Wolverine's Foes versus Spiderman's Foes

Originally posted by Metalmanx
That's exactly what I'm questioning. I mean, the symbiote for one, is an alien species that doesn't react the same way to things the way regular humans do. Two, it's highly durable.

There's a scan somewhere on KMC (I just don't remember where it is) where Venom is hit with some really high-grade poison and he just regurgates it like it's nothing. Not saying it will be exactly that way, but I feel it's safe to assume that poisons/pheremones/etc., won't have any effect on him.

Even if Eddie was to die, the symbiote would crawl onto someone else. 😄

Originally posted by jmcnasty
the only threat that i see if gg because venom havent accomplished nothing to prove to me that he can beat any of these fighters except maybe silver samarai. Wolverine has owned venom and proved many of times to be to fast for venom, like I said before black bolts wife with the hair almost killed venom, juggernaut SLAUGHTERED venom, hulk slaughter venom, whereas wolverine hold his own against hulk and made juggernaut run off one time, bone clawed wolverine held his own against venom. Lizard is out of the picture, I think that silver samarai can take him, his blade can cut through anything. Doc ock, he a regular human, one slice from any of them. rhino I think that adamantium can easily cut threw him - he goes down easily and hard and with sabertooth ferocity and never giving up attitude and forever pumping healing factor that is combined with adamantium bones and over 100 years of fighting skill under his belt he would take venom. The only villian on the roster on spiderman side that have actually done something for himself was carnage and now he's a nobody. I seen the police take him down with a barrage of bullets. You all are giving spiderman villians too much credit.

And you have no idea what you are talking about.
Please name issue where Wolverine "owned" Venom. They fought before and it was clear that Wolverine's claws were useless against Venom. As for speed, Venom is much faster than Wolverine. Looking at their past fights, c'mone Wolverine even got owned by Venom's clone with old fat woman as the host. Eddie would murder him. Fight with Juggernaut? You haven't read all books, have you? There were 3 fights, in the first fight Venom took dozen punches from Juggernaut and was laughing at him untill the moment Juggs punched him into toxins. In two latest fights Venom was knocking Juggernaut all over the place. Hulk had to thunderclap him to win the fight. Lizard is almost as fast as Spider-man and stronger than him. Doc Ock can rip off Sabs skeleton off with his arms. And Rhino... well, is Rhino. Anyway, Spider-man villains win this.

Pretty much agreeing with Sam here.
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Someone said Venom was once taken out by BP's wife.. Well, this is a game for 2.. Sabretooth was easily Koed by Northstar, Omega Red wasn't doing that well against a powerless Cable, Wolverine Koed bya a bullet from a handgun... These are called lowshowings and high showings. Some characters have more low showing and some more high showings.

Besides, AFAIK the Venom clone wasn't trying to kill Wolverine. It was trying to take control of him.

Originally posted by Sam Z
And you have no idea what you are talking about.
Please name issue where Wolverine "owned" Venom. They fought before and it was clear that Wolverine's claws were useless against Venom. As for speed, Venom is much faster than Wolverine. Looking at their past fights, c'mone Wolverine even got owned by Venom's clone with old fat woman as the host. Eddie would murder him. Fight with Juggernaut? You haven't read all books, have you? There were 3 fights, in the first fight Venom took dozen punches from Juggernaut and was laughing at him untill the moment Juggs punched him into toxins. In two latest fights Venom was knocking Juggernaut all over the place. Hulk had to thunderclap him to win the fight. Lizard is almost as fast as Spider-man and stronger than him. Doc Ock can rip off Sabs skeleton off with his arms. And Rhino... well, is Rhino. Anyway, Spider-man villains win this.

I never said anyine is ging to take Venom Solo but can stalemate him like Wolverine was able to do.

PS your Juggernaut incident is a little off. You see he destroys Venom. Venom is laughing everything off but in the later epiodes it does say he was almost killed and the toxins saved him.

Ths same Toxins increased his power and when he like you said all he did was through Juggernaut around a little bit. He never actually hurt Cain and nothing showed us he could. Besides he doesn't have the Madness Toxins making him stronger in this fight.

Next Lizard is fast but he isn't that fast how do you think Spiderman survives fights with him. He is always a step behind Spideman. Lizard also relies on his tail to be his main weapon but once again anyone on this team could cut it off easily as well. Then go in and cut his head off.

Doc Ock tentacles can be cut off with ease by anyone here and after all one good throwing knife to the head and he is down.

Rhino I've already said why Rhino dies

Basically besides Venom and possibly GG everyone on the other team aren't that good at dodging there main weapns can be cut off easily because they aren't that strong. And one good hit kills them and even a decent hit takes them out of the fight pretty much.

