Thanos with IG vs White Crown Phoenix

Originally posted by Enyalus
Off-hand, beating Magus with an incomplete gauntlet that was still powerful enough to reverse and own the UN, as well as merge two universes together.

Mr. Master would probably know more than that, though. Hell, GS, too, I bet.

The incomplete IG never merged two universes. It was Magus' plan to use it to do so, however before he got to implement his plan he was stopped.

With regards to the UN incident. The UN is a mechanical weapon. If placed an obstruction in a gun and the gun blew back on someone trying to shoot at me, would that make my power greater than a guns?

Its a mechanical device. Its not like Magus fought against another being and shrugged off their attacks. Its not like Magus walked through a UN energy blast unharmed. He affected the workings of the device making it fire on Quasar. And thats enough for people to say:

IG>UN

Thats bull. 😬

Right. I said 'powerful enough to...merge two universes together.'

Which is the case. Because he was doing it. And would've continued to do so, had he not been stopped.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Hyperstorm is a crapstastic example, considering he's mortal and nowhere near an abstract. Nor does he need an M Body. But you're right about the Quasar stuff, and thanks for reminding me. In Quasar vol 1, 37 and the very beginning of 38 the M-Body stuff is discussed in depth, and abstracts taking an M-Body does not diminish their full power. So, Thanos beat Eternity who was at full power. Along with the rest of the abstracts who were sent against him. No one save for LT is a match for the Gauntlet. That was pretty much shown and explained when Warlock had it.

Its not a crap example at all. It goes to show how a power source can be bottlenecked by the body its being channeled through. 🙂

As stated on panel, the skill of the manifesters(the inhabitants of the Dimension of Manifestations who shape themselves into the abstracts Mbodies) determines how well the abstracts are represented:

The input the abstracts have as to how theyre represented is up to them. Sometimes its left up to the manifesters:

What you also seem to be missing is that Eternitys Mbody must tap into the energies of the universe that he represents. Energies which flow through the universe and power it. He cannot fully utilise all of that power without detrimental affects to the universe. He is limited in what he can do.

IG WTF pwns Phoenix

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
IG WTF pwns Phoenix

Only in reputation unfortunately.

When you look at the nature of the IG as per current continuity and then look at its top feat that was defeating the abstracts, then it just doesnt match up 😬

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What you also seem to be missing is that Eternitys Mbody must tap into the energies of the universe that he represents. Energies which flow through the universe and power it. He cannot fully utilise all of that power without detrimental affects to the universe. He is limited in what he can do.

Eternity was going to war. A war in which he was the last line of defense. He wouldn't be going into it at less than a hundred percent. Also, Eternity powers all universes, not just that one. And, it wasn't as though Eternity was destroyed so that everything ended. He was simply imprisoned and his position usurped. So there was no 'power' loss to worry about affecting the rest of the universe.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Only in reputation unfortunately.

When you look at the nature of the IG as per current continuity and then look at its top feat that was defeating the abstracts, then it just doesnt match up 😬

What are you talking about... It pwnd abstracts, UN and was merging two universes together with an INCOMPLETE IG. Let's also talk about how the LT knew in battling warlock that it would destroy universes/realities and he questioned even trying to do so. Hyperbole and one questionable feat by the Phoenix doesn't beat the feats of the IG.

Not to mention that it was 5 cosmic cubes which created that second universe. And Magus tells us the IG is superior. Hell, the IG was superior to 30 cosmic cubes.

(30 Cosmic Cubes also made the Cosmic Egg which is now featured in DC's Trinity as well)

Originally posted by Enyalus
Eternity was going to war. A war in which he was the last line of defense. He wouldn't be going into it at less than a hundred percent. Also, Eternity powers all universes, not just that one. And, it wasn't as though Eternity was destroyed so that everything ended. He was simply imprisoned and his position usurped. So there was no 'power' loss to worry about affecting the rest of the universe.

Eternity doesnt power anything. Youre just displaying your ignorance of the character youre trying to argue with me about 😬

You have the universe. Then you have Eternity. Eternity is a representation of the universe. Eternity taps into the powers of the universe, he does not power universes.

In situations like these, Eternity has a dilemna. He needs to protect his position in the universe, however he also needs to protect the universe. He cant draw on all of the power of the universe without depriving everything else of power and destroying the universe he is an avatar of.

The Eternity Mbody does not contain the full power of the universe within it, it is just an avatar that taps into the universes power. Thanos never withstood the sum of the universes power, just something that tapped into that power.

Phoenix manipulated at an atomic level all that is the ACTUAL universe. The actual universe that Eternity is just a representation of. Think of all of those planets, stars, galaxies, all of that energy and matter and Phoenix manipulated it in her palms. The sum of the power of the universe. To be able to do that with no apparent difficulty shows that Jean was a power considerably greater than the power contained within 616.

