime over to the Phoenix Force. Nowhere is it stated that she telekinetically amputated the future at all. The very act of telekinetically removing Sublime amputated the future. As confirmed by both handbook entries. As is the case with most timeline adventures while trying to affect changes in history.

Poor recollection or lie, either way you're wrong. Jean extracts Sublime in the previous page.

She then goes on to say that she had to amputate the future.

The act of removing Sublime merely disinfected reality. None of your bios state that the act of removing Sublime amputated the future. Please dont try it 👇

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Poor recollection or lie, either way you're wrong. Jean extracts Sublime in the previous page.

She then goes on to say that she [B]had to amputate the future.[/b]

That's past-tense.

As in a description of what happened on, say, the previous page.

The act of removing Sublime merely disinfected reality. None of your bios state that the act of removing Sublime amputated the future. Please dont try it 👇

You realize that phrases like "disinfected reality" and "amputated the future" are nothing but purple prose, right?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ok ODG.

All of those other futures that have been averted by time travelling, still exist within the multiverse, theyre just former future possibilities. They will no longer be the path 616 takes.

AOA is still in the multiverse. After Bishop changed the past, that timeline continued and has even been revisited in one shots.

For all we know Sublime was too dangerous a threat to be allowed to remain in the multiverse. Even after Jean said she had removed Sublime, she said she still had to amputate the future because the infestation was too great. A point which is actually stated on panel.

Jean was forced to amputate the future as a precaution.

Sublime was able to incorporate Phoenix traits into itself. If left in the multiverse who's telling how far its corruption could go.

How's that mate? 😕

Right before she extracts Sublime, she states, "What's going on here is a coordinated disinfection." When she extracts Sublime, she asks, "Surgery complete?" When she travels away with Sublime, she again refers to Sublime and the resulting amputation of the future, "Some kind of intelligent bacterial colony gone rogue... I... had to amputate the whole future." The Phoenix force replies, "Phoenix disinfection successful." Disinfection of what, by what process? By extracting Sublime from Beast.

It's the same old common route of affecting changes in timestreams, you remove the corrupting influence. You don't need to "telekinetically amputate the future." She amputated the future, by telekinetically extracting Sublime. She didn't use telekinesis on the future itself. Doesn't make sense. Why? Because nowhere is it depicted. Even after the Phoenix disinfection is completed as confirmed by the PF, what does she still have in her hands? The green globular mass of Sublime:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Poor recollection or lie, either way you're wrong. Jean extracts Sublime in the previous page.

She then goes on to say that she [B]had to amputate the future.

The act of removing Sublime merely disinfected reality. None of your bios state that the act of removing Sublime amputated the future. Please dont try it 👇 [/B]

Originally posted by KK the Great
That's past-tense.

As in a description of what happened on, say, the previous page.

You realize that phrases like "disinfected reality" and "amputated the future" are nothing but purple prose, right?

You do realise that as the point is stated on panel and within a bio that this point is not debatable.

This is just for fun mate. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You do realise that as the point is stated on panel and within a bio that this point is not debatable.

This is just for fun mate. 🙂

As I said, in which panel is she using her telekinesis on the future? 🙄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You do realise that as the point is stated on panel and within a bio that this point is not debatable.

I'm debating your comprehension of what occurred.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your recognition of the threat Sublime posed is exactly why "telekinetic control of all those atoms isn't as easy as it sounds in training, even for a White Phoenix of the Crown." Sublime may have been an intelligent bacterial colony gone wrong, but he wasn't an easy foe to deal with anyway. Jean even admits that the future X-Men's sacrifice was stalling Sublime so she could extract him. Which answers your previous incredulous question as to how such a feat would be difficult for Phoenix.

You do realise that Jeans connection to the Force was disrupted by Martha leaving her temporarily disoriented and out of touch:

Whilst the others stalled Sublime, Jean was able to re-establish her connection with the Force and then extract Sublime with no effort all.

Stated quite clearly in this beautiful scan:

The stalling was so she could re-connect, NOT so she could strain to remove bacteria from Beast 😂

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Right before she extracts Sublime, she states, "What's going on here is a coordinated [b]disinfection." When she extracts Sublime, she asks, "Surgery complete?" When she travels away with Sublime, she again refers to Sublime and the resulting amputation of the future, "Some kind of intelligent bacterial colony gone rogue... I... had to amputate the whole future." The Phoenix force replies, "Phoenix disinfection successful." Disinfection of what, by what process? By extracting Sublime from Beast.

It's the same old common route of affecting changes in timestreams, you remove the corrupting influence. You don't need to "telekinetically amputate the future." She amputated the future, by telekinetically extracting Sublime. She didn't use telekinesis on the future itself. Doesn't make sense. Why? Because nowhere is it depicted. Even after the Phoenix disinfection is completed as confirmed by the PF, what does she still have in her hands? The green globular mass of Sublime:

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Nowhere on panel or in a bio is your point stated therefore it doesnt hold much weight im afraid.

Show us where your point is stated or all the above is unconfirmed opinion.

On panel, Jean extracts Sublime AND LATER says she had to amputate the future AFTER having already extracted Sublime on panel.

The very reason Jean amputated the future AFTER having been seen on panel to extract Sublime was because the infestation had gone rogue. So likely as a precaution she actually cut off the future.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're right. It's not debateable. Because nowhere is it stated on-panel that she telekinetically amputated the future. The amputation occurred when she extracted Sublime. Nowhere is there even depicted, a telekinetic feat applied onto a future. She's still holding onto Sublime the entire time this conversation and scene takes place. How much more obvious can you get?

As I said, in which panel is she using her telekinesis on the future? 🙄

Not at all. Nowhere is it stated that as a result of disinfecting reality, the future also got amputated in a 2 for one promotion 🙄

Jean is shown extracting Sublime on panel. She then clearly states AFTER this that she had to amputate the future. So please can you explain to me just how Jean doesnt say she amputated the future? Explain to us all. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nowhere on panel or in a bio is your point stated therefore it doesnt hold much weight im afraid.

His point is shown on the page and in a handbook and it stands up to logical scrutiny.

Your interpretation is 0-for-3 on those counts.

Originally posted by KK the Great
His point is shown on the page and in a handbook and it stands up to logical scrutiny.

Your interpretation is 0-for-3 on those counts.

Its not though mate as im highlighting with my responses.

If you bothered to keep up with the exchanges you'd see this for yourself. 😬

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not at all. Nowhere is it stated that as a result of disinfecting reality, the future also got amputated in a 2 for one promotion 🙄

Jean is shown extracting Sublime on panel. She then clearly states AFTER this that she had to amputate the future. So please can you explain to me just how Jean doesnt say she amputated the future? Explain to us all. 😖hifty:

Because every single panel from before that statement, til after that statement, she's holding onto Sublime, commenting on Sublime, handing over Sublime to the Phoenix Force. Don't dodge. Answer the question that I underlined.