Thanos with IG vs White Crown Phoenix

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not at all. Nowhere is it stated that as a result of disinfecting reality, the future also got amputated in a 2 for one promotion 🙄

The writer most likely assumed that his readers would be native English speakers capable of following a simple logical progression without needing it spelled out for them.

And yet he still spelled it out for them.

And yet you still didn't understand it.

It wasn't a "two for one" deal. It's THE SAME THING described TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

Jean is shown extracting Sublime on panel. She then clearly states AFTER this that she had to amputate the future.

Good lord, kid. Your logic is just atrocious.

Jean is shown ordering a pizza. She then clearly states that she ordered a pizza. OMG! She ordered two pizzas?!

Originally posted by KK the Great

Jean is shown ordering a pizza. She then clearly states that she ordered a pizza. OMG! She ordered two pizzas?!

😂

Originally posted by KK the Great
The writer most likely assumed that his readers would be native English speakers capable of following a simple logical progression without needing it spelled out for them.

And yet he still spelled it out for them.

And yet you still didn't understand it.

It wasn't a "two for one" deal. It's THE SAME THING described TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

Good lord, kid. Your logic is just atrocious.

Jean is shown ordering a pizza. She then clearly states that she ordered a pizza. OMG! She ordered two pizzas?!

Originally posted by KK the Great
The writer most likely assumed that his readers would be native English speakers capable of following a simple logical progression without needing it spelled out for them.

And yet he still spelled it out for them.

And yet you still didn't understand it.

It wasn't a "two for one" deal. It's THE SAME THING described TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

Good lord, kid. Your logic is just atrocious.

Jean is shown ordering a pizza. She then clearly states that she ordered a pizza. OMG! She ordered two pizzas?!

😂PWND

Originally posted by Nihilist
😂PWND

Jean is shown ordering a pizza. She then clearly states that she ordered a pizza. OMG! She ordered two pizzas?!

This is hilarious.

Originally posted by KK the Great
The writer most likely assumed that his readers would be native English speakers capable of following a simple logical progression without needing it spelled out for them.

And yet he still spelled it out for them.

And yet you still didn't understand it.

It wasn't a "two for one" deal. It's THE SAME THING described TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

And where was this made clear on panel or explained in a bio.

Disinfecting reality refers to the removal of Sublime the bacterial colony. That was done on panel and Jean had Sublime in her hand.

AFTER that point Jean went on to say that she had to amputate the future.

They are in no way the same thing described two different ways. Sublime is an earth bound bacterial colony. The future was not dependant on him, he was a figment within that future timeline. Removing bacteria from Beast is not going to cut off the future of a reality as a side effect.

If you have precedence for this in any other Marvel comics or you have a bio that i have not seen stating otherwise then please post it.

Otherwise give it a rest 😬

Originally posted by Priest
Meh, i don't like to read The Great Galans post because he is an idiot.
I do refute my earlier comment after reading what he said.

I missed ur sarcasm, and thought u were serious in actually debating with a fool.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And where was this made clear on panel or explained in a bio.

Disinfecting reality refers to the removal of Sublime the bacterial colony. That was done on panel and Jean had Sublime in her hand.

AFTER that point Jean went on to say that she had to amputate the future.

They are in no way the same thing described two different ways. Sublime is an earth bound bacterial colony. The future was not dependant on him, he was a figment within that future timeline. Removing bacteria from Beast is not going to cut off the future of a reality as a side effect.

If you have precedence for this in any other Marvel comics or you have a bio that i have not seen stating otherwise then please post it.

Otherwise give it a rest 😬

She is obviously speaking in the past tense, "Some kind of intelligent bacterial colony gone rogue... I... had to amputate the whole future." Had is a past participle. She already did it. But before that statement, the only thing shown was her telekinetically extracting Sublime. And she is still holding Sublime while saying this and after saying this. So where did this tumultuous and astronomical universal/temporal feat of telekinesis occur? Where's the panel? Surely, telekinetically controlling the atoms of an entire future merits at least one panel? Answer the underlined question.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And where was this made clear on panel or explained in a bio.

