Your welcome, dammit already this match is unbalanced, because of obi wan mace is gonna get his ass handed to him.
They should be more like mace and yoda vs sidious and anakin, Now THATS a real match up
But still in saber combat i see mace stronger than the both of them, i mean come on he kills droids with his bare hands, i can provide a pic if you want me to and a pic to also show how badass mace is at saber
anyways, match is over, winner = palpatine and anakin
thanks to obi wans
So you're saying that even if it was lightside Anakin that Mace would pwn him? Firstly, Mace wouldn't pwn him at all. Hate to tell ya. And destroying droids with your bare hands has NOTHING to do with saber skills. Second, you people are relying too much on Anakin being angry and reckless. He was only like that due to the whole ordeal with Padme, and realizing that he had done too much to go back. He knew what he was doing was wrong, but could do nothing to fix it. (As said in the commentary as it shows him crying on Mustafar, for those who want to try to argue it.) Mace had a type of resentment towards Anakin for all his abilities eclipsing his. The fact that Anakin started at 9 years old (too old according to Mace.), and was ahead of Mace by 24, pissed him off. (GL states that Mace resents Anakin's superior abilities, not word for word, but thats the gist of it.), so Anakin obviously has something Mace doesn't. Don't just assume Mace will run right through Anakin at all. And what Escape was talking about as far as Sidious dominating part of the fight, is that he was pressing the attack on Mace, making him back up. And yes, Mace knocked him down, but Sidious was indeed FAKING being hurt and weak, as confirmed by Lucas. While Yoda is better than Sidious at dueling, I believe it was confirmed that Sidious is 20% more powerful than Yoda...so don't think Yoda would run through him either if he were in the fight. Look at how effortlessly Sidious was throwing pods at Yoda, and when it was Yoda's turn, he had to stop and concentrate very hard just to throw one back at him...
hmm, i thought I heard that somewhere before the movie came out, lol...i want to double check now for the hell of it. lol. And for those of you who are obviously dumb, if someone has a chance to win a fight, then there is absolutely NO way that you can outright state that Mace WILL win. Thats a contradiction upon itself. Great argument.
Not to forget in AOTC anakin was recklass. And i have read somewhere i cant remember where but it said "anakin was one of the greatest lightsaber duelist in the jedi order, secondl only to mace and yoda"
Secondly, anakin would not to how to contend with vaapad, he has never fought some 1 who has mastered vaapad before and thus i doubt he knows of shatterpoint
I never said Sidious faked the loss. But Lucas confirmed on the RotS commentary that Sidious pretended to be weak when he gave up the lightning assault.
Meaning, Sidious - from an extremely pathetic position, and being blasted in the face - still had more Force energies and reserves and was on the verge of overpowering Mace, despite the fact.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Be clear escape, Sidious FAILED in his initial lightning attempt. After, and ONLY after this fact, did he start pretending.
No.
Watch the scene again, or re-read the novelization (which goes into more detail).
When Windu kicked him, Sidious fell to the floor and scrambled to the windowsill. He was on his ass with Windu towering over him. Palpatine unleashed a barrage of Force lightning - which Windu reflected. He used Vaapad to create a circuit that spat the Force lightning back out to Sidious - striking him in the face.
However (!)
Sidious's pain fed the intensity of the lightning. The sheer force of the energy began to shove Windu's lightsaber back into his face. The novelization goes into such detail that Windu was choking on the ozone of the saber itself.
Lucas confirmed that when Palpatine stopped the lightning assault, he was "pretending to be weak".
Black and white, my friend. Sidious could have kept on going. Yes, he would've been in pain - but that would've done nothing but to feed the intensity of the lightning himself.
Why did he stop?
The answer is simple: his overall objective was to force Anakin's hand against the Jedi.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Look at how effortlessly Sidious was throwing pods at Yoda, and when it was Yoda's turn, he had to stop and concentrate very hard just to throw one back at him...
You do realize that it would be harder to project something upwards rather than downwards, right? Even with a slope.
For example, it's much easier to lift a washer and toss it down a hill than it is for the person at the bottom to firstly catch it and throw it back up with probably as much speed as the person who initially tossed the washer down. This is the easiest explanation I could come up with without resorting to all that speed/velocity/acceleration/etc bullshit, lol.
Basically, it would be similar in principle to peddling a bicycle downhill versus uphill. It requires far more energy to do what Yoda did than what Sidious had done, so I wouldn't necessarily make this as a "point".
Originally posted by kamikz
Wait, what stops Sidious from taking Mace out with the force? It is the small room huh? Kinda makes it into a saber battle? Unless people think Mace can actually beat Sidious in a straight out fight.......
Well, the Vapaad probably moves so fast that Sidious won't really have time to access the Force against Mace. Saw how they did it in ROTS? Huh? Huh? winknudge
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Well Yoda is higher than Mace, and Sidious is what, 20% higher than Yoda...so yea Sidious is stronger than Mace in the force. While I agree that MAce beast Sidious in ROTS, i sincerely believe that Mace wouldn't beat him most of the time. Different circumstances, different outcome. I think that just had to play out like that and so it did.
Where do we get these precentages? Isn't it just enough to say that Yoda is obviously stronger in the Force than Mace, and Sidious beat Yoda?