Originally posted by debbiejo
I am against it, yes.......but if they want to then so be it...A few years of draft would surly grow a boy into a man.....Besides uniforms are quite sexy!!
I love woman who think like this... All completely equal, just not allowed to fight... Emancipation at it's finest.
Originally posted by FishyI don't believe women are equal in all areas, but if some want to experience this ...........let them.......I'm only talking about the draft.......
I love woman who think like this... All completely equal, just not allowed to fight... Emancipation at it's finest.
War is hard, it is evil and cruel and if some women want to experience it...Hell let them.......Otherwise it is best left to the sex that is stronger in this area.
Originally posted by debbiejo
I don't believe women are equal in all areas, but if some want to experience this ...........let them.......I'm only talking about the draft.......War is hard, it is evil and cruel and if some women want to experience it...Hell let them.......Otherwise it is best left to the sex that is stronger in this area.
Which is bullshit there are plenty of woman in the military that preform equal or better then the man and there are those that don't. Man are physically stronger on average, but there are plenty of other things woman could do in the army. And if you think one sex should be drafted both should be drafted. There are a lot of man out there who are to physically weak to go into a warzone.
If you really don't want weak to go to fight make sure that everybody that's drafted is strong enough to pass a test or something but don't make it about sex. That's just unfair.
Naturally men are much more stronger with larger muscles and they have some advantages over women in some strategies....Most men are very good at this skill..........There are women that are like such also........but in the past it was the men for a reason...........
Why? You afraid to be drafted? Makes a man out you ya know.........god, it's only like 3 years...and who's to say you would be in a war...........It's just basic training.
in the case of Europe
Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms
as amended by Protocol No. 11
Article 4 – Prohibition of slavery and forced labour
# For the purpose of this article the term "forced or compulsory labour" shall not include:
any service of a military character or, in case of conscientious objectors in countries where they are recognised, service exacted instead of compulsory military service;
this is a modified version of the universal declaration of human rights that is inforce throughout the world (supposedly)
you can try and get off on the grounds of concscientious objector but it has to be on certain grounds
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Draft dodgers are cowards.
And alive.
Anyways, I'm against the draft, the only way I can see it necessary or acceptable is in incredibly dire circumstance where if we don't have one, the country will be taken over or something else truly horrendous will happen. I agree with Ush there.
Though I think as it is, the draft blatantly goes against what America stands for and violates the basic rights of the citizens of this country. "Life, Liberty, and the Persuit of Happiness" all get taken away when you force someone to go and die and should not be brought back unless it is an end of the world/country scenario, definately not for Iraq.
So if there was a draft, I'd be ****ed because I'm prime in the age bracket, I'd probably go to Canada or Europe or something. I certainly wouldn't fight. Cowardly? Yeah sure, don't really care about words when it comes to me being dead or alive. I'll gladly take the role of a coward, at least I won't be dead.
But no worries, a draft won't happen. That's one of the few things Bush has said in a straight forward manner, he may be dumb, but I don't think he's that void of reasoning to reinstitute teh draft for something like the skirmish in Iraq.
See I disagree. I think its clear that as a citizen, you have responsibilities. If I were drafted, I would go. I'd hope that I'd get a non-combat position, but life deals bad hands somtimes.
I think every citizen should have at least a non-combat role in the military for a portion of your life. I think citizenship should be dependant upon that.
As a veteran of the United States Army Airborne Infantry, I'll be the first to say that I'm against a draft. I've done my 5 years, and all I have to show for it is a scar on my neck and a speech impediment. If the shit were to really, really hit the fan, like WWIII erupted, I would see the reason to initiate a draft so we can protect our homeland. However, If Bush were to draft people to go over to Iraq and participate in this little "personal war" of his, I'd probably become a dodger.
People can say what they will, but I won't call any man, or woman, a coward if they were to dodge the draft. Some people are made to fight in war, some arent. But those people will be alive and will have stood up for what they believed in.
Oath:
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
Originally posted by BackFire
Our responsibilities is to pay taxes, not risk our life for a cause we don't agree with.
No. The presevation of the Union is the most sacred duty of the citizens of the US. This isn't a club where you pay to join.
I think most wars are faught for the wrong reasons (yes, even WWII where we only declared war on Japan and didn't give a sh*t about the Holocoust until years after the war). But really, when it comes down to it, its not your decision.
I think forcing civilians into combat roles, especially for a foreign invasion is wrong and gives low yeilds, but if its necessary for the survival of the nation, you can't argue it.
I don't think Iraq is a critical battle in the US's history. But as many have said, a draft is not going to be instated.
Originally posted by Alliance
No. The presevation of the Union is the most sacred duty of the citizens of the US. This isn't a club where you pay to join.I think most wars are faught for the wrong reasons (yes, even WWII where we only declared war on Japan and didn't give a sh*t about the Holocoust until years after the war). But really, when it comes down to it, its not your decision.
I think forcing civilians into combat roles, especially for a foreign invasion is wrong and gives low yeilds, but if its necessary for the survival of the nation, you can't argue it.
I don't think Iraq is a critical battle in the US's history. But as many have said, a draft is not going to be instated.
And what right do they have to tell me to go and die for something? That directly goes against the fundamental rights that this country is founded on. Like I said, if it's absolutely necessary, like a WWII type thing, then that's where an exception can be made and accepted, but as a whole the draft is counterproductive and cruel.
Originally posted by ThePittman
[b]Oath:"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God." [/B]
Amen.