While the other team can take quite a few hits before going down. Venom isn't down right owning anyone here. He would win one on one against anyone here but he isn't destroying them. Anyone here with the exception of Sliver Samuri can hold him off because of HFs or just incredibly tough Armor

i think you guys are really sleeping hard on the lizard and doc ock neither one of them will go down as easy as you try to make it sound lizard is a beast (in more ways than one) plus he doesnt have to physiclly hurt them to beat them that tail has more than one use he can simply choke out an oppnent with it healing factor wont count for squat then same can be said of doc ock and while the wolverine team does possess the ability to cut the arms nobody there is fast enought to dodge all 4 arms at once they will get caught and either thrown or choked out

Originally posted by Newjak
Where to start.

I never said anyine is ging to take Venom Solo but can stalemate him like Wolverine was able to do.

PS your Juggernaut incident is a little off. You see he destroys Venom. Venom is laughing everything off but in the later epiodes it does say he was almost killed and the toxins saved him.

Ths same Toxins increased his power and when he like you said all he did was through Juggernaut around a little bit. He never actually hurt Cain and nothing showed us he could. Besides he doesn't have the Madness Toxins making him stronger in this fight.

Next Lizard is fast but he isn't that fast how do you think Spiderman survives fights with him. He is always a step behind Spideman. Lizard also relies on his tail to be his main weapon but once again anyone on this team could cut it off easily as well. Then go in and cut his head off.

Doc Ock tentacles can be cut off with ease by anyone here and after all one good throwing knife to the head and he is down.

Rhino I've already said why Rhino dies

Basically besides Venom and possibly GG everyone on the other team aren't that good at dodging there main weapns can be cut off easily because they aren't that strong. And one good hit kills them and even a decent hit takes them out of the fight pretty much.

While the other team can take quite a few hits before going down. Venom isn't down right owning anyone here. He would win one on one against anyone here but he isn't destroying them. Anyone here with the exception of Sliver Samuri can hold him off because of HFs or just incredibly tough Armor

Venom can do this on his own. He could force a symbiotic tendril down their throats and a few more to restrain their arms and such (he's easily capable of doing this). So, while they're unable to move, they're also suffocating. 😐

Aren't Doc Ock's tentacles adamantium now? Or am I off on something?

And Lizard IS FASTER than Spider-Man. Spider-Man's spider-sense is what keeps him ahead of the Lizard. And if they cut off his tail, it'll grow back in no time, even during the duration of the fight.

Originally posted by capt it up
omega red wins the match for team 2

The DEER would make minced-meat out of the Spidey-Squad.

Originally posted by Zahit
The DEER would make minced-meat out of the Spidey-Squad.

you say tom-a-to, i say to-ma-to
you say wolverine pawns venom, i say deer clobbered wolverine
tom-a-to, to-ma-to
wol-ver-ine, de-er....
serenade

No one on the spiderman league can handle Omega red powers, they might be able to take getting slapped around by his tentacles but if he use his actual powers, the team will fall. I have never seen venom own wolverine, their battle always end in a stalemate, neither have a way of beating the other. Cyber, noone on venom team except maybe gg if he have gas bombs can take him out because everything they have is physical and he's basically invulnerable. I dont think that anyone on the team can handle the poison that cyber injects in you when you scratched by his claws.

Like is said before theres noone on the spiderman team that have accomplished nothing to prove to me that they can beat the wolverine squad. When I see someone go after anyone that is associated with spiderman squad to take help take over the world, like the gorgon used wolverine as a weapon or apocalypse used wolverine and sabertooth as a weapon or the weapon x use you to try and take over world. I have never seen anyone go after any of spiderman villians or spiderman himself to accomplish anything because they spiderman dont have the kind of power that could accomplish anything on that level or the lizard or doc ock or even venom (can easily take him down, fire). Whereas almost everyone on wolverine squad has been used as a weapon. Hope you all get my point.

Im not saying that the spiderman squad sucks but theyre not on the wolverine squad level. In order to knock anyone completely out on the wolverine squad, you would need hulk strength, which noone on the spiderman squad has. Sabertooth have taken punches from wendigo, rogue, colossus etc.... and got right back up with a smile on his face. Now this was before the adamantium process, its no telling what he can take now. I can say the same for lady deathstrike. I have witnessed her almost take down the gray hulk (when the fantastic four consist of wolverine, hulk, spiderman, and ghost rider) until wolverine had to come save him. She could easily take down the lizard, she's just as fast. Omega red, he's the powerhouse on the team; he's very durable, have great hand to hand skills and have a healing factor and have death spores that weakens you and could also kill you, so I think that he can take anyone down on the spiderman list. Silver samarai is the weak link but I dont count him out. He do carry two swords that can cut through anything and theyre long enough to cut you in half. He's agile, a great fighter, ( I think you should give him his teleporting ring) and have armor on. I think he could take rhino or even doc ock (could cut his arms off). Wolverine squad wins this due to fighting experience (some of the best fighters in marvel) and durability (can take punches from the hulk and dust it off) and being great tacticians.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
No one on the spiderman league can handle Omega red powers, they might be able to take getting slapped around by his tentacles but if he use his actual powers, the team will fall.

