Originally posted by id369Wait what does the universal creation have to do with power scaling?
If I recall, the IG does not have one to claim as its own.
Even LESS than the complete IG is able to created UniverseS from scratch.
4 Gems (Mind-Soul-Space-Power)
were Creating entire Realities back to back to back
one on top of the other:
"Each New Wave CREATED another New Reality"
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This incredible feat was uber madness,
and was going to cause the Omniverse to collpase.
(this story takes place acorss Two MultiverseS
one houses 616 the other the Ultraverse)
"What do you mean NOTHING belongs here? ... This whole Reality is wrong,
"These Two Gems (Time-Reality) must be reunited,
otherwise ALL REALITIES, including this one, will be destroyed,
I have to use them to CREATE a New and stronger Reality,
one whose Fabric isn't unravelling as this one is"
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In the end,
2 Gems (Time-Reality)
were able to nullify all those Realities
while simultaneously creating over that a single entire Universe in an instant
by manipulating Time and warping Reality:
Time Gem:
"Reality/Time Gems reunited,
we can travel back to the Reality and Time to stop the Nemesis waves"
Amber:
"I don't understand this, but if You Gems (Reality/Time) are here with me,
and also in Nemesis aren't there Two of You know?"
Time gem:
"No ... I (Time Gem) removed the Reality Gem
and Myself from this exact nanosecond of Time we now occupy.
Two Time Gems would create a Paradox
that would destroy Nemesis, Reality and Time forever"
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"Due to the exposure to the Entity (Nemesis)
your body now holds the power to absorb the Nemesis Waves
and then release it as harmless energy"
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That was just 4 Gems ... and then 2 Gems ...
Respect the IG yall. (6 Gems) stoned
Originally posted by id369If universal creation, is to be the bench mark of power scaling.
Then all the better, maybe on another Forum I can create a topic.Thanos w/IG vs. The Titans at their Prime.
Originally posted by EnyalusHey Mr. Master, you wanna refute GS's unfounded claims about M-Bodies only tapping into a fraction of the power that those concepts represent?
You probably have a lot more on-panel evidence than I do regarding that.
It's the continuous degradation of all and any feats that surpass that of the Phoenix.
No were on panel or any bio is that claim even alluded to.
I challenge anyone to produce a single statement
that claims M-Bodies come in various levels of power.
In fact, the only proof we do have,
is that Fractals do possess the FULL Power of the Abstracts they manifest bodies for.
I'll get the proof in a minute.
First proof the IG makes one God over all reality ... absolute omnipotence!
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Marvel.com states the Infinity Gauntlet grants:
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Infinity_Gauntlet_%28item%29
Powers: "Absolute Omnipotence when the Gems are used altogether"
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*** On Panel proof ***
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Thanos became "God" beneath the LT according to Marvel comics:
Thanos, ... "In-effect became God"
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Warlock became "God" beneath the LT according to Marvel comics:
Warlock, ... "was mentally unfit to be God"
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Soul Gem states:
That the IG is Omnipotence ... and makes the wielder All there is:
"I am one of Six which were once One ...
we were Omnipotence and All there was"
The Living Tribunal certifies this claim:
"Warlock chose him while in a state of Omnipotence,
AND,
it can NOT be denied"
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*** Jim Starlin interview ***
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Jim Starlin
(the writer/creator of the Infinity Gauntlet)
gets interviewed by Marvel Age.
Marvel Age is a Marvel title specifically designed to get the intricate details
to stories from the Writers themselves.
"The Infinity Gauntlet,
a story that dealt with the idea of a nihilist (Thanos) becoming God"
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Jim Starlin himself adds:
"I've done the good side of God and the bad side of God,
I've gone as far as I can with the Infinity Gauntlet"
Come on now what are you trying to pull?
The collapse of the Infinity Being and the segregation of 2 of the 6 gems lead those destructive waves of energy. The whole point of neutralizing the wave, was to reunite them. No one argues such feat.
However, you need to make up your mind. Was 4 gems or 2 gems? Never mind, the comic answers it for you.
But you know what’s remarkably silly. The fact, of ABSOLUTE omnipotence is once again thrown, when the IG has already bin proven not to be so. If Omnipotence has bin disproven, its no longer Omnipotent
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AGAIN!!!!
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Thanos defeats 616 Eternity is one move:
Thanos even replaces the core of the Omniverse with himself in an instant.
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Big deal, and who the heck is 616 Eternity?
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Dormammu gets ready to travel to Eternity's core, the 616 reality:
"All of Eternity's power will be mine ...
I go now into the mystery of Eternity ...
the power of Creation itself"
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He transcends from the Dimension of Manifestations, into the 616 Reality.
What is the power of 616 Eternity?
"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL This -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,
the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,
I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"
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Holy! ... Now I see who 616 Eternity is.
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Strange on Eternity: (during the Dormy arc)
Strange:
"As I suspected,
he's managed to siphon off the Infinite energies of Eternity himself"
Namor:
"You speak as if Dormammu has become some kind of ... GOD."
Strange:
"GOD --- may be too small a word"
Namor:
"We've face self-styled gods before ... everytime we've stopped them"
Strange:
"You don't understand?