On all those scans you've been posting.

That you're not up to the task of comprehending your own evidence isn't our problem.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yet, removing an Almanac prevented the King Biff future from ever occurring. Booster Gold saving Blue Beetle prevented the proper DC timeline from occurring. Killing Xavier crystallized Earth-616. Saving Xavier uncrystallized Earth-616.

There is a difference between removing or affecting the point of divergence(the event that resulted in this alternate past, present or future straying from the path of the main continuity) and affecting something else that merely exists within those divergent timelines.

The HCT future was not dependent on Sublime. It was dependent on Cyclops' reaction to Emma. THAT caused HCT.

Removing Sublime from reality 150 years AFTER the creation of HCT is NOT going to automatically amputate that entire future.

Your opinion makes no sense im afraid.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
She is obviously speaking in the past tense, "Some kind of intelligent bacterial colony gone rogue... I... [b]had to amputate the whole future." Had is a past participle. She already did it. But before that statement, the only thing shown was her telekinetically extracting Sublime. And she is still holding Sublime while saying this and after saying this. So where did this tumultuous and astronomical universal/temporal feat of telekinesis occur? Where's the panel? Surely, telekinetically controlling the atoms of an entire future merits at least one panel? Answer the underlined question. [/B]

Of course shes speaking in the past tense because its something she's done before she speaks to the Consciousness.

Jean extracted Sublime on panel and held him in her hand. She was still standing in that future. She THEN goes on to say (with Sublime in her hand) that she amputated that future because of Sublime. Not as a result of getting rid of Sublime.

Whether you like it or not, Jean states she amputated the future after having already been shown to have extracted Sublime. She says she had to and gives Sublime as a reason and this follows her having already extracted Sublime.

It states nowhere in a Marvel publication that as a result of removing Sublime that she amputated the future.

Where is the precedence for that in a Marvel publication?

My point is stated clear as day and supported by references to her having severed the future, references to Jean manipulating the atoms of an entire universe as a part of her abilities.

Where is your point about an automatic amputation of the future as a result of removing some bacteria stated? 🙄

Originally posted by KK the Great
On all those scans you've been posting.

That you're not up to the task of comprehending your own evidence isn't our problem.

Thats what i thought. 🙂

If you wish to take apart my arguments then feel free. Explain away.

Until then, you're not worth consideration. You're a non participant. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats what i thought. 🙂

If you wish to take apart my arguments then feel free. Explain away.

Until then, you're not worth consideration. You're a non participant. 🙂

It's been done.

Over and over again.

"Amputate the future" is just purple prose. I realize that you're very impressed by it. That's the point of purple prose. It sounds impressive by design.

But you don't get to upgrade the feat just to match your level of enthusiasm over the purple prose used to describe it.

She removed Sublime. In doing so, she effectively amputated the future. Removing Sublime is how she amputated the future. The feats are one and the same. Removing Sublime doesn't become more impressive just because she described it in an overblown, flowery manner.

Originally posted by KK the Great
It's been done.

Over and over again.

"Amputate the future" is just purple prose. I realize that you're very impressed by it. That's the point of purple prose. It sounds impressive by design.

But you don't get to upgrade the feat just to match your level of enthusiasm over the purple prose used to describe it.

She removed Sublime. In doing so, she effectively amputated the future. Removing Sublime is how she amputated the future. The feats are one and the same. Removing Sublime doesn't become more impressive just because she described it in an overblown, flowery manner.

No. Its your assumption thats its purple prose and you have no basis for that.

Jean had already extracted Sublime and had it in her hand. She later went on to say that she amputated the future.

Based on that we are lead to believe it came after her extraction. There is no reference to it being as a result of the extraction. Thats an opinion formulated to give support to an interpretation.

