aquantiences than friends??

also:
If you were in LOVE with someone this scene would have been different

( Jack, Norrie and liz find the chest and suddnley Will appears
Liz runs over and they embrace, he explains hoe Jack had gotten him captured by davy Jones, but thanks him fir it or else he would have never met his father.
Notice Liz never commented on Will meeting his father, she knew how important Will's father was to him, she only turned at snapped at Jack, everything you said to me was a lie

Its just weird to me how the man she sopposidly loved just met his father, a goal hes had all his life that liz KNOWS about, and she blows that off like she dosent even care
only to turn around to snapp and acccuse him of lying to her

Strange sceen for Will and liz if they were soppsed to be in love
IMO

Originally posted by shannstar79
also:
If you were in LOVE with someone this scene would have been different

( Jack, Norrie and liz find the chest and suddnley Will appears
Liz runs over and they embrace, he explains hoe Jack had gotten him captured by davy Jones, but thanks him fir it or else he would have never met his father.
Notice Liz never commented on Will meeting his father, she knew how important Will's father was to him, she only turned at snapped at Jack, everything you said to me was a lie

Its just weird to me how the man she sopposidly loved just met his father, a goal hes had all his life that liz KNOWS about, and she blows that off like she dosent even care
only to turn around to snapp and acccuse him of lying to her

Strange sceen for Will and liz if they were soppsed to be in love
IMO

I agree...she was more upset with Jack "lying" to her than excited that Will got to meet his father....and.....still...as we have said many times...why does she climb those stairs and hang on to Jack's leg...instead of running over to grab and comfort Will as he falls....to me, if T & T want me to think it's Will and Elizabeth...then they should have had her run over and see Will and he and her watch the cargo net explode together....not clinging to Jack's leg...who by the way...as Lovely as said...camera angle....they have just shown Jack in that hero worship shot....her gazing up at him and Jack surrounded by a halo of light.....

Fate Intervenes means something...they wouldn't just randomnly have Beckett say that....

It's a curious thing....they wouldn't just have Norrington say that for no reason...

Camera Angle....it emphasis Jack when Liz holds the compass...and yes he's always in a pose...because it's to draw attention...to let the audience know..."Look it's pointing to Jack, get it?"

Surreal Wil and Liz ended up together physically in DMc. Not emotionaly. They both disconnected emotionally-a loooong time ago. Will stil wants his father and Liz still wants Jack.

Whats all that crap Tia said Will has a destiny? Its not some kind of fancy line, it meant something. Anybody cannot just stab Davy, there are consecuences to it and that person has to have a good reason in doing so. Wills reason was to free his father and beat EITC. Thats his destiny.

Jack sparrow is our main character. You can choose whoever for ur fav but our main character POTC main character is Jack. Jack cannot just end up with whores, that will totaly hurt the character and the plot. Jack wants the girl, the fans want him to get the girl. DMC did not ended with Will/Liz, they were together physcally but not emotionally.

a bit off-topicness from me again (though I have to agree first with what chiki, shanstar and lovethemtigers said...100% agree)

about the whole jack/will friendship(sounds really tacky when you put slashes between their names but still you know what I mean) on wordplayer.com someone had posted something about will and jack betraying each other and how a love triangle just complicates things and messes the movie up.

terry replied said and I quote:"1. There is no triangle, unless you are referring to the thing Elizabeth wanted most at one point being the chest, and at another point being Jack.

2. At no time did Jack was wibbling about Elizabeth, or vice-versa.

3. If you think Jack using Will as leverage to serve his own interests, or Will taking action against Jack to save a loved one, is a perversion of their relationship in the first movie, then that's what you think.

4. Jack was never enamored of his ship; he was and is enamored of what his ship represents: freedom. And, of course, as it turned out the very thing he wanted so much he was willing to make a deal with the devil to get, has come to represent either a hundred years of servitude (and eventual loss of identity) or death.

