Originally posted by Darth Sexy
1. I don't think Palpatine mastered any lightside techniques, as they are absolutely of no use to him.
2. Palpatine couldn't have learned emerald lightning considering he was long dead by the time Luke invented it.
thank you very muchDarth sexy
, That answers it, palpatine DID NOT master lightside techniques and the looping technique is LIGHT SIDE.
Emerald lightning: Upgraded form of Electric Judgement, meaning force lightning in effect. That's it. And last I checked, Palp knew plenty lightside techniques-Morichro, Malacia, among others.
nd Sexy? IT says Palpatine 'mastered the forms of the lightsaber' and Maul reflects on Palp's exceptional mastery. Why wouldn't they be of use to him? He'd have to be prepared for a fight eventually
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Emerald lightning: Upgraded form of Electric Judgement, meaning force lightning in effect. That's it. And last I checked, Palp knew plenty lightside techniques-Morichro, Malacia, among others.
O great, sad to say luke INVENTED green lightning, plo koon was also a master of electric judgement, did it turn green? no, And even DESB can prove that he did not master the fallanassi technique
Ok, proof?
Insider and DESB state he masted everything. 'All known, unknown and forgotten."
That includes Fallnassi.
From Insider? "He had mastered the Great power in all its forms and all its levels. ."
We know several Fallanassi sold out to the Empire, so that accounts for that.
Proof Luke invented Emerald Lightning please? It's an upgraded form of Electric Judgement and in Traitor and Star by Star, Jacen and Jaina use Green Colored lightning.
To quote on EJ: It showed up as yellow or green energy instead of blue or white; appearance-wise it was like the dark side power Force lightning. An example of it being used for instance, Plo Koon would shoot lightning from his fingertips to wound enemies. A possible reason for this not being a widely used power is because of its similarities to the dark side power causing a moral issue among Jedi.
Luke's is so powerful because Luke is so powerful. The 'green sparks' were an upgraded form of Luke's signature Electric Judgement attack. Luke is just so powerful, he can kill someone with it instantly.
The info about the Electric Judgement is in The NEw Essential Guide to Characters.
Pwned indeed, friend.
Originally posted by Lightsnakewrong, fallanasi was written AFTER de
Ok, proof?Insider and DESB state he masted everything. 'All known, unknown and forgotten."
That includes Fallnassi.
Originally posted by LightsnakeWrong try again, That quote could not be referring to lightside techniques, prove that it is
From Insider? "He had mastered the Great power in all its forms and all its levels. ."
We know several Fallanassi sold out to the Empire, so that accounts for that.
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Originally posted by LightsnakeYea ok, but plo koon was a master too right? did it turn green and powerful? no, and jaina learnt it from lukeProof Luke invented Emerald Lightning please? It's an upgraded form of Electric Judgement and in Traitor and Star by Star, Jacen and Jaina use Green Colored lightning.
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Originally posted by LightsnakeNod, but nothing states that plo has emrald lightning nor does palpatine *yawn* try again
can kill someone with it instantly.The info about the Electric Judgement is in The NEw Essential Guide to Characters.
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I know you are lieing because you are a liar
Originally posted by Kadesh
wrong, fallanasi was written AFTER deWrong try again, That quote could not be referring to lightside techniques, prove that it is
Yea ok, but plo koon was a master too right? did it turn green and powerful? no, and jaina learnt it from luke
Nod, but nothing states that plo has emrald lightning nor does palpatine *yawn* try again
I know you are lieing because you are a liar
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Ok, proof?Insider and DESB state he masted everything. 'All known, unknown and forgotten."
That includes Fallnassi.From Insider? "He had mastered the Great power in all its forms and all its levels. ."
We know several Fallanassi sold out to the Empire, so that accounts for that.
Except for the fact that you're basing your argument on pure speculation.
Proof Luke invented Emerald Lightning please? It's an upgraded form of Electric Judgement and in Traitor and Star by Star, Jacen and Jaina use Green Colored lightning.
Luke's is so powerful because Luke is so powerful. The 'green sparks' were an upgraded form of Luke's signature Electric Judgement attack. Luke is just so powerful, he can kill someone with it instantly.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Sure. 'All known, unknown and forgotten.'
And we see him use lightside techniques, and taught them to Luke- Morichro, Malacia, Battle Meditation,,,
Originally posted by LightsnakeWrong, so i could say that kreias quote is 100% true right? its still canon, As i said, DESB is a major debate, Fallanasi traitors? there would be a reason why they betray their people
And Jaina learned it from Luke? Prove it. Oh, btw: Did you miss what the passage said, from the NegtC? Green OR YELLOW.
And Jaina simply lashed out, no mention of her knowing the technique.
And The Black FLeet Crisis being written after means nothing. The continuity fits. DESB is still canon.
Sorry.
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Originally posted by KadeshUsing Game stats? Tsk tsk tsk, those are N-canon. Storywise, he knew everything.
O great, you pulled that one outta your ass, battle meditation? yes he has that, he demonstrated it in ROTJ, and which other ls technique has he demonstrated? And again i have read DESB, it mentioned the list of powers he had, *checks to find looping technique* nope didnt see it, Did see alot of DS powers, not many Ls powers, try again
Tsk tsk tsk
Wrong, so i could say that kreias quote is 100% true right? its still canon, As i said, DESB is a major debate, Fallanasi traitors? there would be a reason why they betray their people
1) they could have been cut of the force
2) sidious wouldnt know what the hell is that technique is for
3) if he doesnt know what its for he wont give a damm about it, sidious is a killer, not a defender, he will sought to kill his enemies with dark side techniques, never once has he shown us that he defended against another dark sider, try again
See, unlike you, I've READ the Black Fleet Crisis with Tasalva, AKA, the Fallanasi traitor who double crossed her people for personal game and gave Palpatine knowledge of the Fallanasi and their abilities.