On top of that it makes no sense. The HCT future is not dependent on Sublime. He is just something that exists within the timeline.

So would you like to explain to all of us just how his removal from that reality would result in its automatic amputation?

Where is the precedence for that in a Marvel publication? 😕

No long rebuttals. We're going around in circles now. I can answer all of your questions for some reason 😖hifty: and i'm still waiting on answers to mine.

Can you show me where its stated anywhere that as a result of Jean removing Sublime, 150 years of timeline suddenly disappeared, despite the fact that the existence of that timeline was dependent on Scotts reaction to Emma and not the existence of Sublime.

Can you show me where there is precedence for removing something from an alternate timeline, that is unrelated to the divergence point and said timeline stops existing?

Can you explain why Jeans bio now talks of her new ability to control the atoms of an entire universe, following New X-men 154?

Thank you. 👆

Originally posted by KK the Great
It's been done.

Over and over again.

"Amputate the future" is just purple prose. I realize that you're very impressed by it. That's the point of purple prose. It sounds impressive by design.

But you don't get to upgrade the feat just to match your level of enthusiasm over the purple prose used to describe it.

She removed Sublime. In doing so, she effectively amputated the future. Removing Sublime is how she amputated the future. The feats are one and the same. Removing Sublime doesn't become more impressive just because she described it in an overblown, flowery manner.

Why does removing Sublime result in amputating the future? Because the terms disinfection, surgery, and amputate are all attributed to Sublime. The first two, undoubtably. The last term, within the same sentence as she is describing Sublime. All pretty much interchangeable. You're making a false distinction between the three. Fact is, she's still holding onto Sublime and speaking about Sublime when she uses all three terms. Moreover, the handbook confirms that extracting Sublime affected the entire future reality:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Removing Sublime from reality [B]150 years AFTER the creation of HCT is NOT going to automatically amputate that entire future.

Your opinion makes no sense im afraid.

Of course shes speaking in the past tense because its something she's done before she speaks to the Consciousness.

Jean extracted Sublime on panel and held him in her hand. She was still standing in that future. She THEN goes on to say (with Sublime in her hand) that she amputated that future because of Sublime. Not as a result of getting rid of Sublime.

Whether you like it or not, Jean states she amputated the future after having already been shown to have extracted Sublime. She says she had to and gives Sublime as a reason and this follows her having already extracted Sublime.

It states nowhere in a Marvel publication that as a result of removing Sublime that she amputated the future.[/b]

Of course Jean stated she amputated the future after having extracted Sublime. That's what making statements about past events means! What aren't you grasping? Stop complicating the absurdly simple. I order a pizza. I then say to someone, "I had to order some food." What incongruity is there between the two? None.

Reread the handbook entry. More importantly, I don't have to to rely on secondary sources. Go ahead and stop dodging the obvious question: Where in the comic did Jean perform this tumultuous and astronomical universal/temporal feat of telekinesis? Where's the panel? Answer the underlined question.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Where is the precedence for that in a Marvel publication?

My point is stated clear as day and supported by references to her having severed the future, references to Jean manipulating the atoms of an entire universe as a part of her abilities.

Where is your point about an automatic amputation of the future as a result of removing some bacteria stated? 🙄

Legion killed Xavier. That nullified the entire 616 timeline and crystallized it.

Bishop saved Xavier. That undid the crystallization of the entire 616 timeline.

Captain America decided not to kill Red Skull when he was accessing Galactus' Worldship. This prevented the Cosmic Cube power from flowing into Korvac and stopped the rise of Korvac's dominion over Earth.

Future Kitty Pryde transplants her mind into present Kitty Pryde, preventing Senator Robert Kelly's assassination, preventing Earth-616 from spiralling into the Days of Future Past future.

Dr. Strange and Illyana perform a spell that caused Nimrod to retroactively appear and kill a mugger in a subway station. This mugger was attacking a victim who held Kulan Gath's amulet, which required blood for him to be freed. This nulliifed the events that gave rise to Kulan Gath's dominion over Earth.