Why, it's almost as if Jack claimed the thing he wanted most in the world at the eventual cost of his own freedom. Hm ... I wonder if that idea might be relevant to some other part of the movie? Reflected, refracted and explored throughout the movie, even? Demonstrated in action and dialogue, or even overtly referenced at points?

5. Your suggestion that the story requires a Will/Jack pairing to resolve the triangle presumes there is a triangle to be resolved. "

I know someone already posted a link to this one but numbers 3 and 4 really got my attention cause terry gives us the idea that will and jack were just doing what they had to and not ruining their relationship.

I couldn't makeout what the whole "Why, it's almost as if Jack claimed the thing he wanted most in the world at the eventual cost of his own freedom. Hm ... I wonder if that idea might be relevant to some other part of the movie? Reflected, refracted and explored throughout the movie, even? Demonstrated in action and dialogue, or even overtly referenced at points? " meant. which actions do u think he meant?

BTW WHAT DID "there's no love triangle to be resoleved." MEAN? he said " There is no triangle, unless you are referring to the thing Elizabeth wanted most at one point being the chest, and at another point being Jack." was that what it was? just liz wanting jack at some point? or does it mean the love triangle is actually between lizzie/jack/chest?LOL

anyways sorry for rambling on but I'm really confused what did he mean by this?

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and since I already rambled on so long may I add one more thing from wordplayer:
Hey Ted! 🙂

I really do have to say that you have made some very interesting points; thank you so much for such wonderful insight!

I feel very terrible for bothering you about this, but reading your statements has brought up one very big issue in my mind; it seems to me as if your #1, #2, and #5 statements , the way that I see them, are almost meant to say that there was never really anything between Jack and Elizabeth to begin with, which really breaks my heart, come to think of it; I would absolutely hate to see the Captain`s heart broken in the end, and according to KTTC, nearly 85% of the voters in a poll, including me (at least, when I last checked it) are truly hoping that there may yet be a chance that he will "get the girl"

On the other hand, however, I would be eternally, incredibly greatful to (please!) know whether or not, if it would be at all within your means to say, what you said in #5 was meant to reference the Pearl itself entirely, of if there was also something (or someone) else included there...

here's how he answered:
A triangle is a type of dilemma: Character A must choose between a relationship with Character B or a relationship with Character C.

Do you think DMC ended without Elizabeth making that choice?

this could be a good thing or a bad thing...depends on wether we look at the surface of things(lizzie leaves jack to get rid of the temptation forever and safe will/herself/the crew and live happily everafter) or deep into things(lzzie chooses to get a taste of what it's like and then she feels so heartbroken she can't concentrate on will she has to get the capt'n back)

The love triangle...I dont think there ever was a love triangle. I think it already got resolved in DMC. Its obvious Liz loves Jack, its just she has will to take care of. Like I said, Will/liz ended up together physcally not emotionally. Elizabeth still wants Jack.

thank go there are ppl here who think like me..on worplayer everone was like "yeah totally, then liz/will ended up together" but I think since ted couldn't just TELL them that he had to hint it cause by the end of DMC, if he means the very END of it it's pretty clear that liz wants jack back.

I hate people that try to be clever just by saying open ended things. Grr. Here is what I think they're saying, making sure you can interpret it as Will/Liz or Jack/Liz.

"1. There is no triangle, unless you are referring to the thing Elizabeth wanted most at one point being the chest, and at another point being Jack."
Will: There is no triangle because Liz's attraction to Jack was fleeting
Jack: There is no triangle because Liz has made the choice to have Jack

"2. At no time did Jack was wibbling about Elizabeth, or vice-versa."
Wibbling? Is that supposed to be like pining/desiring? Jeez, and that came from a writer.
Will: Jack and Liz don't really mention each other all that much or act all that lovey-dovey around each other, reason being Liz loves Will and Jack only sees her as a friend
Jack: Not everyone in love "wibbles," and it's a more genuine, realistic love when two adults don't wear their emotions on their sleeve but prefer to think it through (or immaturely deny it)

