Originally posted by Escape81
I don't know about all the forums, but he seems to take elements from most of them. He taught Maul to be a master of Juyo, so he knows it. He knows something close to Ataru - and perhaps Makashi.
Why would Maul knowing Juyo mean Sidious has to know that? It's very possible that Maul learned it from a holocron or some other teaching method. That's like saying that Obi-wan must also know form five because Anakin knows it.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
wiki with references noted. If you believe it to be non canon, then its up to you to disprove it. As that statement and claim contradicts nothing, its not up to us to prove he knows them all. We have a source, the doubters don't.
Excuse me, but you clearly don't understand debate. It is not up to me to prove your statement wrong by finding a source which disputes it, you're the one making the claim, it is up to you to provide a source.
again...reading my friend...at the bottom of the page is a list of all the references to the claims of th page. If you click on the previous pages, you will see that i took the liberty of copying and pasting all the noted refs. on the page. If you still feel that it is incorrect, then feel free to check on all the refs. made. Is it really that hard to believe that the most powerful sith lord ever knows all the forms?
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
again...reading my friend...at the bottom of the page is a list of all the references to the claims of th page. If you click on the previous pages, you will see that i took the liberty of copying and pasting all the noted refs. on the page. If you still feel that it is incorrect, then feel free to check on all the refs. made. Is it really that hard to believe that the most powerful sith lord ever knows all the forms?
I think it is you who needs to work on their reading skills, I said exact source. Provide a quote, and exact source, and you'll have an argument. Until then, you have no case.
Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Why would Maul knowing Juyo mean Sidious has to know that? It's very possible that Maul learned it from a holocron or some other teaching method. That's like saying that Obi-wan must also know form five because Anakin knows it.
Please, Glentract.
1) If you expect this theory to hold weight, than I suppose Ragnos doesn't know everything that Sadow or Kressh know, either, correct?
2) There are many lightsaber instructors for the Jedi. There's only Sidious for Maul.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
actually, you have no case cause you have nothing to contradict it or argue against it except your opinion.
Bullshit, you're the one making the claim, it is up to you to prove it, don't ask me to prove a negative
So i don't have to prove shit. The references are there for you to go through.
Don't be silly Subject, it's up to you to provide proof for your claims.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
actually, you have no case cause you have nothing to contradict it or argue against it except your opinion. So i don't have to prove shit. The references are there for you to go through.
By your craptastical logic, I can use "the internet" and my source for Darth Maul being a reincarnation of Revan. I've got a source, it's up to you to sort through it. See the failure of your ways?
1) If you expect this theory to hold weight, than I suppose Ragnos doesn't know everything that Sadow or Kressh know, either, correct?
Yes, Ragnos doesn't know everything that Sadow knows.
2) There are many lightsaber instructors for the Jedi. There's only Sidious for Maul.
Who says that Maul had to learn it from Sidious? There are things such as holocrons. Guess how Luke learned his form? It wasn't from Obi-wan or Yoda. Guess how Bane got most of his knowledge. From holocrons. If you want to claim that Sidious knows Juyo you're going to need some better evidence.
Originally posted by Escape81
Out of polite curiosity, Kas'Im, why make this thread? If Bane has his orbalisks - that means that he could likely beat anyone in a sheer saber match.Including Sidious.
According to LS, the Orbalisk's don't cover his wrist, waist, or head. The Orbalisk's do give him a massive advantage in the fact that they remove 95% of Sidious' potential targets, but the are still targets. However, I don't see Sidious being able to take Bane down in pure lightsaber combat.
Originally posted by Escape81
Out of polite curiosity, Kas'Im, why make this thread? If Bane has his orbalisks - that means that he could likely beat anyone in a sheer saber match.Including Sidious.
It's just that I know there will be people who will argue for both sides, and this seemed like it could be a pretty interesting thread.
Yes, Ragnos doesn't know everything that Sadow knows.
I'll rememeber this. And I suggest you do the same, the next time that we debate on Ragnos.
Who says that Maul had to learn it from Sidious? There are things such as holocrons. Guess how Luke learned his form? It wasn't from Obi-wan or Yoda. Guess how Bane got most of his knowledge. From holocrons. If you want to claim that Sidious knows Juyo you're going to need some better evidence.
Oh, yes. Because the situations with Bane and Luke are identical to Maul's own.
Obi-Wan and Yoda were both with Luke for extremely short amounts of time, before they both died. Sidious trained Maul from infancy. Now, of course, it is possible for a Sith Holocron to have taught Maul. But, I'd say that if this holocron were in Sidious's possession - and that it is confirmed that Sidious is the most knowledgeable Sith Lord - then he, too, must know Juyo.
Unless of course you don't think that Sidious learned from the holocrons that he had in his possession. Certainly doesn't fit his modus operandi and personality, now does it?
I'll rememeber this. And I suggest you do the same, the next time that we debate on Ragnos.
It doesn't make any difference. Ragnos doesn't have to know everything they know to be leagues ahead of them in power.
Oh, yes. Because the situations with Bane and Luke are identical to Maul's own.
Obi-Wan and Yoda were both with Luke for extremely short amounts of time, before they both died. Sidious trained Maul from infancy. Now, of course, it is possible for a Sith Holocron to have taught Maul. But, I'd say that if this holocron were in Sidious's possession - and that it is confirmed that Sidious is the most knowledgeable Sith Lord - then he, too, must know Juyo.
Unless of course you don't think that Sidious learned from the holocrons that he had in his possession. Certainly doesn't fit his modus operandi and personality, now does it?
When was Sidious said to be the most knowledgeable Sith Lord in reguards to lightsaber combat? Sidious was still learning a lot of things after Darth Maul died, he wasn't the most knowledgeable at that time necessarily. And why would Sidious use Juyo? It doesn't fit his body type or fighting style at all. Sidious didn't know everything on the holocrons in his posession.