Thanos with IG vs White Crown Phoenix

Again a lot of things could have happened but the burden of proof is on you. It's clear the IG is superior to the UN and yet your still arguing a point that is on panel. Even if we go by your theory just the mere fact that the UN has such an exploitable weakness is all that is need to prove the I > UN as that would and could happen every time they matched up. So, yes it's not speculation that the writers were trying to convey that very point and that is exactly what I have stated the IG > UN for whatever reason.

You still keep avoiding my question... Could somebody throw water on the U.N. and get it to malfunction since your theory it's a mechanical device? You keep avoiding the question because you know it's not just that simple. It's well more then a mechanical device that could easily be beaten such as that. Furthermore, it was NEVER stated he beat the UN by exploiting the mechanics of it. Your quote further shoots down that on panel proof. With but a gesture I stopped it... Tell me where in there you say he said he effected the mechanics of it. Your own bolded quote disproves your conclusion. You can use conjecture and say that is what he meant however again that is only your opinion correct?

By the way.... LT has faced off against Protege for example which is much more the PF ever has or ever will it seems. Plus not to mention.. Korvac I believe his name was.. where he had to seal off the universe because he couldn't destroy him. Those are just two examples which far surpass anything FP has ever done. Everybody laughs at your ONE and ONE example of the FP being super duper awesome. Not only do you twist the scans for your own purposes that is the ONLY time the PF was seen to do something even close to that lol. The fact is though that FP hasn't beaten anybody and you only have one twisted account that seems to support the FP being super uber duper and holding eternity and infinity in the palm of her hand lol haha. Ooo by the way what happened to the FP one of the times it was seen in a battle situation in the Onslaught Saga HAHAH LOL.

You know how the gems were formed correct.. with the suicide of a God.... Well then if the PF is the force behind those gems they it seems the PF would be all you would need to shut them off and have them stop working together as the LT did. However, the might FP was yet again no where to be found when it came time to confront Thanos or Warlock or anybody for that matter lol.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Of course they were screwed. Their great hope had a weakness that Magus could easily exploit and he did. It was mechanical. The feared nullification ray, (the power that causes the UN to ranked so highly) is dependent on the internal mechanisms of the UN.

Magus affected the weapon and it malfunctioned.

And any wielder could do it again and again if faced with the UN, but thats not the point. The point is that exploiting a weakness doesnt equate to someone being greater in power. If that was the case then the IG wielder could just take a blast from the UN head on and shrug it off. But no, Magus had to tamper with the weapon to avoid it firing on him. That says it all.

Soon as the ig(not even the whole thing, but every gem except the reality gem functioned in unison again then he easily defeated the un) I mean it is plain as day. He feared the un before the ig worked, but when it did it could easily be used against its bearer.

Originally posted by wannabe
I know that GS's arguments here are rather dry, unspectacular and not very comic...ish (does such a word exist?)...

[b]BUT

... they are perfectly accurate on a logical level, so why are you exercising evasive maneuvers instead of reacting directly to them? 😕 [/B]

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again a lot of things could have happened but the burden of proof is on you. It's clear the IG is superior to the UN and yet your still arguing a point that is on panel. Even if we go by your theory just the mere fact that the UN has such an exploitable weakness is all that is need to prove the I > UN as that would and could happen every time they matched up. So, yes it's not speculation that the writers were trying to convey that very point and that is exactly what I have stated the IG > UN for whatever reason.

You dont read my posts do you? And yet youre stubbornly and persistently arguing on and wasting my time 🙂

My argument is less whats greater out of the two and more focused on the point that that particular scene isnt evidence that the IG is greater, not in terms of destructive power at least.

I also said that the IG is more versatile and it is, it can do so much more than the UN which is in comparison a one trick pony. However in terms of destructive power the UN is clearly greater than anything the IG has done.

I already said that any IG wielder could do the same again and again, because the Un has a weakness that can be exploited. But thats just because its a device. Its not a sentient being. Exploiting a weakness doesnt make something more powerful, if you were more powerful you could take your opponent head on.

Does Lex exploiting Supermans weakness with Kryptonite make him more powerful? ❌

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You still keep avoiding my question... Could somebody throw water on the U.N. and get it to malfunction since your theory it's a mechanical device? You keep avoiding the question because you know it's not just that simple. It's well more then a mechanical device that could easily be beaten such as that. Furthermore, it was NEVER stated he beat the UN by exploiting the mechanics of it. Your quote further shoots down that on panel proof. With but a gesture I stopped it... Tell me where in there you say he said he effected the mechanics of it. Your own bolded quote disproves your conclusion. You can use conjecture and say that is what he meant however again that is only your opinion correct?

The UN is a piece of technology. Regardless of how complex it is, its never going to take as much power to make a device malfunction than it is to shrug off the nullification ray.

Its clearly stated that he turned the weapon on the user. That means he affected the weapon.

