Orbalisk Bane versus DE Sidious, lightsbaer battle

Originally posted by Lightsnake
....Maul spent his whole life fighting and mastering fighting. It's not a stretch to say he was a master, considering he killed Qui-Gon Jin...hell Shadow Hunter declared him a master readily enough when he dismantled Anoon Bondara, one of the top saber fighters of the order

and considering Luke was able to go toe to toe with an experienced Sith Lord and kill a Dark Jedi, Luke was rather formidable by ESB/ROTJ.

Sexy: I want to know where it says Palpatine stopped using lightsabers.
Because there's nothing backing you up there [/B]

Lets see... No Jedi.. Vader and dark side adepts destroying everything in their path+looking for Jedi.. No point in a lightsaber. No lightsaber on him.. Well there we have it Johnson, see if you can work with that.

Not a fan of logic sexy? Shadow Hunter calls him a master and he spent his entire life becoming the perfect weapon.

And like I said: Luke was a formidable opponent with a saber at the very least.

Where's the proof he went around unarmed? You might've said the same about the prequels until he popped a saber out of his sleeve...and Vader and the Dark Side adepts being around is ample reason to carry a saber since the majority of them had designs on replacing him one day.

Oh, and Mara Jade reflects that Palpatine personally taught her saber combat.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Not a fan of logic sexy? Shadow Hunter calls him a master and he spent his entire life becoming the perfect weapon.

Oh, and Mara Jade reflects that Palpatine personally taught her saber combat. [/QUOTE]

Well gee, watching the movies showing him unarmed, oh and by Sidious telling Luke "I AM UNARMED". You're ridiculous lightsnake. His peak with the blade was in TPM. I don't doubt that he trained some people in the lightsaber art, but basic training at best as Mara shows. And that doesn't necesarily mean he trained her with a blade. Hell she could have seen a holocron or whatever. You can't TELL me how he trained her.

Mainly because you have to master several forms before you can even attempt to pick up a double bladed lightsaber-namely Niman.

Right, Palpatine in that ONE INSTANCE when he knew full well what Vader'd do means he went around unarmed all the time in the presence of Jerec and his seven elites? Jerec, who Palpatine didn't trust whatsoever? Maybe Tremayne who Palp knew had ambitions towards the throne?
....And basic training at best? Mara was on par with Vader in sheer saber skills...Mara says Palpatine personally trained her as his hand, that's what he did with his hands. He trained the Jar'Kai wielding Jeng Droga, too. he trained his Hands all personally.

His peak with a saber was at TPM? Bullshit. Prove it. Absence of proof isn't proof of absence, sorry.
And last time I checked, Palpatine's a cruel, lying manipulator. What's next, he just wanted to help Anakin save Padme? He said it, right?

If he had time to do Sith rituals and meet with Dooku, he had time to practice with a saber.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
....And basic training at best? Mara was on par with Vader in sheer saber skills...Mara says Palpatine personally trained her as his hand, that's what he did with his hands. He trained the Jar'Kai wielding Jeng Droga, too. he trained his Hands all personally.

Nice try, vader on par with mara jade, what utter bull shit, already palpatine didnt allow mara jade to fight the dark woman because she is not strong enough, and that was FULLY trained mara jade, sidious made vader do the job

Originally posted by Lightsnake
[B]Mainly because you have to master several forms before you can even attempt to pick up a double bladed lightsaber-namely Niman.

Right, Palpatine in that ONE INSTANCE when he knew full well what Vader'd do means he went around unarmed all the time in the presence of Jerec and his seven elites? Jerec, who Palpatine didn't trust whatsoever? Maybe Tremayne who Palp knew had ambitions towards the throne?
....And basic training at best? Mara was on par with Vader in sheer saber skills...Mara says Palpatine personally trained her as his hand, that's what he did with his hands. He trained the Jar'Kai wielding Jeng Droga, too. he trained his Hands all personally.

His peak with a saber was at TPM? Bullshit. Prove it. Absence of proof isn't proof of absence, sorry.
And last time I checked, Palpatine's a cruel, lying manipulator. What's next, he just wanted to help Anakin save Padme? He said it, right?