Little things can lead to big changes. That's a popular form of chaos theory. Did you ever read The Nail by Alan Davis? Superman crashlands as a baby. But a nail causes a flat in the Kents' tire and they never find and adopt him. After this small change, Olsen takes over the world killing heroes left and right, Batman goes to hell for murdering Joker. Olsen is ultimately defeated when his final battle with the JLA leads them to an Amish village and his superpowered form is defeated by a simple Amish farmer to the astonishment of all. Who was it? Superman, found and raised by an Amish couple that taught him pacifism. Because the fight was brought to him, he defeated Olsen.

And you're asking me with incredulity as to how small things like removing a sentient bacterial colony or nudging Scott's will to love and live could cause an entire future to be amputated?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Co-sign.

Why does removing Sublime result in amputating the future? Because the terms [b]disinfection, surgery, and amputate are all attributed to Sublime. The first two, undoubtably. The last term, within the same sentence as she is describing Sublime. All pretty much interchangeable. You're making a false distinction between the three. Fact is, she's still holding onto Sublime and speaking about Sublime when she uses all three terms. Moreover, the handbook confirms that extracting Sublime affected the entire future reality:

Only, it does make sense. And it's illustrated on-panel, confirmed by Jean and the Phoenix Force in a conversation and endorsed by secondary sources.

Of course Jean stated she amputated the future after having extracted Sublime. That's what making statements about past events means! What aren't you grasping? Stop complicating the absurdly simple. I order a pizza. I then say to someone, "I had to order some food." What incongruity is there between the two? None.

Reread the handbook entry. More importantly, I don't have to to rely on secondary sources. Go ahead and stop dodging the obvious question: Where in the comic did Jean perform this tumultuous and astronomical universal/temporal feat of telekinesis? Where's the panel? Answer the underlined question.
Precedence?

Legion killed Xavier. That nullified the entire 616 timeline and crystallized it.

Bishop saved Xavier. That undid the crystallization of the entire 616 timeline.

Captain America decided not to kill Red Skull when he was accessing Galactus' Worldship. This prevented the Cosmic Cube power from flowing into Korvac and stopped the rise of Korvac's dominion over Earth.

Future Kitty Pryde transplants her mind into present Kitty Pryde, preventing Senator Robert Kelly's assassination, preventing Earth-616 from spiralling into the Days of Future Past future.

Dr. Strange and Illyana perform a spell that caused Nimrod to retroactively appear and kill a mugger in a subway station. This mugger was attacking a victim who held Kulan Gath's amulet, which required blood for him to be freed. This nulliifed the events that gave rise to Kulan Gath's dominion over Earth.

Little things can lead to big changes. That's a popular form of chaos theory. Did you ever read The Nail by Alan Davis? Superman crashlands as a baby. But a nail causes a flat in the Kents' tire and they never find and adopt him. After this small change, Olsen takes over the world killing heroes left and right, Batman goes to hell for murdering Joker. Olsen is ultimately defeated when his final battle with the JLA leads them to an Amish village and his superpowered form is defeated by a simple Amish farmer to the astonishment of all. Who was it? Superman, found and raised by an Amish couple that taught him pacifism. Because the fight was brought to him, he defeated Olsen.

And you're asking me with incredulity as to how small things like removing a sentient bacterial colony or nudging Scott's will to love and live could cause an entire future to be amputated? [/B]

You've answered or at least you've written something but unfortunately it doesnt make sense, therefore it fails to counter the points.

The HCT was caused by Scotts reaction to Emma.

What we read between New X-men 151 and 154 was after 150 years of the HCT timeline.

Can you please explain to me how removing Sublime from 150 years after the divergent point, is suddenly going to make 150 years of timeline disappear from the end of 616? 😕

Nothing you have provided shows precedence for this kind of thing.