Please show me where its stated that he affected the energies the weapon generates or you have nothing of note to say. 🙁

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
By the way.... LT has faced off against Protege for example which is much more the PF ever has or ever will it seems. Plus not to mention.. Korvac I believe his name was.. where he had to seal off the universe because he couldn't destroy him. Those are just two examples which far surpass anything FP has ever done. Everybody laughs at your ONE and ONE example of the FP being super duper awesome. Not only do you twist the scans for your own purposes that is the ONLY time the PF was seen to do something even close to that lol. The fact is though that FP hasn't beaten anybody and you only have one twisted account that seems to support the FP being super uber duper and holding eternity and infinity in the palm of her hand lol haha. Ooo by the way what happened to the FP one of the times it was seen in a battle situation in the Onslaught Saga HAHAH LOL.

Are you stupid or are you just being facetious? There are a number of characters who have no high level battle feats and yet forum opinion is that they are on the top tiers because they affect a device which is greater than many powerful beings, or theyve affected the reality which determines many powerful beings. You overlook those examples and focus on Phoenix because you are debating me. Thats a big fail.

Phoenix has feats whith her powers which make your insistence on focusing on how she hasnt fought the little abstracts quite ridiculous.

If you can have total telekinetic control of a universes atoms, then you can atomise that universe. The abstracts are just representative of the universe, they depend on it. Her not having battle feats against them is irrelevant given what she has achieved. Nothing you say can change that. 🙂

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You know how the gems were formed correct.. with the suicide of a God.... Well then if the PF is the force behind those gems they it seems the PF would be all you would need to shut them off and have them stop working together as the LT did. However, the might FP was yet again no where to be found when it came time to confront Thanos or Warlock or anybody for that matter lol.

Where was LT or any of the abstracts during the M'kraan crystal saga? That threatened the entire multiverse and yet none of the abstracts got involved. It goes both ways.

And have you heard of the term retcon? The Ig was stated to tap into the power of the Big Bang by Adam Warlock long time gem user and one time wielder of the IG and this point was referred to in the Champions last handbook entry.

Infinity Being who? 😱

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok, let's first address your misconception of events that took place here. he feared the un because Doom showed up and messed wit his jamming signal that prevented it being fired. 😂 He didn't even need the ig functioning at that particular point, but when Doom and Kang broke in and destroyed his equipment he was susceptible. The ig wasn't functioning in unison at that point so it would have indeed killed the lot of them had Quasar fired at that point.

Soon as the ig(not even the whole thing, but every gem except the reality gem functioned in unison again then he easily defeated the un) I mean it is plain as day. He feared the un before the ig worked, but when it did it could easily be used against its bearer.

How does that scan change anything?

Because Magus wasnt afraid thats proof that that scene clearly shows the IG to be more powerful? ❌

The Un is feared for its null ray. Magus never shrugged off a hit from this ray and neither did manipulate its energies therefore how is anyone in a position to say the IG is greater?

The Ig is more versatile, me personally id rather have the Ig out of the two because the UN is a one trick pony. However nowhere in that scene are we told that anything but how Magus affected the weapon. Thats just exploiting the UNs weakness. Nothing more.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How does that scan change anything?

Because Magus wasnt afraid thats proof that that scene clearly shows the IG to be more powerful? ❌

The Un is feared for its null ray. Magus never shrugged off a hit from this ray and neither did manipulate its energies therefore how is anyone in a position to say the IG is greater?

The Ig is more versatile, me personally id rather have the Ig out of the two because the UN is a one trick pony. However nowhere in that scene are we told that anything but how Magus affected the weapon. Thats just exploiting the UNs weakness. Nothing more.

The crux of your argument was all before Magus had an incomplete ig in his possession working again. 😄

Ig defeats it everytime and you have no proof that the un can defeat an ig user.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
How does that scan change anything?

Because Magus wasnt afraid thats proof that that scene clearly shows the IG to be more powerful? ❌

The Un is feared for its null ray. Magus never shrugged off a hit from this ray and neither did manipulate its energies therefore how is anyone in a position to say the IG is greater?

Didn't manipulate its energies? He flat out says that he turns the weapon back upon its wielder, with a thought. That's manipulation. If it wasn't and it was a Quasar **** up, he wouldn't have said that he 'turned it upon' its user.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Didn't manipulate its energies? He flat out says that he turns the weapon back upon its wielder, with a thought. That's manipulation. If it wasn't and it was a Quasar **** up, he wouldn't have said that he 'turned it upon' its user.

Originally posted by Galan007
Stop making sense! 😠

Yea, I went there.

Originally posted by Mindset
Then he'd be you.

Yea, I went there.

Didnt Kubik warp an entire universe into a sphere or something? If so is he also above the IG?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Didn't manipulate its energies? He flat out says that he turns the weapon back upon its wielder, with a thought. That's manipulation. If it wasn't and it was a Quasar **** up, he wouldn't have said that he 'turned it upon' its user.

He said he turned the weapon on its user. Nothing was mentioned with regards to manipulating the energies of the Un or reflecting them back on Quasar. The weapon is the UN itself not the energies it generates therefore his statement only tells us he affected the device itself.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Didnt Kubik warp an entire universe into a sphere or something? If so is he also above the IG?

If said universe wasnt a pocket universe, then yes you'd have a point. 😬

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He said he turned the weapon on its user. Nothing was mentioned with regards to manipulating the energies of the Un or reflecting them back on Quasar. The weapon is the UN itself not the energies it generates therefore his statement only tells us he affected the device itself.