Lightsnake, prove that sidious knew the fallanasi ability, your stupid quotes aint good enough. "everything" is not enough, if he had mastered everything then he should have crushed the galaxy, not ramble and talk cock sing song as you are doing now

Originally posted by Kadesh
Lightsnake, prove that sidious knew the fallanasi ability, your stupid quotes aint good enough. "everything" is not enough, if he had mastered everything then he should have crushed the galaxy, not ramble and talk cock sing song as you are doing now

Pipe the **** down dude, this isn't a verbal bashing.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Nice try, vader on par with mara jade, what utter bull shit, already palpatine didnt allow mara jade to fight the dark woman because she is not strong enough, and that was FULLY trained mara jade, sidious made vader do the job

Mara was on par with Vader? LOL.. Prove it. He was unarmed in ROTJ, he did NOT carry around a lightsaber. I highly doubt he even carried one after the birth of the Empire.

Glad you make absolutely no points here.. Let's see. Sidious before or by TPM could move with a saber faster than the eye could see, and after he became chancellor that was that. He didn't pick up a saber in 13 years, and he hid his saber in a statue. Can we say pwned?

Lightsnake, prove that sidious knew the fallanasi ability, your stupid quotes aint good enough. "everything" is not enough, if he had mastered everything then he should have crushed the galaxy, not ramble and talk cock sing song as you are doing now

Think he'd let her refuse giving up her peoples' knowledge?

Originally posted by Lightsnake

LastI checked, he DID crush the galaxy.
And 'Fallanssi' are listed amongst the 'traditions' that Palpatine knew...and once again, Palp had a Fallanassi as his servant.

And no, fallanassi are not listed in the "traditions"
Again one thing remains, he does NOT have nagas amulet which can triiger a super nova in suns, proof? read TOTJ DLOTS they showed his AMULET on his hand clenching into a fist causing a star to explode.

I cant provide a scan BECAUSE swtimeline.ru website is down

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Tell that to the Thrawn Trilogy. I said 'on par' not equal. Vader was stronger, hence him, y'know, being the SITH APPRENTICE.

Think he'd let her refuse giving up her peoples' knowledge?

Um who cares, she can refuse and he'll kill her, doesn't mean she'll teach him anything.

And by the way, even if sidious did force knowledge out of her, it wont do him any good, he cant do a technique by hearing it, Some one has to personally TEACH him to do it, And sidious hates that, he rather study it from a holocron, Fallanasi made no holocron about this technique

Really then? What was that case of sabers in Palp's cloning room? According to the Audibook, those are Palp's personal trophies, 'personal kills of the Emperor.'

And yes, Mara was on par. On par does NOT mean equa. Take it up with Zahn.

And Tasalva sided with the Empire to survive....think giving up knowledge will mean that much? She wanted to survive and live in luxury...she wasn't stupid enough to refuse Palpatine to his face.

Since when was the saber hidden behind the statue for 13 years? Not recalling that.

good point, forgot that one. Enjoy refuting that one LS

Originally posted by Kadesh
And by the way, even if sidious did force knowledge out of her, it wont do him any good, he cant do a technique by hearing it, Some one has to personally TEACH him to do it, And sidious hates that, he rather study it from a holocron, Fallanasi made no holocron about this technique

Palpatine had no qualms studying from the Ancients personally in his early days.

And last I checked, Nomi Sunrider was just told about the wall of light and could do it fine. Since when does Palpatine hate being shown things personally? Thrawn once said like the emperor he had no quams using good ideas just because they weren't his

Refuted already because it's bullshit he made up

Lightsnake, you can't prove your quote so don't use it in a debate. It works for you and only you. It's meaningless to the rest of us who use common sense and logical deduction.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Palpatine had no qualms studying from the Ancients personally in his early days.

And last I checked, Nomi Sunrider was just told about the wall of light and could do it fine. Since when does Palpatine hate being shown things personally? Thrawn once said like the emperor he had no quams using good ideas just because they weren't his

He doesnt mind studying from the ancient because they are the only lords he ever respects. He cares nothing for the fallanasi and would kill them at will,

Originally posted by Kadesh
He doesnt mind studying from the ancient because they are the only lords he ever respects. He cares nothing for the fallanasi and would kill them at will,

The ancients were the only ones who were more powerful than him. They were the ones that taught him everything. Of course he would learn from them every chance he got.

I love how you guys continue to make stuff up...where're you getting this from Kadesh?

And common sense and logical deduction also works to Palp's mastery. And to canon as well, since that's what thosequotes are.

For the record, Palp at his strongest still tops the Ancients. Sorry