Eternity IS A GOD! He is ...
the complete embodiment of everyone and everything ...
... on All levels of Creation"
(he ain't lying ... shoo, we just saw Dormy witness it in live action, not just talk, talk, hyperbole blahblah)
Originally posted by id369Come on now what are you trying to pull?
The collapse of the Infinity Being and the segregation of 2 of the 6 gems lead those destructive waves of energy.
The whole point of neutralizing the wave, was to reunite them.
No one argues such feat.
The 4 gems were acting on their own,
they were the waves of energy.
Didn't think I'd need to post the whole book, but let me know.
Originally posted by id369However, you need to make up your mind.
Was 4 gems or 2 gems? Never mind, the comic answers it for you.
2 Gems nullified what the 4 had done,
then created a final Universe that became the Ultraverse again.
Let me know if anything else confuses you
that leads you to think my mind is caught in some middle.
Originally posted by id369But you know what's remarkably silly. The fact, of ABSOLUTE omnipotence is once again thrown, when the IG has already bin proven not to be so. If Omnipotence has bin disproven, its no longer Omnipotent
As far as we know,
only a power = or greater than the LT is above the IG.
If you have any proof to contrary,
shoot, otherwise, sit back and enjoy the truth.
Originally posted by id369
The first scan is referring to physical beings that use M-bodies like Galactus,
in that spectrum the M-bodies are not truly the physical character as a whole,
because well ... Galactus has a body, and doesn't need fractals,
he only indulges them when he has to make an appearance where his physical body can't be.
The second scan is referring to the image of the M-body, NOT it's power.
So .. No were in those pages does it even allude to M-bodies coming in various levels of power.
Nice try.
What I will say GS and all I've been trying to say is that your not totally wrong I'm just saying your acting as though you KNOW what happened while I'm acting like that could be but also this COULD be. Nothing I have said hasn't been factual and I haven't claimed to know what happened. However, to act as though you KNOW that is what Mags did and act like it's just simple mechanics (throwing Magneto) in there is what my problem was. Your interrupation could be right but so could others as well which you would never concede
Originally posted by psycho gundam
oh shit, it's on now!
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiWarned for posting when GS and Mr M are debating! uhuh
What I will say GS and all I've been trying to say is that your not totally wrong I'm just saying your acting as though you KNOW what happened while I'm acting like that could be but also this COULD be. Nothing I have said hasn't been factual and I haven't claimed to know what happened. However, to act as though you KNOW that is what Mags did and act like it's just simple mechanics (throwing Magneto) in there is what my problem was. Your interrupation could be right but so could others as well which you would never concede
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Originally posted by Mr Master
🤨The 4 gems were acting on their own,
they were the waves of energy.Didn't think I'd need to post the whole book, but let me know.
4 Gems were creating Realities back to back on top of one another.
2 Gems nullified what the 4 had done,
then created a final Universe that became the Ultraverse again.Let me know if anything else confuses you
that leads you to think my mind is caught in some middle.Guess you're not aware of Marvels' levels of Omnipotence.
As far as we know,
only a power = or greater than the LT is above the IG.If you have any proof to contrary,
shoot, otherwise, sit back and enjoy the truth.
I wouldn’t mind you post any scan, just watch what you comment. You have the grave tendency to misinterpret or add on personal comments into the scenes. Comments that are not shown, in the scene itself.
And for my response, no you don’t have to post anything more since its already stated in the scan you posted.
When marvel throws omnipotence, it only really means big power. Not that they are the one imalcuable being that stands above all else.
I said this before, and I will say it again. This is KMC, not marvel comics. If you think Omnipotence can be equated or represented by cardinal numbers. Stop reading comics, because you need Jesus.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
damn, id with the left hook that landed flush.
lol
I am also a huge boxing fan.
Sucks that Marco Antonio Barrera lost, in fact I have enough evidence to point out he was set up to fail. But hopefully Cotto/Clotty match will live up.
Waiting to see, who Juan Manuel Marquez will fight next.
Originally posted by Mr Masterwait 1 wich Eternity is he talkin about
"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
[B]Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL This -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,[/B]
Originally posted by id369I wouldn’t mind you post any scan, just watch what you comment. You have the grave tendency to misinterpret or add on personal comments into the scenes. Comments that are not shown, in the scene itself.
If you got proof then post, if not stop hatin.
Originally posted by id369And for my response, no you don’t have to post anything more since its already stated in the scan you posted.
Originally posted by id369When marvel throws omnipotence, it only really means big power. Not that they are the one imalcuable being that stands above all else.
Levels of omnipotence depends on the scale of that power over time/space.
Simple and effective.
Originally posted by id369I said this before, and I will say it again. This is KMC, not marvel comics. If you think Omnipotence can be equated or represented by cardinal numbers. Stop reading comics, because you need Jesus.
Let me know when you got something of significance to add concerning Marvel cosmological affairs.
Cause right about now you just hating cause you gots nada.
I'll post the actual Phoenix Force (Host-less) AGAIN,
getting dropped by 6 heroes.
While you're at it,
try and post a scene of Phoenix defeating a considerable foe, just once.
And also, try and post Phoenix creating just even just a Galaxy, let alone a Universe. 😂