Yes, of course, I forgot - a weapon that Galactus fears can be manipulated by even Magneto's electromagnetic control.

But wait, doesn't Galactus have electromagnetism manipulation via Power Cosmic? 🙄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You dont read my posts do you? And yet youre stubbornly and persistently arguing on and wasting my time 🙂

My argument is less whats greater out of the two and more focused on the point that that particular scene isnt evidence that the IG is greater, not in terms of destructive power at least.

I also said that the IG is more versatile and it is, it can do so much more than the UN which is in comparison a one trick pony. However in terms of destructive power the UN is clearly greater than anything the IG has done.

I already said that any IG wielder could do the same again and again, because the Un has a weakness that can be exploited. But thats just because its a device. Its not a sentient being. Exploiting a weakness doesnt make something more powerful, if you were more powerful you could take your opponent head on.

Does Lex exploiting Supermans weakness with Kryptonite make him more powerful? ❌

The UN is a piece of technology. Regardless of how complex it is, its never going to take as much power to make a device malfunction than it is to shrug off the nullification ray.

Its clearly stated that he turned the weapon on the user. That means he affected the weapon.

Please show me where its stated that he affected the energies the weapon generates or you have nothing of note to say. 🙁

Are you stupid or are you just being facetious? There are a number of characters who have no high level battle feats and yet forum opinion is that they are on the top tiers because they affect a device which is greater than many powerful beings, or theyve affected the reality which determines many powerful beings. You overlook those examples and focus on Phoenix because you are debating me. Thats a big fail.

Phoenix has feats whith her powers which make your insistence on focusing on how she hasnt fought the little abstracts quite ridiculous.

If you can have total telekinetic control of a universes atoms, then you can atomise that universe. The abstracts are just representative of the universe, they depend on it. Her not having battle feats against them is irrelevant given what she has achieved. Nothing you say can change that. 🙂

Where was LT or any of the abstracts during the M'kraan crystal saga? That threatened the entire multiverse and yet none of the abstracts got involved. It goes both ways.

And have you heard of the term retcon? The Ig was stated to tap into the power of the Big Bang by Adam Warlock long time gem user and one time wielder of the IG and this point was referred to in the Champions last handbook entry.

Infinity Being who? 😱

Resorting to name calling are we lol.

You have no proof at all that the IG effect the mechanics of the UN none what-so-ever. It's possible but so are a lot of things. You act as though it's a fact while I act as though a lot of things could've happened. You've already lost the debate just on your stubborness and lack of logic alone. However, again answer my question... Could somebody just throw water on the UN since you claim all you have to do is disrupt it's mechanics as if it's that easy? Or are you saying it's not that easy but the IG is powerful enough to do so? Regardless, as even your argument points out my view is correct. THE WRITERS WANTED TO DEPICT THE IG BEING GREATER THEN THE UN. You disagreed with it yet then turned around and agreed when called on it. Clearly, they were trying to convey that message correct which is exactly what I said. Unless of course you have some evidence saying they weren't trying to convey that and the only reason the IG won was because it effected its mechanics.

Secondly, again I had to tool you.... Didn't you reference the LT in one of your post arguing that he doesn't have any battle feats and therefore he's like the PF? I can quote it for you if you'd like but you did say that. So, you referenced him not me, i just gave you examples of his battle feats to which you then ignore because I just proved you wrong again. The LT does have battle feats while the FP... well has the Onslaught Saga lol haha.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dude, I just pointed out that Magus feared the un before the ig functioned. When it did he easily said he could use it against his bearer. Ig beats it everytime due to its versatility. You have no proof either that its ray can defeat the ig.

The crux of your argument was all before Magus had an incomplete ig in his possession working again. 😄

Ig defeats it everytime and you [B]have no proof that the un can defeat an ig user. [/B]

If i was in possession of the IG and someone was going to use a device on me then i wouldnt give a shit either lol

The device isnt to be feared, but the energies it generates. Said energies are dependent on the workings of the device. So if you were in possession of a gauntlet that could do virtually anything, would you be scared?

Nope. You just target the device and thats what he did.

If we're arguing who would win out of a fight, an IG wielder or a UN wielder then its the IG hands down. But thats not what im arguing and thats what you seem to be missing time and time again.

What im arguing is that that scene is not evidence of the IG being able to empower a user beyond the destructive effects of the UN.

The Ig can make sure they never have to face the null beam, but nowhere in continuity have we been given a scene that conclusively shows us that the IG can shrug off the power of the UN.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Yes, of course, I forgot - a weapon that Galactus fears can be manipulated by even Magneto's electromagnetic control.

But wait, doesn't Galactus have electromagnetism manipulation via Power Cosmic? 🙄

I said feasible. Therefore your little rant is irrelevant. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I said feasible. Therefore your little rant is irrelevant. 🙂

Clearly, it isn't feasible. Otherwise Galactus and other abstracts wouldn't fear it, would they? Were it able to be so easily manipulated as you keep suggesting.

maybe, maybe not

I sense that this is about to get alot more interesting.