No debate, just you refusing to accept the truth.
Oh, the DESB: Out of universe authority
KReia: Fallible in universe source who never met Palpatine.
Oh, and Palpatine was an all purposes fighter. He was smart that way.
And to my knowledge, we've never seen Palpatine fight a Dark Sider, what's your point?
Done in by your lack of ability to crack open a book, hm?
Originally posted by Lightsnaketsk tsk tsk, Again the black fleet trilogy happened in 16 ABY, idiot, and pull out the exact quote that she taught palpatine the looping technique.
Using Game stats? Tsk tsk tsk, those are N-canon. Storywise, he knew everything.
Which includes the looping. Oh, and Insider stated he knew everything. And that's quite a few years after the Black Fleet Crisi trilogy.See, unlike you, I've READ the Black Fleet Crisis with Tasalva, AKA, the Fallanasi traitor who double crossed her people for personal game and gave Palpatine knowledge of the Fallanasi and their abilities.
And the visual guide only stated he learnt holocrons to become stronger, it never stated he mastered every technique. For instance, plagueis power(if it exists)
Why would the in universe date MATTER? Tasalvah betrayed the Fallanassi nearly twenty years before the book starts! Akanah was a baby when it happened and she's around Luke's age! Do the math!
And once again: Insider states he mastered every level and power of the force in all its forms and guises.
K? The Force. Not the Darkside. Not the lightside. The Force.
And when it gives EXAMPLES of powers, it says "In all its powers and traditions, from the Sith Lords, to the Jedi Masters, to the Monks of Palawa, to the Nightsisters of Dathomir, to the warriors of Bundukai," And quite a few more and then gives examples of the powers, including Doppleganger, Quey'tek, Mechu-Deru, Morichro, Malacia, 'And Countless More.'
A bit disjointed as I don't have it in front of me, but that should be enough.
Especially as it specifies.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Why would the in universe date MATTER? Tasalvah betrayed the Fallanassi nearly twenty years before the book starts! Akanah was a baby when it happened and she's around Luke's age! Do the math!And once again: Insider states he mastered every level and power of the force in all its forms and guises.
K? The Force. Not the Darkside. Not the lightside. The Force.
And when it gives EXAMPLES of powers, it says "In all its powers and traditions, from the Sith Lords, to the Jedi Masters, to the Monks of Palawa, to the Nightsisters of Dathomir, to the warriors of Bundukai," And quite a few more and then gives examples of the powers, including Doppleganger, Quey'tek, Mechu-Deru, Morichro, Malacia, 'And Countless More.'A bit disjointed as I don't have it in front of me, but that should be enough.
Especially as it specifies.
No lightsnake.. "Everything" is not enough. As I've just shown you, he coudn't have mastered jar'kai and the double bladed saber because he didn't need to. Obviously he didn't master EVERY form because he didn't master Vaapad. So your quote has so many flaws in it, it's a wonder you're still using it as your argument.
I didn't just put everything, did I? I elaborated.
And he might not have preferred to use the single blade? Kas'im was better with the Jar'Kai but used the DBL...Maul mastered the single blade but always used a DBL when he could. Hell, Mace was an expert Jar'Kai fighter.
Vaapad is nothing but a variation to channel one's inner darkness. Quinlan Vos learned it rather quickly thanks to Bulq and it's a variation of Form VII, which Palpatine certainly knew.
Amazing how you ignore the rest of the quote, simply amazing
Originally posted by Lightsnake
I didn't just put everything, did I? I elaborated.And he might not have preferred to use the single blade? Kas'im was better with the Jar'Kai but used the DBL...Maul mastered the single blade but always used a DBL when he could. Hell, Mace was an expert Jar'Kai fighter.
Vaapad is nothing but a variation to channel one's inner darkness. Quinlan Vos learned it rather quickly thanks to Bulq and it's a variation of Form VII, which Palpatine certainly knew.
Amazing how you ignore the rest of the quote, simply amazing
prove Mace was a jar'kai expert.
prove maul mastered the single blade.
now after you get done proving those points, or rather not, you can explain to me what it has to do with anything in this thread.
Sure:
Mace displays mastery of Jar'Kai on Haruun Kal and reflects he and Depa are both declared masters of the dual-bladed style.
Prove Maul mastered the Single Blade? Ok, we see him taking on Obi-wan with one and butchering an entire cadre of Black Sun troops with it.
It means your point about him not learning them because he wouldn't need them is ridiculous. A good fighter and thinker prepares himself.
And there's still Gillard to consider
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Prove Maul mastered the Single Blade? Ok, we see him taking on Obi-wan with one and butchering an entire cadre of Black Sun troops with it.
It means your point about him not learning them because he wouldn't need them is ridiculous. A good fighter and thinker prepares himself.
And there's still Gillard to consider [/B]
....Maul spent his whole life fighting and mastering fighting. It's not a stretch to say he was a master, considering he killed Qui-Gon Jin...hell Shadow Hunter declared him a master readily enough when he dismantled Anoon Bondara, one of the top saber fighters of the order
and considering Luke was able to go toe to toe with an experienced Sith Lord and kill a Dark Jedi, Luke was rather formidable by ESB/ROTJ.
Sexy: I want to know where it says Palpatine stopped using lightsabers.
Because there's nothing backing you up there