Venom has shown the capabilities to be immune to death spore-type things.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
Cyber, noone on venom team except maybe gg if he have gas bombs can take him out because everything they have is physical and he's basically invulnerable. I dont think that anyone on the team can handle the poison that cyber injects in you when you scratched by his claws.

You arguments are a slight bit nonsensical, friend. 😬.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
No one on the spiderman league can handle Omega red powers, they might be able to take getting slapped around by his tentacles but if he use his actual powers, the team will fall. I have never seen venom own wolverine, their battle always end in a stalemate, neither have a way of beating the other. Cyber, noone on venom team except maybe gg if he have gas bombs can take him out because everything they have is physical and he's basically invulnerable. I dont think that anyone on the team can handle the poison that cyber injects in you when you scratched by his claws.

Like is said before theres noone on the spiderman team that have accomplished nothing to prove to me that they can beat the wolverine squad. When I see someone go after anyone that is associated with spiderman squad to take help take over the world, like the gorgon used wolverine as a weapon or apocalypse used wolverine and sabertooth as a weapon or the weapon x use you to try and take over world. I have never seen anyone go after any of spiderman villians or spiderman himself to accomplish anything because they spiderman dont have the kind of power that could accomplish anything on that level or the lizard or doc ock or even venom (can easily take him down, fire). Whereas almost everyone on wolverine squad has been used as a weapon. Hope you all get my point.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
Im not saying that the spiderman squad sucks but theyre not on the wolverine squad level. In order to knock anyone completely out on the wolverine squad, you would need hulk strength, which noone on the spiderman squad has. Sabertooth have taken punches from wendigo, rogue, colossus etc.... and got right back up with a smile on his face. Now this was before the adamantium process, its no telling what he can take now. I can say the same for lady deathstrike. I have witnessed her almost take down the gray hulk (when the fantastic four consist of wolverine, hulk, spiderman, and ghost rider) until wolverine had to come save him. She could easily take down the lizard, she's just as fast. Omega red, he's the powerhouse on the team; he's very durable, have great hand to hand skills and have a healing factor and have death spores that weakens you and could also kill you, so I think that he can take anyone down on the spiderman list. Silver samarai is the weak link but I dont count him out. He do carry two swords that can cut through anything and theyre long enough to cut you in half. He's agile, a great fighter, ( I think you should give him his teleporting ring) and have armor on. I think he could take rhino or even doc ock (could cut his arms off). Wolverine squad wins this due to fighting experience (some of the best fighters in marvel) and durability (can take punches from the hulk and dust it off) and being great tacticians.

"not on their level" last time i check there were all on the same threat level most people done even consider omega red to be that much of a bigger threat than any villian listed here it just seems people want to belive skilled fighters with a good defence are bigger threats than people with city wreking power which isnt the case

Originally posted by jmcnasty

Now tell me please, how is knocking Juggernaut around isn't impressive? Venom HAS ways to take Wolverine down without much efforts, like effecting his brains with tendrils or ripping his skeleton off. He's faster and MUCH stronger, and everytime they fight Venom laughs at all Wolverine attacks. Wolverine couldn't even beat the clone with old lady as the host. Doc Ock's arms will be cut? Oh please. He took on Sinister six, Spider-man and Hulk at the same time with those arms but Sabertooth would beat him, yeah right. Actually almost every member of Spider villains team outclass Wolverine villains and the only character they'd have problems with is Omega Red but he's getting down too. Spider-man was usually defeating Lizard by turning him back into Connors and was able to fight him because of his superior agility, reflexes and Spider-sense. Green Goblin can just fly aroung throwing bombs everywhere. In the end Spider villains would win.

Sabretooth and Wolverine's healing factors don't even grant immunity to Arcady's pheromones and death factor but you think Venom's alien physiology will? Wishfull thinking.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Sabretooth and Wolverine's healing factors don't even grant immunity to Arcady's pheromones and death factor but you think Venom's alien physiology will? Wishfull thinking.

There isn't much evidence to the contrary, 😬.

It's pretty much up for grabs, and up to the individual whether they think Venom would be immune to Omega Red's pheromones or not.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Sabretooth and Wolverine's healing factors don't even grant immunity to Arcady's pheromones and death factor but you think Venom's alien physiology will? Wishfull thinking.