"3. If you think Jack using Will as leverage to serve his own interests, or Will taking action against Jack to save a loved one, is a perversion of their relationship in the first movie, then that's what you think."
Will: Jack and Will aren't really friends in the true sense of the word
Jack: Jack and Will aren't really friends in the true sense of the word

"4. Jack was never enamored of his ship; he was and is enamored of what his ship represents: freedom. And, of course, as it turned out the very thing he wanted so much he was willing to make a deal with the devil to get, has come to represent either a hundred years of servitude (and eventual loss of identity) or death."
Will: A guy that is willing to do this cares way too much about freedom to commit to anyone, especially someone as challenging as Liz.
Jack: That was what he wanted most at the time, but subtle hints and interpretations lead one to believe his values are changing.

"5. Your suggestion that the story requires a Will/Jack pairing to resolve the triangle presumes there is a triangle to be resolved. "
Will: First of all, Will is so not gay even if Orlando is, and second, Will loving two people would not resolve any love triangle but would result in an awkward threesome no fan wants to see.
Jack: First of all, Jack is not gay even though he wears eyeliner, and second, Jack loving two people does not resolve a love triangle but would make Will and Liz compete for his affection.

See? All open-ended and you can't take these quotes and put spins on them. They aren't meant to do that. They're meant to confuse and be open to interpretation because it circulates rumors and rumors provide great publicity.

can I get a AMEN
GREAT POST !!!

amen praise the Lord

We shuold publish a Jack/Liz Bible lol

Thou shalt not listen to T&T and instead go into thy own little world and make Jack and Lizzie do whatever you want them to do.

THANK U feel a load better now

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Thou shalt not listen to T&T and instead go into thy own little world and make Jack and Lizzie do whatever you want them to do.

thats what I do !!
everyday when I am writing in the POTC7 thread 🙂

willofthewisp I think wibbling means "nonsense talk"..he siad there was no nonsense talk between the two, everything had meaning

Surreal44..by the time of the supreme ordeal..Will can only really be reconciling with one of the major things..the father or the woman. I have never seen it be both in a story....ever.

He stabs the heart meaning he has chosen his father, he is reconciling with him. he is the reward he is seeking and by the end of DMC this is by far the most clear thing ever with his character..He wants to have the pearl to save his father..he has made his choice. It is his father and not elizabeth that is the most important thing to him in AWE and DMC. Trust me Will stabs that darn heart, I know this as a fact.

Jack was the one to reconcile with the woman at the end of DMC after his supreme ordeal..and because he didnt reconcile with the father or the gods here..they will now come raging after him in step 10/11..which is where he will be with AWE..and Yes Davy/tia come after him..as does his father.

thanks that makes sense I've read all the Hero's steps you've wrote and this really fits it all...I looked into wordplayer some more(I came by a few intresting user names I know from here 🙂 like Ericadawn which was cool to see wiff the same user name and Pierce Urlipz from that choke it! thread) and this really triggered my mind:

-- this one is a bit unfair, but the story of Jack imprisoned in human form and then set free is a subtle set up for something in Pirates III.

this was one of terry's reasons as to why the cannibal island serves some importance to the plot..think someone already posted this but thought it was sorta intresting in a way.

I don't get that, that means Jack is a god immprisoned in human form? 😕 i'm confused

NOO LOOK AT MY SIIIGGG..its not jaaacckkk 😄

I'm sorry but I having a retarded moment still don't get it. I like the words but I don't seem to relate them with Jack. Please explain to me 😕 i'm going desperate

The king and his men stole the queen
From her bed and bound her in her
Bones

- this one is a bit unfair, but the story of Jack imprisoned in human form and then set free is a subtle set up for something in Pirates III.

think... Tia is Calypso (sea goddess) trapped in human form, she has a "dramatic departure" - Naomi Harris

The king and his men?? I'll leave peeps to guess that..if you really wanna know PM me