Going back in time and changing an event, or stopping an event from happening is an alteration of the point of divergence. That was Scotts reaction to Emma NOT Sublime. So stories of Bishop going back and doing similar in AOA or Supermans origin being altered resulting in a divergent reality are not relevant.

The removal of Sublime happened after 150 years of HCT. HCT was not dependent on Sublime.

Can you please tell us how as per your interpretation, Phoenix removing Sublime resulted in 150 years of timeline disappearing? 😕

Thank you 👆

^ When did you assume that amputation of the future = removing 150 years of the timeline? From her perspective, those 150 years were actually the past to her. Why would she refer to it as the future? Not just that, but you're essentially asserting that she never averted the 150 years of timeline until she nudged Scott. So why is she talking about amputating the future before she actually accomplishes it? You're chasing your tail so much that you're destroying your own interpretation. Read the handbook. Extracting Sublime affected the entire future reality:

You want to divert the question with another question? Yet, the original question still stands: "Where in the comic did Jean perform this tumultuous and astronomical universal/temporal feat of telekinesis? Where's the panel?" This is the fourth time I asked. We are all waiting with baited breath for your answer.

Thank you in advance. 👆

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ When did you assume that amputation of the future = removing 150 years of the timeline? From her perspective, those 150 years were actually the past to her. Why would she refer to it as the future? Not just that, but you're essentially asserting that she never averted the 150 years of timeline until she nudged Scott. So why is she talking about amputating the future before she actually accomplishes it? You're chasing your tail so much that you're destroying your own interpretation. Read the handbook. Extracting Sublime affected the entire future reality:

This is 616 Jean we're dealing with. Her last dealings with reality prior to her premature hatching was in New X-men 150 when she was killed in the past, just prior to HCT.

From her personal perspective HCT would be an unfamiliar future. It went on for 150 years up until New X-men 154, so that is 150 years of timeline.

Jean cut this timeline off, taking it back to the divergent point(Scotts reaction to Emma) 150 years in the past.

Jean is asked to grow a new future to replace the one she cut away. The fact that the starting point for this exercise is Scotts reaction to Emma, indicates quite clearly that the amount of future that was amputated was indeed 150 years.

This is all quite obvious my friend. Lets not be fallacious. Lets debate to establish the truth, not to win over one another 👇

Please can you tell us all exactly why Sublimes removal from reality would automatically result in the disappearance of 150 years of timeline?

Sublime merely existed within that timeline, it was not dependent on him. I hope thats clear now?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You want to divert the question with another question? Yet, the original question still stands: "Where in the comic did Jean perform this tumultuous and astronomical universal/temporal feat of telekinesis? Where's the panel?" This is the fourth time I asked. We are all waiting with baited breath for your answer.

Thank you in advance. 👆

She states she amputated the future after we see her extracting Sublime. She states the reason she did this was because of Sublime going rogue. Nowhere in a marvel publication are we told that 150 years of timeline were automatically made non existent as a direct result of Jean removing some bacteria from Beast 😬

On panel she says she amputated the future. Verifying her comments on panel she's asked to grow a new future to replace the one she cut away.

In a bio its stated she severed the HCT future. Thats that. You're in no position to debate it never happened.

Did we see on panel the whole battle between Dr Doom and the Beyonder or did we just see the results? What about the entire battle between Eternity and Thanos with the IG? Thanos and Squirrel Girl? Does that mean you can be fallacious sit back and say where did it happen on panel because you have nothing else to say? ❌ 👇

Its stated on panel and the point supported in a bio. Thats that.

Please answer my questions.

Thank you.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No. Its your assumption thats its purple prose and you have no basis for that.

I certainly do.

It's called a firm command of the English language.

Jean had already extracted Sublime and had it in her hand. She later went on to say that she amputated the future.

Again.

1) Jean performs a task.

2) Jean says, "I just performed a task."

Why in the hell would you ever think that indicates two different tasks?

Wait, I know. Because you really, really, really want for your favoritest character to have done an absurd feat.