See that little structure in her hand? 😕

Thats Eternity 😬

Can someone sum up why this is actually supposed to be a battle?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Eternity doesnt power anything. Youre just displaying your ignorance of the character youre trying to argue with me about 😬

So, what..?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You have the universe. Then you have Eternity. Eternity is a representation of the universe. Eternity taps into the powers of the universe, he does not power universes.

Right. So you've continued to say. Which is complete speculation on your part not backed up by anything on panel, ever. Not even what you tried to use as evidence: Quasar #37.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What are you talking about... It pwnd abstracts, UN and was merging two universes together with an INCOMPLETE IG. Let's also talk about how the LT knew in battling warlock that it would destroy universes/realities and he questioned even trying to do so. Hyperbole and one questionable feat by the Phoenix doesn't beat the feats of the IG.

It pawned abstracts within a little universe that Phoenix manipulated at the atomic level in the palm of her hand. WOW 😱

Magus talked about his plans for the IG to merge two universe, it never happened. 😬

LT talked of how his battle could destroy the universe. So what?

None of this changes how comparatively small scale the IG's top feat is.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Magus talked about his plans for the IG to merge two universe, it never happened. 😬

The incomplete IG was merging the two universes. And one of those universes was created by the Magus from his 5 Cosmic cubes....which he admits are inferior to the incomplete IG he held. So if he felt so inclined, even an incomplete gauntlet could create a universe.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
LT talked of how his battle could destroy the universe. So what?

LT said it would lay waste to 'this reality.' They were at a nexus of realities, so I assume that means their battle would've destroyed the multiverse.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It pawned abstracts within a little universe that Phoenix manipulated at the atomic level in the palm of her hand. WOW 😱

No it was happening GS unless he was stopped. It wasn't talk it was happening. All the phoenix has is hyperbole nothing more. How about this give the the top people the Phoenix has beaten and we'll compare lists. Since you saw she could just manipulate whatever or whoever she wanted to there should be a long line of victories and no defeats 🙄

Originally posted by Enyalus

So, what..?

Right. So you've continued to say. Which is complete speculation on your part not backed up by anything on panel, ever. Not even what you tried to use as evidence: Quasar #37. [/B]

And what does that scan show exactly?

Eternity is the embodiment of all that lies along the chronal axis(with Infinity embodying the spatial axis) so as Dormammu flew through him, thats how he saw universe cycles.

On top of that it says all energy lies within Eternitys being. Eternity is the universe, where else would you expect to find all the power of the universe? 🙄

So please tell me how this says that Eternity powers universes as opposed to what we already knew, that the power of the universe lies within him and hes the embodiment of the chronal axis 😬

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So please tell me how this says that Eternity powers universes as opposed to what we already knew, that the power of the universe lies within him and hes the embodiment of the chronal axis 😬

All the universes. Every one of them. The power of all of those universes, all energy and matter, are Eternity's power.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The incomplete IG never merged two universes. It was Magus' plan to use it to do so, however before he got to implement his plan he was stopped.

With regards to the UN incident. The UN is a mechanical weapon. If placed an obstruction in a gun and the gun blew back on someone trying to shoot at me, would that make my power greater than a guns?

Its a mechanical device. Its not like Magus fought against another being and shrugged off their attacks. Its not like Magus walked through a UN energy blast unharmed. He affected the workings of the device making it fire on Quasar. And thats enough for people to say:

IG>UN

Thats bull. 😬

Incomplete IG > Quasar trying to use the UN.

The significance of turning the UN's power back on Quasar, whether it's screwing with his mind to shoot it upon himself, transporting Quasar spatially into the effects of nullification or simply redirecting the focused blast of power back onto Quasar does not suggest that the Infinity Gauntlet's level of power surpasses the UN's power to reset the entire Marvel Multiverse.

Black Alice literally stole all of Spectre's power in Day of Vengeance. She made it her own and used it. That feat clearly suggests that she can affect the Spectreforce. And she didn't just redirect the Spectreforce to feedback onto him. She redirected it by literally imbuing it in her own body. That doesn't mean Black Alice > Spectre.

But I still pretty much disagree with everything you suggest regarding Here Comes Tomorrow, GS. You tried to convince me that Jean accomplished one of the greatest feats in comics, i.e. telekinetically manifesting an entire universe in her hands and telekinetically cutting away a future... off-panel. But your use of purple prose, your stretching of the limits of an isolated statement, all while disregarding context results in a ruination of your assertions.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
See that little structure in her hand? 😕

Thats Eternity 😬

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So Phoenix is actually holding the entire universe in her hands here. It's not a representation of the universe. But the phoenix flaring up all inside of it is only a representation of her power upon the universe. Since, as you understand, if it was actually a phoenix flaring up in direct proportion to the universe, it'd be wreaking havoc in it:

So there is one Eternity or many different Eternities, one for each universe? If both then are we assuming WCP is fighting the multiversal one?

Originally posted by h1a8
So there is one Eternity or many different Eternities, one for each universe? If both then are we assuming WCP is fighting the multiversal one?

WCP is fighting Thanos w/ IG...

And Eternity is Eternity is Eternity. They don't come in greater or lessers, or more than one.